NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #6

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

I just found out that the AK-130 has a range of around 75km

Somehow I really doubt that

[Padnak]

I just found out that the AK-130 has a range of around 75km

Somehow I really doubt that

its what navyweaps said, so take that as you will-

I'm looking for other sources, and so far I'm getting 75km repeated, although this could be a case of one site taking it info from another and it spreading out like that.

(So far I've looked at the fallowing)
http://www.deagel.com/Weapon-Stations/A ... 63001.aspx
http://www.military.com/video/guns/nava ... 409849001/
http://www.kbarsenal.ru/eng/ak-130.php

Although this one is saying 29,000 meters

[Padnak]

The two are massively different roles. If you want to use it for coastal defense you pretty much need a huge vehicle and integrated combat system like that Russian thing. If you want regular heavy artillery you can do it the way you want. But given the low caliber (as in not something where each shot is worth its weight like 200mm+) you will still want to have at least a rotating turret and proper aiming systems.

Just did a bit of quick research into the shell sizes/power of each shell and surprisingly the 130mm option is allot meatier then the 203 if my sources are to be believed. The 130mm gun fires a shell that weights 190 pounds total and has a 73.6 pound HE projectile, while the 203 has an HE-FRAG (only HE shell I can get reliable data on) shell that weights around 240 pounds with a 39 pound HE-FRAG projectile

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussi ... _ak130.htm
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/2s7_pion.htm

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[Korva]

Somehow I really doubt that

its what navyweaps said, so take that as you will-

I'm looking for other sources, and so far I'm getting 75km repeated, although this could be a case of one site taking it info from another and it spreading out like that.

Seems it is based off the M-46 artillery gun, which has a range more around 20-30km.

[Imperializt Russia]

I just found out that the AK-130 has a range of around 75km

Somehow I really doubt that

It's a naval gun, it's either got a ludicrously heavy charge or base-bleed/RAP munitions.
The 130mm land artillery guns, had ranges of 27km without RAP and 34km with.

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussi ... _ak130.htm
Navweaps.com here, though, agrees with the M-46's range figures, a maximum possible range of twenty-something kilometres (23).

[Padnak]

Seems it is based off the M-46 artillery gun, which has a range more around 20-30km.

Had the feeling

the 75km figure could be for some sort of rocket assisted round but that seems a bit far even for that

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

Just did a bit of quick research into the shell sizes/power of each shell and surprisingly the 130mm option is allot meatier then the 203 if my sources are to be believed. The 130mm gun fires a shell that weights 190 pounds total and has a 73.6 pound HE projectile, while the 203 has an HE-FRAG (only HE shell I can get reliable data on) shell that weights around 240 pounds with a 39 pound HE-FRAG projectile

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussi ... _ak130.htm
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/2s7_pion.htm

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Max Ballistic Range 25,150 yards (23,000 m)
23 km =/= 72 km
What the fuck are you smoking?
The 72 km part reads

The mountings are controlled by MP-184 Fire Control Radar Systems, which include a 2-band radar, low light TV, laser designator, system for selecting moving targets and an ESM system.
Which seems to mean that the radar or FCS or whatever has a 72 km range

[Purpelia]

Just did a bit of quick research into the shell sizes/power of each shell and surprisingly the 130mm option is allot meatier then the 203 if my sources are to be believed. The 130mm gun fires a shell that weights 190 pounds total and has a 73.6 pound HE projectile, while the 203 has an HE-FRAG (only HE shell I can get reliable data on) shell that weights around 240 pounds with a 39 pound HE-FRAG projectile

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussi ... _ak130.htm
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/2s7_pion.htm

I think you have something mixed up there. Here is the complete table: link

[Radictistan]

Speaking of big guns, so what is the point of the 2S4? I see something that's too big to hide and not long-ranged enough long-ranged enough to stay out of reach.

[Purpelia]

Speaking of big guns, so what is the point of the 2S4? I see something that's too big to hide and not long-ranged enough long-ranged enough to stay out of reach.

The 2S4 is easily small enough to hide it where ever you want to. The whole thing is no larger than a tank. And it's useful for when you really need to blow something up that 155mm just won't do.

[Padnak]

I dun goofed

Speaking of big guns, so what is the point of the 2S4? I see something that's too big to hide and not long-ranged enough long-ranged enough to stay out of reach.

To drop fucking huge shells on unsuspecting hostile forces.

Mainly for nuclear and chemical shells I would think-

[Imperializt Russia]

Speaking of big guns, so what is the point of the 2S4? I see something that's too big to hide and not long-ranged enough long-ranged enough to stay out of reach.

The Tyulpan is for when something needs the absolute shit blowing out of it, or for when high-altitude fire, say to clear terrain obstacles, is required.
It can also be used to deliver chemical and nuclear shells quite well.

[Padnak]

well, I've just made myself look like a giant idiot

[Purpelia]

Speaking of big guns, so what is the point of the 2S4? I see something that's too big to hide and not long-ranged enough long-ranged enough to stay out of reach.

The Tyulpan is for when something needs the absolute shit blowing out of it, or for when high-altitude fire, say to clear terrain obstacles, is required.
It can also be used to deliver chemical and nuclear shells quite well.

There is just something to be said about having close in atomic weapon support.

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

well, I've just made myself look like a giant idiot

That would imply that you didn't before, you are just keeping up appearances.

[Padnak]

well, I've just made myself look like a giant idiot

That would imply that you didn't before, you are just keeping up appearances.

[Korva]

Isn't this borderline flaming?

[Korouse]

Isn't this borderline flaming?

What is?

[Padnak]

Hopefully we can leave the Padbashing till later, currently I have the need to mount giant guns on T-55 chassis and while my momentary ineptitude was a setback, I must press onward

Has the 180mm S-23 ever produced any good results? I've looked around for anything talking about its combat performance and I haven't found anything although given the period it was adopted and a number of references saying an example was captured in the middle east I have to assume it's seen combat-

[Radictistan]

Okay I stepped right into that one.

[Korouse]

Coincidence.

more likely did not do the research.

I mean imagine even thinking about using tactical bombers without fully researching the great TSR2 betrayal. Next you'll be telling me you decided to use a local version of the chinook without buying David Gibbings' Rotodyne book!

In short it fine to say "oops didn't know about that!"

I never actually knew it existed. I just replace k with c in most of my weapons if I can't think of a name. so F-111K came to mind just to piss off Padnak <3

[Zeinbrad]

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/cpkeyes/Phalanx_zps5aab5e8a.png~original

So I tried to make the ToE of a Phalanx-Class Frigate.

I think I need more security......

[Vancon]

Helix MBT
-3 Crew (Driver, Gunner, Commander)
-L50 130mm 32 Round Autoloader
-60 Tons
-2x5 Smoke Launchers
-APS
-.50 cal HMG
-90 kph max
-8m Long, 4m Wide, 2.5m Tall
-Assorted Supplies[/box]

It's my homemade Leopard 2 clone.

I need some armor values for it please and thank you.

[Korouse]

(Image)

Helix MBT
-3 Crew (Driver, Gunner, Commander)
-L50 130mm 32 Round Autoloader
-60 Tons
-2x5 Smoke Launchers
-APS
-.50 cal HMG
-90 kph max
-8m Long, 4m Wide, 2.5m Tall
-Assorted Supplies[/box]

It's my homemade Leopard 2 clone.

I need some armor values for it please and thank you.

90 kph...

130mm Autoloader...

You fuckin' kiddin' me?

[Vancon]

(Image)

Helix MBT
-3 Crew (Driver, Gunner, Commander)
-L50 130mm 32 Round Autoloader
-60 Tons
-2x5 Smoke Launchers
-APS
-.50 cal HMG
-90 kph max
-8m Long, 4m Wide, 2.5m Tall
-Assorted Supplies[/box]

It's my homemade Leopard 2 clone.

I need some armor values for it please and thank you.

90 kph...

130mm Autoloader...

You fuckin' kiddin' me?

HAHAHA.... Yes. this is the forth version of this vehicle that was made via the assistance of the whole Ground Vehicles and Mil realism forums.
This is normal

130mm? Better then average. Just slightly better
Autoloader? Most modern tanks do have one, since loading is a wast of a potential soldier.
90 Kph? Again, most modern tanks.