NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #6

[Tule]

It isn't intended to be indestructible. It's intended to survive long enough to take out several enemy tanks before it gets knocked out.

Unless you're fighting Iraq, in 1991, you won't be able to achieve this.

Many people here really overestimate the importance of Military equipment.

Iraq is an excellent example. Yes, western forces did have better equipment than the Iraqis.
Western Forces also outnumbered the Iraqi Forces, they were more disciplined, they had better battlefield awareness and were better commanded.

You don't win a decisive victory like that unless you have every advantage.

The Iraqi army's main problem has always been the same: It's made up of Hummus-eating surrender monkeys with little sense of national pride (And I don't blame them tbh.)

[Gallia-]

Give me examples, other than prototypes and things that were used on very small-scale?

How about my number #1 favorite. Selling commissions. A big thing in most European armies for a very long time.
And yes, they knew full well it was a bad thing and produced bad results.

Yeah, like beating Napoleon and saving the continent from universal tyranny.

[Spirit of Hope]

How about my number #1 favorite. Selling commissions. A big thing in most European armies for a very long time.
And yes, they knew full well it was a bad thing and produced bad results.

Yeah, like beating Napoleon and saving the continent from universal tyranny.

And Charging cavalry through narrow gully at heavy guns with supporting infantry. Sometimes the commanders were good, sometimes they weren't, certainly they got more bad commanders because they could (and would) just buy them selves a commission instead of getting promoted based on experience.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Heavy artillery is, unsurprisingly, heavy.

Lighter guns are much more suitable for use in remote areas because they are easier to move.

And 'dictator' is a lame, overused excuse.

Unsurprisingly, I didn't really think about how heavy heavy artillery would be and how much of a pain it would be to move around in the jungle

I'm just on a fucking roll tonight -_-

I'm aware. I said dictator encase someone said something about civilian casualties

Railway guns, welcome to the jungle, big bertha.

[Korouse]

Yeah, like beating Napoleon and saving the continent from universal tyranny.

And Charging cavalry through narrow gully at heavy guns with supporting infantry. Sometimes the commanders were good, sometimes they weren't, certainly they got more bad commanders because they could (and would) just buy them selves a commission instead of getting promoted based on experience.

And then there were Americans with their fucking tanks rolling everywhere destroying stuff and their goddamn "Patton" or whatever putting machine guns on cars and destroying rebels n shit.

[Doppio Giudici]

Give me examples, other than prototypes and things that were used on very small-scale?

How about my number #1 favorite. Selling commissions. A big thing in most European armies for a very long time.
And yes, they knew full well it was a bad thing and produced bad results.

Selling what?

[Purpelia]

How about my number #1 favorite. Selling commissions. A big thing in most European armies for a very long time.
And yes, they knew full well it was a bad thing and produced bad results.

Selling what?

Officers commissions. For the better part of the history of western professional armies you could just dish out a bag of gold and get your self any rank you wanted. Assuming of course you were of the right origin.

[Korouse]

Selling what?

Officers commissions. For the better part of the history of western professional armies you could just dish out a bag of gold and get your self any rank you wanted. Assuming of course you were of the right origin.

Would've been better if you could only buy your own equipment if you wanted to be say, an officer without any real experience.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

Give me examples, other than prototypes and things that were used on very small-scale?

How about my number #1 favorite. Selling commissions. A big thing in most European armies for a very long time.
And yes, they knew full well it was a bad thing and produced bad results.

Stalin purging his officer corps, the idea of infantry tanks and cavalry tanks, German heavy tanks, most notably the Tiger II.

[Radictistan]

Yeah, like beating Napoleon and saving the continent from universal tyranny.

And Charging cavalry through narrow gully at heavy guns with supporting infantry. Sometimes the commanders were good, sometimes they weren't, certainly they got more bad commanders because they could (and would) just buy them selves a commission instead of getting promoted based on experience.

The Charge of the Light Brigade was due to communications error. Non-purchasee officers could have easily made the same screwup.

[Primordial Luxa]

Quick I need a list of the most destructive chemical and biological weapons!
I already have a big list but I want to make sure i'm not missing anything.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

Quick I need a list of the most destructive chemical and biological weapons!
I already have a big list but I want to make sure i'm not missing anything.

AIDS. Fire a missile filled with hypodermic needles which breaks open mid air.

[Spirit of Hope]

And Charging cavalry through narrow gully at heavy guns with supporting infantry. Sometimes the commanders were good, sometimes they weren't, certainly they got more bad commanders because they could (and would) just buy them selves a commission instead of getting promoted based on experience.

The Charge of the Light Brigade was due to communications error. Non-purchasee officers could have easily made the same screwup.

The animosity between the commanding officers was a big part of why the miscommunication happened. That animosity probably wouldn't have existed, or more likely wouldn't have produced those results, if they had been professional soldiers with training and experience.

The Crimean War (and Napoleonic War to a lesser extent) is filled with mistakes and problems created by inexperience and lack of training for the officers.

[Glorious ReBublic of Alevstan]

Quick I need a list of the most destructive chemical and biological weapons!
I already have a big list but I want to make sure i'm not missing anything.

AIDS. Fire a missile filled with hypodermic needles which breaks open mid air.

Hmm. I wonder if anyone has actually done that, or something similar. (NS or RL.)

[Primordial Luxa]

AIDS. Fire a missile filled with hypodermic needles which breaks open mid air.

Hmm. I wonder if anyone has actually done that, or something similar. (NS or RL.)

Ive heard of Aids infected criminals spitting in officers mouths and killing them that way.

[Korouse]

AIDS. Fire a missile filled with hypodermic needles which breaks open mid air.

Hmm. I wonder if anyone has actually done that, or something similar. (NS or RL.)

Nobody has done it, ever, because they're not sick assholes.

[United Earthlings]

I'm looking around for new strike/bomber aircraft and I've got a couple candidates that I'd like some thoughts on:

Su-34?
Xian JH-7?

Padnak has very close relations with both China and Russia so acquisition wouldn't be the problem, I'm just wondering what people think of the two aircraft and which would be better?

I'm looking for a long range strike aircraft capable of carrying a wide range of weapons, including AShMs

Besides those two options and the Su-24 mentioned, have you looked into the Tu-22M Backfires, especially the upgraded versions? Russia even tried to gain export customers for them, so this should fit nicely into your nation's narrative.

[EsToVnIa]

Quick I need a list of the most destructive chemical and biological weapons!
I already have a big list but I want to make sure i'm not missing anything.

AIDS. Fire a missile filled with hypodermic needles which breaks open mid air.

HIV would be more effective

[Korouse]

Seriously guys...

If you fire AIDS infected missiles I'm kicking your ass.

[Radictistan]

I'm not defending the British officer corps of that era, just being pedantic. Patton and Bradley were professionals but it didn't make them BFFs.

[EsToVnIa]

Seriously guys...

If you fire AIDS infected missiles I'm kicking your ass.

ooo tough guy :S

I'll continue working on the HIV Infected missile then :3

[Glorious ReBublic of Alevstan]

Seriously guys...

If you fire AIDS infected missiles I'm kicking your ass.

ooo tough guy :S

I'll continue working on the HIV Infected missile then :3

That will probably get very negative reception from the RP world.

[Padnak]

Besides those two options and the Su-24 mentioned, have you looked into the Tu-22M Backfires, especially the upgraded versions? Russia even tried to gain export customers for them, so this should fit nicely into your nation's narrative.[/quote]

By goly!

I didn't know the russians tried to export the backfire! I'll be getting my hands on a squadron asap

ooo tough guy :S

I'll continue working on the HIV Infected missile then :3

AIDS infected F-111C is better

[Korouse]

Seriously guys...

If you fire AIDS infected missiles I'm kicking your ass.

ooo tough guy :S

I'll continue working on the HIV Infected missile then :3

I shall personally reverse break the fourth wall and kick your leader's ass and crucify him.

[Organized States]

I'm looking around for new strike/bomber aircraft and I've got a couple candidates that I'd like some thoughts on:

Su-34?
Xian JH-7?

Padnak has very close relations with both China and Russia so acquisition wouldn't be the problem, I'm just wondering what people think of the two aircraft and which would be better?

I'm looking for a long range strike aircraft capable of carrying a wide range of weapons, including AShMs
(If someone says F-111C, I'll smash your teeth in)

J-31, if you're looking for something fancy.