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The Kievan People
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33%
Spirit of Hope
9
7%
Padnak
39
30%
Yukonastan
4
3%
Allanea
16
12%
Soodean Imperium
6
5%
Gallia-
14
11%
 
Total votes : 132

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Oaledonia
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Postby Oaledonia » Mon May 19, 2014 7:40 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Registug wrote:I have a massive backlog on military things, namely the new IFV I was supposed to design

Regi, did I get anything wrong in my summary of things for Icebox above?

Velk > Regi

You're on the wrong side :P
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Blackjack-and-Hookers wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:I'll go make my own genocidal galactic empire! with blackjack and hookers

You bet your ass you will!
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon May 19, 2014 7:45 am

Historical reasons that predate Velkanika's international relevance.
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Registug
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Postby Registug » Mon May 19, 2014 7:52 am

Oaledonia wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Regi, did I get anything wrong in my summary of things for Icebox above?

Velk > Regi

You're on the wrong side :P

Nah cunt we rek evryone
Call me Garshne

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Postby Oaledonia » Mon May 19, 2014 7:58 am

Registug wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:Velk > Regi

You're on the wrong side :P

Nah cunt we rek evryone

Imazu cannot into your canon :c
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Blackjack-and-Hookers wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:I'll go make my own genocidal galactic empire! with blackjack and hookers

You bet your ass you will!
Divair wrote:NSG summer doesn't end anymore. Climate change.
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Registug
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Postby Registug » Mon May 19, 2014 7:59 am

What do you mean? Can't find it?
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Postby Oaledonia » Mon May 19, 2014 8:01 am

Registug wrote:What do you mean? Can't find it?

No dumby I can't RP with you because you don't into FanT.
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Blackjack-and-Hookers wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:I'll go make my own genocidal galactic empire! with blackjack and hookers

You bet your ass you will!
Divair wrote:NSG summer doesn't end anymore. Climate change.
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Postby Immoren » Mon May 19, 2014 8:09 am

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Registug
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Postby Registug » Mon May 19, 2014 8:12 am

Oaledonia wrote:
Registug wrote:What do you mean? Can't find it?

No dumby I can't RP with you because you don't into FanT.

That sounds like a personal problem

MT is always open
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Postby Oaledonia » Mon May 19, 2014 8:14 am

Registug wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:No dumby I can't RP with you because you don't into FanT.

That sounds like a personal problem

MT is always open

No kitsunes? Worst tech then.
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Blackjack-and-Hookers wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:I'll go make my own genocidal galactic empire! with blackjack and hookers

You bet your ass you will!
Divair wrote:NSG summer doesn't end anymore. Climate change.
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Postby The Soodean Imperium » Mon May 19, 2014 8:19 am

Re-posting this on the Military Realism thread for good measure because the Aircraft thread isn't very active these days. Stats courtesy of New Vihenia's fighter range calculator (many thanks, this has been an invaluable asset), but still in need of review. The range strikes me as insanely high, but that's after I adjusted the stats to assume less time spent in combat (given that it's meant as a strike aircraft rather than a fighter). Allowing for more air combat, though, range still seems high...

Su-33JH "Jianhu" Carrier Strike Fighter
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Basic stats:
Crew: 2
Length: 22.3m
Wingspan (extended): 14.7m
Wingspan (folded): 7.4m
Height (gear retracted): 5.93m
Wing area: 64.0m2
Empty weight: 18,800kg
Fuel weight: 9,200kg

Performance:
Powerplant: 2x Al-31FM1 turbofan (135 kN/30,300 lbf each)
Maximum speed: Mach 1.9 (2327 km/h) at 15,000m
Maximum payload: 9,000kg
Maximum strike radius with 9,000kg payload: 1746km
Practical air combat radius with 1,000kg payload: 1327km
Service ceiling: 17,000 m
Thrust/weight ratio: 0.82
Maximum turn: +7g

Armament:
Gun: 1x 30mm GSh-30-1 autocannon, 150 rounds
Hardpoints: 12 total:
Air to Air Missiles:
- R-27R/T/ET/EM
- R-60/M/KM
- R-73
- R-77 (RVV-AE)
Guided Weapons:
- Kh-55 missile family
- Kh-41 (P-270 Moskit)
- Kh-31
- Kh-29
- Kh-59
- P-800 Onix/Yakhont
- KAB-1500
- KAB-500
- KAB-250
- S-25L
Unguided Munitions
- FAB-500
- FAB-250
- S-25
- S-24
- S-13 (x5)
- S-8 (x20)


Overview:
The Su-33JH (Jianhu, or "Heavy Sword") is an indigenous variant of the Su-33 carrier-based fighter, similar in role to the F/A-18E Hornet and similar in appearance to the Su-27KUB. It is employed as a strike aircraft with secondary dogfighting capability, offering greater range, payoad capacity, and payload variety than the Su-33 while maintaining some of the latter aircraft's maneuverability. These aircraft are expected to form the offensive component of the Imperial Soodean Navy's Aviation wings, offering the capability to strike targets over 1,500 kilometers away. As of now, two squadrons of these aircraft serve in the 1st and 2nd Carrier Air Wings.

Design:
The aircraft had its shaky origins in 2005, when the ISN abandoned its attempt to "navalize" the Su-34. Realizing that the Su-34 was too heavy for safe carrier takeoffs and landings, they drew up a requirement for a carrier-based strike aircraft to complement the air-superiority-oriented Su-33. The Jiannei design bureau quickly came forth with an interim "Su-33J," which offered compatibility with a greater variety of guided munitions, but ISN High Command determined that a full-fledged strike aircraft was necessary. The new project specifications required that the final design be able to carry an 8,000-kilogram payload a distance of at least 1,500 kilometers, and that it be compatible with the latest guided air-to-surface weapons in the Soodean arsenal while maintaining high parts similarity with the Su-33J. Rushed by the very short project deadline, the Jiannei bureau responded with a basic airframe based on the Su-27KUB: a twin cockpit with side-by-side seating. They also strengthened the airframe to accommodate the heavier weight on individual hardpoints, modestly enlarged the dorsal fuel tanks, replaced the nose radar with a unit optimized for surface search, and upgraded the engines to the more powerful AL-31F M1 used on the Su-34. When the prototype airframe emerged for testing in 2009, it managed to pass all expectations laid out by High Command, and despite a few remaining design problems it was hastily pressed into service.

Armament:
From the very start, the Su-33JH was designed with the goal of carrying the 3M54AE air-launched anti-shipping missile. When fully loaded, the aircraft can carry three of these, one between the engine nacelles and one under each wing. For land attack, it can carry up to five Kh-55-family cruise missiles, though three is a more typical load. When employing TV-guided bombs, it must be fitted with a guidance link and FLIR on one of the hardpoints, usually under one of the engine intakes.When smaller (250-kg) unguided bombs are carried, they may be packed onto racks to allow more per hardpoint. On all strike missions, the aircraft is fitted with two heat-seeking missiles (R-60 or R-73), and sometimes two additional radar-guided missiles (R-27 or R-77), for self-defense.

Strike and Combat Range:
The design requirements for the program were very ambitious in mandating that the aircraft be able to carry at least 8,000 kilograms of ordnance a distance of at least 1,500 kilometers. While the final design exceeded these figures, able to carry 9,000 kilograms a distance of 1,746 kilometers, this optimistic range can only be achieved under the best of conditions: high altitude throughout the mission, all ordnance dropped in the attack, and very little time spent in combat. When more fuel is allotted to air combat at a lower altitude, then even with a reduced payload the combat radius drops considerably to a lower, but still impressive, distance of 1,327 kilometers.
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Postby Registug » Mon May 19, 2014 8:19 am

Oaledonia wrote:
Registug wrote:That sounds like a personal problem

MT is always open

No kitsunes? Worst tech then.

We do actually have a little bit of leniency for FanT in Sapphire

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Also Ulfreich, Fordorsia, New Tsavon and all of them
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon May 19, 2014 8:26 am

Also wormholes.
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Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
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Postby Zeinbrad » Mon May 19, 2014 9:09 am

Okay during the Zeinbradian Colonial Wars, for COIN aircraft, I think I have come to a decision on how it will progress.

First, the Zeinbradians will use A-37 Dragonfly's, then they buy some FMA IA 58 Pucará's, which slowly replace the A-37's.

Of course, if that's a horrible mistake, I'll use the strikemasters...

Thoughts?
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Postby Questers » Mon May 19, 2014 9:18 am

Zeinbrad wrote:Okay during the Zeinbradian Colonial Wars, for COIN aircraft, I think I have come to a decision on how it will progress.

First, the Zeinbradians will use A-37 Dragonfly's, then they buy some FMA IA 58 Pucará's, which slowly replace the A-37's.

Of course, if that's a horrible mistake, I'll use the strikemasters...

Thoughts?
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Postby Voltrovia » Mon May 19, 2014 9:27 am

Zeinbrad wrote:Okay during the Zeinbradian Colonial Wars, for COIN aircraft, I think I have come to a decision on how it will progress.

First, the Zeinbradians will use A-37 Dragonfly's, then they buy some FMA IA 58 Pucará's, which slowly replace the A-37's.

Of course, if that's a horrible mistake, I'll use the strikemasters...

Thoughts?


Nope, no horrible mistakes, seems fine from here.
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Postby Golheim » Mon May 19, 2014 9:45 am

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Postby Krazeria » Mon May 19, 2014 9:56 am

KoMODO
(Krazerian Military operations Doctrine)

The Krazerian Military uses the vast size of its Tier Two (Army, Navy, Air force)to act as a deterrent and defense against aggression on home territory, while relying on advanced Tier Two forces such as the KNM (Krazrian Naval Marines), KAF (Krazerian Airborne Forces) and KSP (Krazerian Special Forces) to conduct offensive operations abroad with support from the Tier Two forces. Krazeria lacks a large strategic nuclear arsenal to directly deter aggression, so a major emphases is placed on preemptive offensive operations conducted by Tier One forces.


Asses!

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It could always use more missiles!

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Population: 954,000,000 Military: 1,304,900 GDP: 7.9 trillion Tech Level: Modern Tech

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Postby The Kievan People » Mon May 19, 2014 10:08 am



It would be purtier if you offset multiple boxes vertically and horizontally, not just horizontally.
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Postby Oaledonia » Mon May 19, 2014 10:26 am

Hmmmm. How do I deal with a neutral city state which is surrounded by me on all sides? N00kz? I was thinking nookz.
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Blackjack-and-Hookers wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:I'll go make my own genocidal galactic empire! with blackjack and hookers

You bet your ass you will!
Divair wrote:NSG summer doesn't end anymore. Climate change.
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Registug
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Postby Registug » Mon May 19, 2014 10:27 am

Starve them out until they swear allegiance to you as their rightful master.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon May 19, 2014 10:42 am

If they're neutral, what's to deal with?
I'd agree with Garshne, but it didn't happen to West Berlin, try as the Soviets did. Depends if the city-state's allies have the air power to run a supplies operation, and neither you nor them want to fight over them doing that.
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Postby Oaledonia » Mon May 19, 2014 10:44 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:If they're neutral, what's to deal with?
I'd agree with Garshne, but it didn't happen to West Berlin, try as the Soviets did. Depends if the city-state's allies have the air power to run a supplies operation, and neither you nor them want to fight over them doing that.

Well in typical NS fashion they are just pissing me off by existing. But we both share a culture and history, so I don't want to fight him.
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Blackjack-and-Hookers wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:I'll go make my own genocidal galactic empire! with blackjack and hookers

You bet your ass you will!
Divair wrote:NSG summer doesn't end anymore. Climate change.
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Postby Registug » Mon May 19, 2014 10:47 am

DIPLOMATIC PRESSURE AND A NON VIOLENT SIEGE

OALEDONIAN HEGEMONY WILL RULE OVER PUNY CITY
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Postby Romic » Mon May 19, 2014 10:47 am

Oaledonia wrote:Hmmmm. How do I deal with a neutral city state which is surrounded by me on all sides? N00kz? I was thinking nookz.

Biological Warfare. Much safer and easier to contain.
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Postby Voltrovia » Mon May 19, 2014 11:01 am

Oaledonia wrote:Hmmmm. How do I deal with a neutral city state which is surrounded by me on all sides? N00kz? I was thinking nookz.


Threaten them with annihilation and force them into a corner diplomatically. Then offer a goody-laden military-economic treaty that allies them with you and gives you preferential economic and cultural access.

You could always press for union with Oaledonia but that might be a slightly more difficult sell and result in a messy and intractable conflict on your doorstep.

Making it perfectly clear that any resistance would be hilariously one-sided might help your efforts as well.
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