NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #6

[Purpelia]

90 kph...

130mm Autoloader...

You fuckin' kiddin' me?

I can see how the speed could be considered objectionable, given that it is basically 20km/h higher than modern tanks. But what is wrong with his choice of using an autoloader for the main gun? A 13cm piece would certainly benefit greatly from one.

[Licana]

90 kph...

130mm Autoloader...

You fuckin' kiddin' me?

bc these are totally outlandish things that have never been done irl.

I will say this re Vancon, though, most modern tanks are limited to around 70 km/h, and track wear has a lot to do with this. Sure, your tank may be able to get up to 90 km/h, but that may not be something you want it to do.

[Padnak]

What sort of engine is it rocking?

[Vancon]

90 kph...

130mm Autoloader...

You fuckin' kiddin' me?

bc these are totally outlandish things that have never been done irl.

I will say this re Vancon, though, most modern tanks are limited to around 70 km/h, and track wear has a lot to do with this. Sure, your tank may be able to get up to 90 km/h, but that may not be something you want it to do.

Ya, I couldn't of said it better. I believe that "max speed" should always be the most possible. Standard would be 70 kph.

[Vancon]

What sort of engine is it rocking?

Didn't get that far yet.

Still trying to give everything Armor, as the main reason why it is here. I want some armor numbers that this thing, a leo 2 clone, would have.

[Padnak]

I asked this last page and I'm still wondering:

Thoughts on the 180mm S-23? I'm weighing my options when it comes to stupid huge artillery pieces and I think a 180mm armed SPG could be done and may be effective.

Just looking for alternate, non pion, ways of creating a big gun SPG

[Purpelia]

Ya, I couldn't of said it better. I believe that "max speed" should always be the most possible. Standard would be 70 kph.

I think Maximum Speed should denote the maximum speed that your vehicle can reach and sustain safely. After all, your tank can probably reach the speed of sound if you drop it from a high enough mountain. But you would not list that either.

[Vancon]

Ya, I couldn't of said it better. I believe that "max speed" should always be the most possible. Standard would be 70 kph.

I think Maximum Speed should denote the maximum speed that your vehicle can reach and sustain safely. After all, your tank can probably reach the speed of sound if you drop it from a high enough mountain. But you would not list that either.

Why you'd do this is beyond me, but hey.

[Korva]

I asked this last page and I'm still wondering:

Thoughts on the 180mm S-23? I'm weighing my options when it comes to stupid huge artillery pieces and I think a 180mm armed SPG could be done and may be effective.

Just looking for alternate, non pion, ways of creating a big gun SPG

Why does your nation need so much heavy artillery (rocket and otherwise)?

Are your rebels dug into massive cave complexes or fortresses?

I just ask because it seems like, thematically, your nation wouldn't really have all that much need for such firepower, dictator's whims aside.

[Purpelia]

I think Maximum Speed should denote the maximum speed that your vehicle can reach and sustain safely. After all, your tank can probably reach the speed of sound if you drop it from a high enough mountain. But you would not list that either.

Why you'd do this is beyond me, but hey.

To make a point about false advertising.

[Vancon]

Why you'd do this is beyond me, but hey.

To make a point about false advertising.

So my max speed should always be Mach 2.7

[Purpelia]

To make a point about false advertising.

So my max speed should always be Mach 2.7

Do not make me fetch the Ymir.

[Vancon]

So my max speed should always be Mach 2.7

Do not make me fetch the Ymir.

Time for mach 2.8

[Korva]

Ya, I couldn't of said it better. I believe that "max speed" should always be the most possible. Standard would be 70 kph.

I think Maximum Speed should denote the maximum speed that your vehicle can reach and sustain safely. After all, your tank can probably reach the speed of sound if you drop it from a high enough mountain. But you would not list that either.

Terminal velocity for a Leopard 2 is about half the speed of sound.

[Padnak]

Why does your nation need so much heavy artillery (rocket and otherwise)?
Are your rebels dug into massive cave complexes or fortresses?
I just ask because it seems like, thematically, your nation wouldn't really have all that much need for such firepower, dictator's whims aside.

From what I've gathered studying US strategy in Vietnam (among other conflicts that took place in jungles), having lots and lots of heavy firepower is very useful for a verity of reasons. The main reason being that in jungle combat is often very hard to exactly pinpoint an enemy position, so simply lobbing more explosives at it is a good way of increasing the likelihood that you're damaging the target. Another reason, one that I've deduced myself so it may be stupid, is that heavy artillery often has far longer ranges then lighter artillery so when trying to establish a protected firing base in the jungle its better to have long ranged artillery that doesn't force you to uproot the firebase every time you make a small advance (the main way you grain ground in the jungle due to logistics issues when rapidly advancing in thick jungle)

In regards to why I have so much heavy artillery, I actually don't lol. I'm currios about a wide range of heavy weapons and Padnak uses a wide range of heavy weapons, just not in large numbers.

Also, dictator.

[Korouse]

Why does your nation need so much heavy artillery (rocket and otherwise)?
Are your rebels dug into massive cave complexes or fortresses?
I just ask because it seems like, thematically, your nation wouldn't really have all that much need for such firepower, dictator's whims aside.

From what I've gathered studying US strategy in Vietnam (among other conflicts that took place in jungles), having lots and lots of heavy firepower is very useful for a verity of reasons. The main reason being that in jungle combat is often very hard to exactly pinpoint an enemy position, so simply lobbing more explosives at it is a good way of increasing the likelihood that you're damaging the target. Another reason, one that I've deduced myself so it may be stupid, is that heavy artillery often has far longer ranges then lighter artillery so when trying to establish a protected firing base in the jungle its better to have long ranged artillery that doesn't force you to uproot the firebase every time you make a small advance (the main way you grain ground in the jungle due to logistics issues when rapidly advancing in thick jungle)

In regards to why I have so much heavy artillery, I actually don't lol. I'm currios about a wide range of heavy weapons and Padnak uses a wide range of heavy weapons, just not in large numbers.

Also, dictator.

The U.S. stopped lobbing heavy artillery over into jungles because it was burning the jungles and killing civilians.

Probably some other reasons, but that's all I can think of atm.

[Korouse]

bc these are totally outlandish things that have never been done irl.

I will say this re Vancon, though, most modern tanks are limited to around 70 km/h, and track wear has a lot to do with this. Sure, your tank may be able to get up to 90 km/h, but that may not be something you want it to do.

Ya, I couldn't of said it better. I believe that "max speed" should always be the most possible. Standard would be 70 kph.

So basically the speed (to you) is going down a steep road already haulin' ass.

Noep.

[Vancon]

From what I've gathered studying US strategy in Vietnam (among other conflicts that took place in jungles), having lots and lots of heavy firepower is very useful for a verity of reasons. The main reason being that in jungle combat is often very hard to exactly pinpoint an enemy position, so simply lobbing more explosives at it is a good way of increasing the likelihood that you're damaging the target. Another reason, one that I've deduced myself so it may be stupid, is that heavy artillery often has far longer ranges then lighter artillery so when trying to establish a protected firing base in the jungle its better to have long ranged artillery that doesn't force you to uproot the firebase every time you make a small advance (the main way you grain ground in the jungle due to logistics issues when rapidly advancing in thick jungle)

In regards to why I have so much heavy artillery, I actually don't lol. I'm currios about a wide range of heavy weapons and Padnak uses a wide range of heavy weapons, just not in large numbers.

Also, dictator.

The U.S. stopped lobbing heavy artillery over into jungles because it was burning the jungles and killing civilians.

Probably some other reasons, but that's all I can think of atm.

You might've missed something.

[Korouse]

The U.S. stopped lobbing heavy artillery over into jungles because it was burning the jungles and killing civilians.

Probably some other reasons, but that's all I can think of atm.

You might've missed something.

What?

[The Kievan People]

Heavy artillery is, unsurprisingly, heavy.

Lighter guns are much more suitable for use in remote areas because they are easier to move.

And 'dictator' is a lame, overused excuse.

[EsToVnIa]

And 'dictator' is a lame, overused excuse.

But without DICTATOR who would buy SUPERAWESOMEMILITARIZEDBAGGER!?

btw are you still colonizing me in TF :3

[Padnak]

Heavy artillery is, unsurprisingly, heavy.

Lighter guns are much more suitable for use in remote areas because they are easier to move.

And 'dictator' is a lame, overused excuse.

Unsurprisingly, I didn't really think about how heavy heavy artillery would be and how much of a pain it would be to move around in the jungle

I'm just on a fucking roll tonight -_-

I'm aware. I said dictator encase someone said something about civilian casualties

[Padnak]

But without DICTATOR who would buy SUPERAWESOMEMILITARIZEDBAGGER!?

btw are you still colonizing me in TF :3

can we just put the bloody mil-bagger out to pasture

[EsToVnIa]

But without DICTATOR who would buy SUPERAWESOMEMILITARIZEDBAGGER!?

btw are you still colonizing me in TF :3

can we just put the bloody mil-bagger out to pasture

Only until everybody agrees F-111C is better

[Padnak]

Only until everybody agrees F-111C is better

Its the best aircraft to ever fly the skies

until it gets slaughtered by an S-300 battery