NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #6

[Korouse]

Overall, using nukes like there's not any actual damage to them but statistical is pretty stupid, and if you use them, it's pretty cowardly.

[Allanea]

That's a stupid way of starting a nuclear war. It is silly.]

You are suggesting using a nuclear weapon in another nation's capital.

If someone launched a nuclear weapon into Allanea's capital, I guarantee you that I would in fact retaliate with nuclear strikes against your nation.

[Korouse]

That's a stupid way of starting a nuclear war. It is silly.]

You are suggesting using a nuclear weapon in another nation's capital.

If someone launched a nuclear weapon into Allanea's capital, I guarantee you that I would in fact retaliate with nuclear strikes against your nation.

That was theoretical.

[Lithuania-Latvia]

Seeing as the two tans have never fought each other I will not say that either is better, and untill then I will consider them equals, as considering their armor thickness is classified, they havecthe same gun, and both serve the same purpose untill you can show me an instance where a leopard has beaten an Abrams in combat irl then I am not continuing that argument, as both tanks have only really seen combat against T55s, T62s and maybe T72s

[Imperializt Russia]

Which I would shoot down over your capital, thus slowly killing your population from fallout. Also, ICBMs aren't viable like that, and if you use them just because I declared one of your companies a (UNOFFICIAL) illegal organization, I will call Godmod.

Plus, how would you like it if I used depleted uranium tank rounds to destroy your puny lil' tanks? You gonna overreact and use nukes?

First of all, I would be using them because you had nuked a structure of high importance, second my nukes are in uninhabited areas any way so fallout wouldn't matter, third my "puny" tanks happen to be M1A2 Abrams, and I would simply return the favour with DU and HEAT rounds, third you would be attacking a company composed of Lithuanian citizens, which is very much an actionable atrocity when the company has done nothing hut sell it's wares outside of your nation, and plus you would be the only nation to make it illegal, thus making it legal anywhere else, meaning you would AGAIN have no right to bomb a building owned by that company since it would be outside of your borders

[Proskoya]

-sigh-
Okay, these little bouts of "I GOT U" and "NO U DIDN" are fun and all, but can we keep this to like a once a month thing? This is irritating.

Anyways, to promote a different discussion ... If my nation has a 1.5 year mandatory male conscription policy, at what rate should conscripts rank up, if at all? I plan on there being a voluntary and conscript force; the volunteers being better equipped and a smaller more maneuverable unit, while conscripts form the larger part of my forces. I do expect commissioned volunteers to lead the conscripts as well as the volunteer force. I would think that the COs get their feet wet while leading conscripts and then are transferred over to command more trained units when they've got some experience.

As far as being an enlisted conscript goes, should they be able to be team leaders towards the end of the conscription?

[Spirit of Hope]

First of all, I would be using them because you had nuked a structure of high importance, second my nukes are in uninhabited areas any way so fallout wouldn't matter, third my "puny" tanks happen to be M1A2 Abrams, and I would simply return the favour with DU and HEAT rounds, third you would be attacking a company composed of Lithuanian citizens, which is very much an actionable atrocity when the company has done nothing hut sell it's wares outside of your nation, and plus you would be the only nation to make it illegal, thus making it legal anywhere else, meaning you would AGAIN have no right to bomb a building owned by that company since it would be outside of your borders

What book is that from and where can I get it?

[Triplebaconation]

This^

Sounds like a failed SRBM.
Scud missile variants had a burn time of 60-90 seconds.

A lot to look like Hiroshima.

I was being incredibly hyperbolic.

I suspect plasma stealth would be a lot more boring than the Star Trek connotations of the name makes it out to be.

[Spirit of Hope]

Sounds like a failed SRBM.
Scud missile variants had a burn time of 60-90 seconds.
I was being incredibly hyperbolic.

I suspect plasma stealth would be a lot more boring than the Star Trek connotations of the name makes it out to be.

Mostly it looks like it reduces RCS but dramatically increases IR signature.

[Paddy O Fernature]

(Image)

What book is that from and where can I get it?

Government fallout projections are widely available on Google, some even in PDF format.

[Korouse]

First of all, I would be using them because you had nuked a structure of high importance, second my nukes are in uninhabited areas any way so fallout wouldn't matter, third my "puny" tanks happen to be M1A2 Abrams, and I would simply return the favour with DU and HEAT rounds, third you would be attacking a company composed of Lithuanian citizens, which is very much an actionable atrocity when the company has done nothing hut sell it's wares outside of your nation, and plus you would be the only nation to make it illegal, thus making it legal anywhere else, meaning you would AGAIN have no right to bomb a building owned by that company since it would be outside of your borders

Looks like someone drew a little doodle on a picture of the U.S.
*Looks closer*
Oh gawd.

[Spirit of Hope]

What book is that from and where can I get it?

Government fallout projections are widely available on Google, some even in PDF format.

I've seen them before, but I would like to know the book for any interesting did bits it might have.

[Lithuania-Latvia]

Well here's why he's considering attacking my factory, because apparently I open up a small BioIndustry company, when there are several much larger companies of the type, I can't make and sell bioweapons
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=308364&p=21360722&sid=fb4fe19ba9ab804f3428e35dda0438c3#p21360722

[Paddy O Fernature]

Government fallout projections are widely available on Google, some even in PDF format.

I've seen them before, but I would like to know the book for any interesting did bits it might have.

I think that one pictured might be this one here.

Though I've seen that picture in several places in the past.

[Triplebaconation]

I suspect plasma stealth would be a lot more boring than the Star Trek connotations of the name makes it out to be.

Mostly it looks like it reduces RCS but dramatically increases IR signature.

The fact that it's been considered for aircraft without radical new propulsion systems makes that unlikely.

[Spirit of Hope]

I've seen them before, but I would like to know the book for any interesting did bits it might have.

I think that one pictured might be this one here.

Though I've seen that picture in several places in the past.

Thanks, now I have to think about weather it is worth it to spend the money.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Well here's why he's considering attacking my factory, because apparently I open up a small BioIndustry company, when there are several much larger companies of the type, I can't make and sell bioweapons
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=308364&p=21360722&sid=fb4fe19ba9ab804f3428e35dda0438c3#p21360722

Has anyone informed you that half your things are physically illogical and the other half real life products that by GE&T standards anyone can produce by themselves?

[Paddy O Fernature]

I think that one pictured might be this one here.

Though I've seen that picture in several places in the past.

Thanks, now I have to think about weather it is worth it to spend the money.

I'd get it confirmed that that indeed is the source in question, before you spend money though. As I'll admit I'm not 100% sure myself that it is.

[Imperializt Russia]

Government fallout projections are widely available on Google, some even in PDF format.

I've seen them before, but I would like to know the book for any interesting did bits it might have.

I've posted that image a few times before.

I've seen them before, but I would like to know the book for any interesting did bits it might have.

I think that one pictured might be this one here.

Though I've seen that picture in several places in the past.

It may be featured in that book, but I took that picture in a copy of Medical Implications of Nuclear War, published 1986 by the National Research Council.
Due to the nature of Medical Implications, it's likely that images within it are reproduced in or from other works.

Vault 10, or Vault X as he's sometimes known, recommended that book to me a couple years ago as a good all-purpose primer.
It's very interesting and covers just about every topic you could wish for, apart from nuclear forces themselves explicitly.

[Paddy O Fernature]

I've seen them before, but I would like to know the book for any interesting did bits it might have.

I've posted that image a few times before.

I think that one pictured might be this one here.

Though I've seen that picture in several places in the past.

It may be featured in that book, but I took that picture in a copy of Medical Implications of Nuclear War, published 1986 by the National Research Council.
Due to the nature of Medical Implications, it's likely that images within it are reproduced in or from other works.

Agree with this, as I've seen that picture before in a couple of different places.

[Spirit of Hope]

Thanks, now I have to think about weather it is worth it to spend the money.

I'd get it confirmed that that indeed is the source in question, before you spend money though. As I'll admit I'm not 100% sure myself that it is.

Its ok, I already made my save vs. spending money, I can't afford to buy it and still buy pizza in college. Pizza wins for now.

[Lithuania-Latvia]

Well here's why he's considering attacking my factory, because apparently I open up a small BioIndustry company, when there are several much larger companies of the type, I can't make and sell bioweapons
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=308364&p=21360722&sid=fb4fe19ba9ab804f3428e35dda0438c3#p21360722

Has anyone informed you that half your things are physically illogical and the other half real life products that by GE&T standards anyone can produce by themselves?

Gee your a big help

[Padnak]

I'm looking around for new strike/bomber aircraft and I've got a couple candidates that I'd like some thoughts on:

Su-34?
Xian JH-7?

Padnak has very close relations with both China and Russia so acquisition wouldn't be the problem, I'm just wondering what people think of the two aircraft and which would be better?

I'm looking for a long range strike aircraft capable of carrying a wide range of weapons, including AShMs
(If someone says F-111C, I'll smash your teeth in)

[Imperializt Russia]

I'd get it confirmed that that indeed is the source in question, before you spend money though. As I'll admit I'm not 100% sure myself that it is.

Its ok, I already made my save vs. spending money, I can't afford to buy it and still buy pizza in college. Pizza wins for now.

Pizza won't tell you how to nukeproof your apartment!

[Korouse]

I'm looking around for new strike/bomber aircraft and I've got a couple candidates that I'd like some thoughts on:

Su-34?
Xian JH-7?

Padnak has very close relations with both China and Russia so acquisition wouldn't be the problem, I'm just wondering what people think of the two aircraft and which would be better?

I'm looking for a long range strike aircraft capable of carrying a wide range of weapons, including AShMs
(If someone says F-111C, I'll smash your teeth in)

F-111K

A Korousean version of the F-111C.