NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #6

[Zeinbrad]

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/cpkeyes/Claymorefleet_zps52837f47.png

The Claymore is the most important ship in the GDF navy during the Gaian-Ragon War. Along it's sister ship-Halberd.

Think it has adequate support?

[Auroya]

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/cpkeyes/Claymorefleet_zps52837f47.png

The Claymore is the most important ship in the GDF navy during the Gaian-Ragon War. Along it's sister ship-Halberd.

Think it has adequate support?

You drew those ships?

[Zeinbrad]

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/cpkeyes/Claymorefleet_zps52837f47.png

The Claymore is the most important ship in the GDF navy during the Gaian-Ragon War. Along it's sister ship-Halberd.

Think it has adequate support?

You drew those ships?

Notice the credits. So no, I did not. I'm not able to draw ships that size yet.

[Vancon]

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/cpkeyes/Claymorefleet_zps52837f47.png

The Claymore is the most important ship in the GDF navy during the Gaian-Ragon War. Along it's sister ship-Halberd.

Think it has adequate support?

You drew those ships?

He didn't. Also, I've got a picture with more of them.

http://images.wikia.com/halofanon/images/a/a6/UNSC_Ships2.jpg

[Auroya]

You drew those ships?

He didn't. Also, I've got a picture with more of them.

http://images.wikia.com/halofanon/images/a/a6/UNSC_Ships2.jpg

Ah, I see.

[Zeinbrad]

You drew those ships?

He didn't. Also, I've got a picture with more of them.

http://images.wikia.com/halofanon/images/a/a6/UNSC_Ships2.jpg

Soon. Through. I will be able to draw ships.

For now, this will do.

[Vancon]

He didn't. Also, I've got a picture with more of them.

http://images.wikia.com/halofanon/images/a/a6/UNSC_Ships2.jpg

Soon. Through. I will be able to draw ships.

For now, this will do.

No problem

[Primordial Luxa]

Greetings i'm working on some soft MT Chemical and Biological weapons.
I already use a variety of chemical and biological agents but I want some that are unique to my nation.
I'm curious if any of them seem feasible or realistic.
All comments are useful.

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o The Tune is a Biological agent that upon contact with the skin or inhalation causes the nerves to begin firing randomly leading to cramps, intense pain, crippling pleasure and other strange sensations. It is incredibly difficult to get out of the body once present and it will go into remission shortly after the initial infection before randomly flaring up later. If not treated with blood transfusions and antidotes properly or if vast qualities are ingested rapidly it can cause severe brain and spinal damage.
o World Warper is a deforestation chemical agent that rapidly eats through weak biological matter turning it into a tar like paste. Acting like a powerful acid this substance can render trees and other foliage into a dark and moldy sludge in only a few hours. When used on humans it causes deep skin damage and blood poisoning but is usually not fatal if properly treated. In addition to creating acidic pools where forests used to stand this chemical is also laced with special proteins that help virus grow in the ooze promoting further biological attacks.
o Chemical Crowley is a gaseous compound that causes rapid and powerful rust in weak and unprotected metals. While not effective against most military technology it can be devastating against computers, ammunition, and light aircrafts.
o Black Milk is an insidious biological agent that causes vivid and dangerous hallucinations in anyone that ingests it. It resembles a cocktail of Cocaine, PCP, and LSD that binds to the adrenaline centers of a person’s body. Any high stress events, such as a firefight, will cause the bacteria to spread through the blood stream and be released as sweat, literally coating the victim inside and out with a hallucinogenic compound. Hallucinations are typically nightmarish due to the warlike environment they take place in, normally turning soldiers into scared shambling idiots or raving lunatics that kill indiscriminately. Drugs can suppress the symptoms but if not treated with gene therapy it will cause severe hormone and cardiovascular damage.

[The Kievan People]

Greetings i'm working on some soft MT Chemical and Biological weapons.
I already use a variety of chemical and biological agents but I want some that are unique to my nation.
I'm curious if any of them seem feasible or realistic.
All comments are useful.

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o The Tune is a Biological agent that upon contact with the skin or inhalation causes the nerves to begin firing randomly leading to cramps, intense pain, crippling pleasure and other strange sensations. It is incredibly difficult to get out of the body once present and it will go into remission shortly after the initial infection before randomly flaring up later. If not treated with blood transfusions and antidotes properly or if vast qualities are ingested rapidly it can cause severe brain and spinal damage.
o World Warper is a deforestation chemical agent that rapidly eats through weak biological matter turning it into a tar like paste. Acting like a powerful acid this substance can render trees and other foliage into a dark and moldy sludge in only a few hours. When used on humans it causes deep skin damage and blood poisoning but is usually not fatal if properly treated. In addition to creating acidic pools where forests used to stand this chemical is also laced with special proteins that help virus grow in the ooze promoting further biological attacks.
o Chemical Crowley is a gaseous compound that causes rapid and powerful rust in weak and unprotected metals. While not effective against most military technology it can be devastating against computers, ammunition, and light aircrafts.
o Black Milk is an insidious biological agent that causes vivid and dangerous hallucinations in anyone that ingests it. It resembles a cocktail of Cocaine, PCP, and LSD that binds to the adrenaline centers of a person’s body. Any high stress events, such as a firefight, will cause the bacteria to spread through the blood stream and be released as sweat, literally coating the victim inside and out with a hallucinogenic compound. Hallucinations are typically nightmarish due to the warlike environment they take place in, normally turning soldiers into scared shambling idiots or raving lunatics that kill indiscriminately. Drugs can suppress the symptoms but if not treated with gene therapy it will cause severe hormone and cardiovascular damage.

It's possible. But only if you believe in yourself.

[Crookfur]

Greetings i'm working on some soft MT Chemical and Biological weapons.
I already use a variety of chemical and biological agents but I want some that are unique to my nation.
I'm curious if any of them seem feasible or realistic.
All comments are useful.

---

o The Tune is a Biological agent that upon contact with the skin or inhalation causes the nerves to begin firing randomly leading to cramps, intense pain, crippling pleasure and other strange sensations. It is incredibly difficult to get out of the body once present and it will go into remission shortly after the initial infection before randomly flaring up later. If not treated with blood transfusions and antidotes properly or if vast qualities are ingested rapidly it can cause severe brain and spinal damage.
o World Warper is a deforestation chemical agent that rapidly eats through weak biological matter turning it into a tar like paste. Acting like a powerful acid this substance can render trees and other foliage into a dark and moldy sludge in only a few hours. When used on humans it causes deep skin damage and blood poisoning but is usually not fatal if properly treated. In addition to creating acidic pools where forests used to stand this chemical is also laced with special proteins that help virus grow in the ooze promoting further biological attacks.
o Chemical Crowley is a gaseous compound that causes rapid and powerful rust in weak and unprotected metals. While not effective against most military technology it can be devastating against computers, ammunition, and light aircrafts.
o Black Milk is an insidious biological agent that causes vivid and dangerous hallucinations in anyone that ingests it. It resembles a cocktail of Cocaine, PCP, and LSD that binds to the adrenaline centers of a person’s body. Any high stress events, such as a firefight, will cause the bacteria to spread through the blood stream and be released as sweat, literally coating the victim inside and out with a hallucinogenic compound. Hallucinations are typically nightmarish due to the warlike environment they take place in, normally turning soldiers into scared shambling idiots or raving lunatics that kill indiscriminately. Drugs can suppress the symptoms but if not treated with gene therapy it will cause severe hormone and cardiovascular damage.

to be brutally honest most of them seem completely implausible well apart from the first bit of the last one which was the plot of a CSI episode. On the rusting thing a catalyst that accelerates oxidation reactions might be theoretically possible but probably already exists and is unlikely to be as dramatic as you want. The tree meter could perhaps work if you had something that attacked starch and reduced plant cells to a big pile of sugars. Again such things exist and they absolutely aren't capable of acting like you intend. These aren't awful ideas but you'll need to put a lot more reading into chemical and biological processes to make them sound even remotely plausible.

[The Kievan People]

A scouting helicopter, for all the ragging we do on it, could certainly find great use for a significant RCS reduction. Arguably, even attack helicopters could be. Cover through treetops are, radar-directed gunnery is probably still a significant threat to them.

It is and this is true.

If we were to rank helicopter signatures by importance, I would argue:
1. Acoustic (non line of sight!)
2. Infrared (day/night)
3. Radar (all weather and illumination conditions)
4. Visible*

*Visible signature is of low importance because visibility drops dramatically every day.

[Padnak]

Right, this is probably a dreadful idea, but here goes-

Could you create a self propelled 130 mm/70 (5.1") AK-130? My idea is to take a gun from the AK130 (just the gun, none of the other naval gun auto loading stuff or anything like that), make it manually loaded then mount it on a tracked chassis.0

Could it be done?

I just found out that the AK-130 has a range of around 75km and I think it would be quite the SPG if it could be created

[Purpelia]

Right, this is probably a dreadful idea, but here goes-

Could you create a self propelled 130 mm/70 (5.1") AK-130? My idea is to take a gun from the AK130 (just the gun, none of the other naval gun auto loading stuff or anything like that), make it manually loaded then mount it on a tracked chassis.0

Could it be done?

I just found out that the AK-130 has a range of around 75km and I think it would be quite the SPG if it could be created

So basically something like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/130_mm_coa ... _gun_A-222

[New Vihenia]

It is and this is true.

If we were to rank helicopter signatures by importance, I would argue:
1. Acoustic (non line of sight!)
2. Infrared (day/night)
3. Radar (all weather and illumination conditions)
4. Visible*

*Visible signature is of low importance because visibility drops dramatically every day.

Hmm i'm curious if active noise control program can be some of use.

For C-130

It's been suggested for C-130, but i think it can be used for helicopter too. The thing is of course whether the device to do so can be made light and small enough.

Well and of course..Discard tail rotor.

[Korva]

Right, this is probably a dreadful idea, but here goes-

Could you create a self propelled 130 mm/70 (5.1") AK-130? My idea is to take a gun from the AK130 (just the gun, none of the other naval gun auto loading stuff or anything like that), make it manually loaded then mount it on a tracked chassis.0

Could it be done?

I just found out that the AK-130 has a range of around 75km and I think it would be quite the SPG if it could be created

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/130_mm_coa ... _gun_A-222

ninja'd

[Padnak]

So basically something like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/130_mm_coa ... _gun_A-222

why have I not heard of this before!

[Purpelia]

So basically something like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/130_mm_coa ... _gun_A-222

why have I not heard of this before!

Because you have not asked.

[Padnak]

Now I just need to mount it on a modified T-55 chassis and I'm golden

I'm guessing it can be manually loaded? I'd like to keep this thing as basic as possible-

[Korva]

Now I just need to mount it on a modified T-55 chassis and I'm golden

I'm guessing it can be manually loaded? I'd like to keep this thing as basic as possible-

If you want manually loaded long range artillery that is basic, why not stick to the Pion?

This system is like the opposite of basic.

[Purpelia]

Now I just need to mount it on a modified T-55 chassis and I'm golden

I'm guessing it can be manually loaded? I'd like to keep this thing as basic as possible-

Out of curiosity just what is your intended use for this thing? 1950's mobile artillery?

[Padnak]

If you want manually loaded long range artillery that is basic, why not stick to the Pion?

This system is like the opposite of basic.

Now hows that for an idea lol. I'm just thinking of ways I could have Padnak develop its own stupid long range artillery piece using resources already available to it, in this case Sovremenny class destroyers sent to Padnak to be scrapped in the mid 90s.

I'm mostly interested in the gun itself, given its apparent 75km range-

(I'm probably going to just use Pions and FROG-7s, but the idea of using a naval gun on a land vehicle intrigues me)

[Padnak]

Out of curiosity just what is your intended use for this thing? 1950's mobile artillery?

Modern day Padnaki division level heavy artillery/ coastal defence

[Primordial Luxa]

Greetings i'm working on some soft MT Chemical and Biological weapons.
I already use a variety of chemical and biological agents but I want some that are unique to my nation.
I'm curious if any of them seem feasible or realistic.
All comments are useful.

---

o The Tune is a Biological agent that upon contact with the skin or inhalation causes the nerves to begin firing randomly leading to cramps, intense pain, crippling pleasure and other strange sensations. It is incredibly difficult to get out of the body once present and it will go into remission shortly after the initial infection before randomly flaring up later. If not treated with blood transfusions and antidotes properly or if vast qualities are ingested rapidly it can cause severe brain and spinal damage.
o World Warper is a deforestation chemical agent that rapidly eats through weak biological matter turning it into a tar like paste. Acting like a powerful acid this substance can render trees and other foliage into a dark and moldy sludge in only a few hours. When used on humans it causes deep skin damage and blood poisoning but is usually not fatal if properly treated. In addition to creating acidic pools where forests used to stand this chemical is also laced with special proteins that help virus grow in the ooze promoting further biological attacks.
o Chemical Crowley is a gaseous compound that causes rapid and powerful rust in weak and unprotected metals. While not effective against most military technology it can be devastating against computers, ammunition, and light aircrafts.
o Black Milk is an insidious biological agent that causes vivid and dangerous hallucinations in anyone that ingests it. It resembles a cocktail of Cocaine, PCP, and LSD that binds to the adrenaline centers of a person’s body. Any high stress events, such as a firefight, will cause the bacteria to spread through the blood stream and be released as sweat, literally coating the victim inside and out with a hallucinogenic compound. Hallucinations are typically nightmarish due to the warlike environment they take place in, normally turning soldiers into scared shambling idiots or raving lunatics that kill indiscriminately. Drugs can suppress the symptoms but if not treated with gene therapy it will cause severe hormone and cardiovascular damage.

to be brutally honest most of them seem completely implausible well apart from the first bit of the last one which was the plot of a CSI episode. On the rusting thing a catalyst that accelerates oxidation reactions might be theoretically possible but probably already exists and is unlikely to be as dramatic as you want. The tree meter could perhaps work if you had something that attacked starch and reduced plant cells to a big pile of sugars. Again such things exist and they absolutely aren't capable of acting like you intend. These aren't awful ideas but you'll need to put a lot more reading into chemical and biological processes to make them sound even remotely plausible.

Alright thanks for the bluntness.

[Purpelia]

Out of curiosity just what is your intended use for this thing? 1950's mobile artillery?

Modern day Padnaki division level heavy artillery/ coastal defence

The two are massively different roles. If you want to use it for coastal defense you pretty much need a huge vehicle and integrated combat system like that Russian thing. If you want regular heavy artillery you can do it the way you want. But given the low caliber (as in not something where each shot is worth its weight like 200mm+) you will still want to have at least a rotating turret and proper aiming systems.

[Padnak]

The two are massively different roles. If you want to use it for coastal defense you pretty much need a huge vehicle and integrated combat system like that Russian thing. If you want regular heavy artillery you can do it the way you want. But given the low caliber (as in not something where each shot is worth its weight like 200mm+) you will still want to have at least a rotating turret and proper aiming systems.

Just did a bit of quick research into the shell sizes/power of each shell and surprisingly the 130mm option is allot meatier then the 203 if my sources are to be believed. The 130mm gun fires a shell that weights 190 pounds total and has a 73.6 pound HE projectile, while the 203 has an HE-FRAG (only HE shell I can get reliable data on) shell that weights around 240 pounds with a 39 pound HE-FRAG projectile

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussi ... _ak130.htm
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/2s7_pion.htm