NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #6

[Questers]

Nobody knows for sure.

They have regional miiltary districts and armies like the USSR. However, in the late 90s China massively reduced the number of combat formations and went on a mechanisation drive. IIRC, their divisions are organised still according to the 3-1-1 Soviet model, but I could be wrong about that.

Speaking of that...

Does anyone have any idea how large the PLA was at its largest?

It was the largest employer in the world, ahead of the Indian Railways and the British National Health Service. It's "several million", at least.

[Gallia-]

Anybody know a non-character based military RP that isn't crap?

ftfy

Can anyone explain how China organizes the PLA? I've read the Wiki article, but it's a bit over my head.

Nobody knows for sure.

They have regional miiltary districts and armies like the USSR. However, in the late 90s China massively reduced the number of combat formations and went on a mechanisation drive. IIRC, their divisions are organised still according to the 3-1-1 Soviet model, but I could be wrong about that.

They're still only ~half mechanised with the massive manpower reductions apparently.

[Imperializt Russia]

The NHS recently outstripped the PLA, didn't it?
Or am I imagining past national glories?

[Korouse]

Anybody know a non-character based military RP that isn't crap?

There aren't any.

ermagawd. Do you mean they're all those noobish ones?

[Questers]

I have that huge two part PDF somewhere, I will maybe look it up later if I'm not busy.

[Padnak]

My forces are currently beginning a landing operation on the outskirts of the city of Makassar in Indonesia, and having cleared the naval minefield (which wasn't all that potent given how hastily it was deployed) I'm just beginning the final stages before actually having boots on the shore and I'm wondering: what would be the best way to utilize a force of around 9,000 active duty soldiers, 1500 police officers and 8000+ reservists without access to heavy weapons outside of man-portable stuff like RPGs and MANPADs and some light anti aircraft guns to defend/inflict as much losses as possible against four divisions worth (30,000 troops ish, the divisions are under strength for the landing operation) of troops attacking a city

Trying to play against myself is hard

[Padnak]

It was the largest employer in the world, ahead of the Indian Railways and the British National Health Service. It's "several million", at least.

good god

Its like they were playing RL NS...

[Korouse]

My forces are currently beginning a landing operation on the outskirts of the city of Makassar in Indonesia, and having cleared the naval minefield (which wasn't all that potent given how hastily it was deployed) I'm just beginning the final stages before actually having boots on the shore and I'm wondering: what would be the best way to utilize a force of around 9,000 active duty soldiers, 1500 police officers and 8000+ reservists without access to heavy weapons outside of man-portable stuff like RPGs and MANPADs and some light anti aircraft guns to defend/inflict as much losses as possible against four divisions worth (30,000 troops ish, the divisions are under strength for the landing operation) of troops attacking a city

Trying to play against myself is hard

You magically make your troops incompetent and move your troops to go and slaughter your troops.

[Imperii Magna]

1. Hello Padnak!

2. Does anyone here know how fast a plane might be able to travel in 2025? I already have a reconnaissance plane that goes mach 6, which is definitely possible, but what about even faster?

[San-Silvacian]

why would you possibly need to go mach 6.

You are still getting hit by modern SAM systems.

Also aircraft tend to shit out at anything but going straight once you reach like Mach 2.1+

Wings may rip off at higher speeds, etc.

[Gallia-]

why would you possibly need to go mach 6.

You are still getting hit by modern SAM systems.

Also aircraft tend to shit out at anything but going straight once you reach like Mach 2.1+

Wings may rip off at higher speeds, etc.

1) To evade SAMs.

2) Actually, you're not. Even Mach 3 reduces engagement envelope significantly that slight deviation can make it tough to successfully intercept.

3) SR-71 seemed alright.

4) Then make tougher wings.~

[Padnak]

You magically make your troops incompetent and move your troops to go and slaughter your troops.

I try and strive for something approaching realism

[Imperii Magna]

why would you possibly need to go mach 6.

You are still getting hit by modern SAM systems.

Also aircraft tend to shit out at anything but going straight once you reach like Mach 2.1+

Wings may rip off at higher speeds, etc.

1) To evade SAMs.

2) Actually, you're not. Even Mach 3 reduces engagement envelope significantly that slight deviation can make it tough to successfully intercept.

3) SR-71 seemed alright.

4) Then make tougher wings.~

That's what I was thinking. I mean, it is 2025. I'm mostly basing it off of the under-development SR-72, successor to the blackbird

[Korouse]

You magically make your troops incompetent and move your troops to go and slaughter your troops.

I try and strive for something approaching realism

Ambush their armor. I heard RPGs are great for that.

[Primordial Luxa]

You magically make your troops incompetent and move your troops to go and slaughter your troops.

I try and strive for something approaching realism

Thats all anyone should ever strive for.

[Mitheldalond]

Anybody know a non-character based military RP that isn't crap?

Pretty good so far. We could kind of use a Russia

1) To evade SAMs.

2) Actually, you're not. Even Mach 3 reduces engagement envelope significantly that slight deviation can make it tough to successfully intercept.

3) SR-71 seemed alright.

4) Then make tougher wings.~

That's what I was thinking. I mean, it is 2025. I'm mostly basing it off of the under-development SR-72, successor to the blackbird

Blackbird successor? My interest has been peaked.

[Vancon]

Anybody know a non-character based military RP that isn't crap?

Pretty good so far. We could kind of use a Russia

That's what I was thinking. I mean, it is 2025. I'm mostly basing it off of the under-development SR-72, successor to the blackbird

Blackbird successor? My interest has been peaked.

Totally never came up with an idea like that before. Nope. Never.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Anybody know a non-character based military RP that isn't crap?

Pretty good so far. We could kind of use a Russia

I would love to fill the part of Russia/US/Gran Colombia (or Inyursta); but I hate PMT with a vengeance...

[Vancon]

Pretty good so far. We could kind of use a Russia

I would love to fill the part of Russia/US/Gran Colombia (or Inyursta); but I hate PMT with a vengeance...

We have it in PMT (2025 PMT) purely for Oale to be included with his Fan-T cat-ears.

[Korouse]

So strategy laid out for a war I'm having.

Basically, I focus Mechanized Divisions (Tanks/APCs) on specific points, thus, so I can easily penetrate Defense. Usually, the penetrating divisions have targets (such as villages, big cities require a massive pincer basically). Once sufficiently inside enemy territory, Divisions detach regiments/brigades to turn around and flank enemy positions. Then, the "front line" of sorts (basically the rest of my army) move up and destroy the defense completely. Thus, the Defense is no longer an actual Defense, they're being assaulted, and they're getting flanked. Other than that, it's basically basic mobile warfare stuff.

Disclosures:
1. It's meant to be an extremely fast maneuver
2. We also have a liquid defense, since that's probably the best option with a Mobile army
3. A guide to a well defended area: move around it.
4. I know about tank mines, but usually you don't want to place them directly in front of you to hinder a possible window of attack you have, or put them behind you 'cause y'know, that's kinda stupid
5. One thing about the strategy is that you must always cover your flanks
6. Targets can be logistical stuff, like I dunno, hospitals?
7. This strategy isn't set in stone, it's for countries where I can safely employ this. My enemy has relatively unorganized but very many conscripts, inferior in everything except for numbers (that also means vehicles).
8. Not even covering air strategy.

Any issues I might face with a military who conscripts, has soviet style tanks (like middle east quality), and is overall disorganized but exceptional in numbers?

[Roski]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ELcD6jhYoM

I use this to lure people into traps when in Spec ops

[United Marxist Nations]

Realistically the only way that Japan could have "beaten" the US is if they had consolidated their earlier victories and used the vast amounts of materials gained from those conquests to expand their navy tenfold at least

Even then, they probably could have only hold the US at bay, or forced a favourable peace deal

A favorable peace deal is all they needed, because they only needed to keep the US away from their East Asian conquests (Hull note is a big reason they attacked), so if they had managed to deal the USN a crippling blow at sea, they probably could have forced some kind of thing keeping the US out.

[Vancon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ELcD6jhYoM

I use this to lure people into traps when in Spec ops

"Tacticool actual, come in"
"We hear you 5 by 5, gimme a sitrep"
"Someone's singing sir"
"Nuke the fukers"

[Korouse]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ELcD6jhYoM

I use this to lure people into traps when in Spec ops

we allll fall DOWN!

*C4 goes off and meeting room is raided*

[Mitheldalond]

Pretty good so far. We could kind of use a Russia

I would love to fill the part of Russia/US/Gran Colombia (or Inyursta); but I hate PMT with a vengeance...

2025. It's basically MT; I haven't bothered to update any of my military from its current MT standard.

Also, Russia is already in the process of being Zerg-rushed by China. As an NPC nation, it's not doing very well. Hopefully, having another player in control of Russia will slow the Chinese down a bit.