NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #6

[Immoren]

I wonder if role in for whichSpartan project of Halo was created is only justifiable role for super soldiers, if you necessarily have to create them and they're too expensive to use to fill tactical field formations.
If that's one thingsthat halo got "right".

[Imperializt Russia]

I wonder if role in for whichSpartan project of Halo was created is only justifiable role for super soldiers, if you necessarily have to create them and they're too expensive to use to fill tactical field formations.
If that's one thingsthat halo got "right".

The Spartan-I programme was essentially Navy SEALS literally on steroids. Spartan-II, for literally 90% of the war, was just more of the same, but more extreme.

The "Spartan-II programme", minus the sci-fi, is pretty doable.

[The Corparation]

I wonder if role in for whichSpartan project of Halo was created is only justifiable role for super soldiers, if you necessarily have to create them and they're too expensive to use to fill tactical field formations.
If that's one thingsthat halo got "right".

Which Spartan project are we talking here? II, III or IV?
II was basically to make l33t Spec Ops starting at a young age to crush rebellions in the colonies. (They were to be used close to how modern day special forces counter-terrorism work.) III was II on a budget to make l33t Cannon Fodder.The only one I would consider practical is IV, which was just augmenting the beet regular special forces troops to make l33t Special Forces.

[Imperializt Russia]

II were Navy SEALs, III were paratroopers, and IV were Guards units.

[San-Silvacian]

IV are just a bunch of pussies.

Not even 7 feet tall.

0/10 worst spess speical forces

[Immoren]

I wonder if role in for whichSpartan project of Halo was created is only justifiable role for super soldiers, if you necessarily have to create them and they're too expensive to use to fill tactical field formations.
If that's one thingsthat halo got "right".

Which Spartan project are we talking here? II, III or IV?
II was basically to make l33t Spec Ops starting at a young age to crush rebellions in the colonies. (They were to be used close to how modern day special forces counter-terrorism work.) III was II on a budget to make l33t Cannon Fodder.The only one I would consider practical is IV, which was just augmenting the beet regular special forces troops to make l33t Special Forces.

II of course.
I always forgot III and IV
Despite the fact IV appear in halo 4

[United Marxist Nations]

I was just curious, and I figured that if anyone knew, it would be you guys: Why could the Japanese Navy not beat the US at Midway?

[Padnak]

I was just curious, and I figured that if anyone knew, it would be you guys: Why could the Japanese Navy not beat the US at Midway?

They could have easily, but they vastly underestimated the Americans and chose to use an overly complex plan that involved splitting up the bulk of their forces and significantly reducing their overall effectiveness. Add on top of this the fact that due to a Japanese military culture, or a lack of resources or both, they were unable to repair their warships like the Americans were

[United Marxist Nations]

I was just curious, and I figured that if anyone knew, it would be you guys: Why could the Japanese Navy not beat the US at Midway?

They could have easily, but they vastly underestimated the Americans and chose to use an overly complex plan that involved splitting up the bulk of their forces and significantly reducing their overall effectiveness. Add on top of this the fact that due to a Japanese military culture, or a lack of resources or both, they were unable to repair their warships like the Americans were

I guess that makes sense; bet they regret that, since it kind of cost them the war.

[Velkanika]

I wonder if role in for whichSpartan project of Halo was created is only justifiable role for super soldiers, if you necessarily have to create them and they're too expensive to use to fill tactical field formations.
If that's one thingsthat halo got "right".

The Spartan-I programme was essentially Navy SEALS literally on steroids. Spartan-II, for literally 90% of the war, was just more of the same, but more extreme.

The "Spartan-II programme", minus the sci-fi, is pretty doable.

Only if you want a bunch of soldiers with some pretty wacky psychological conditions. You remember my joke on Spartans that was almost serious for a while? The main character has a combination of PTSD and Paranoid Personality Disorder, her CO is a high-functioning psychopath, one of her team's snipers has Sadistic Personality Disorder, and the other sniper has PTSD. To be fair, the Master Chief from Halo wasn't exactly sane either.

[Imperializt Russia]

The Spartan-I programme was essentially Navy SEALS literally on steroids. Spartan-II, for literally 90% of the war, was just more of the same, but more extreme.

The "Spartan-II programme", minus the sci-fi, is pretty doable.

Only if you want a bunch of soldiers with some pretty wacky psychological conditions. You remember my joke on Spartans that was almost serious for a while? The main character has a combination of PTSD and Paranoid Personality Disorder, her CO is a high-functioning psychopath, one of her team's snipers has Sadistic Personality Disorder, and the other sniper has PTSD. To be fair, the Master Chief from Halo wasn't exactly sane either.

Slightly more sane than Cortana was, for all that's worth.

[Padnak]

They could have easily, but they vastly underestimated the Americans and chose to use an overly complex plan that involved splitting up the bulk of their forces and significantly reducing their overall effectiveness. Add on top of this the fact that due to a Japanese military culture, or a lack of resources or both, they were unable to repair their warships like the Americans were

I guess that makes sense; bet they regret that, since it kind of cost them the war.

If they simply massed their forces and went in for a frontal or maybe pincer attack they would have crushed the Americans, they vastly outnumbered them in terms of ships and aircraft, and at that point Japanese ships and aircraft were close to par with their American counterparts and their pilots were still quite good

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I guess that makes sense; bet they regret that, since it kind of cost them the war.

If they simply massed their forces and went in for a frontal or maybe pincer attack they would have crushed the Americans, they vastly outnumbered them in terms of ships and aircraft, and at that point Japanese ships and aircraft were close to par with their American counterparts and their pilots were still quite good

That would change entirely as early as 1943. By Dec 31 that year, if we assume Midway the astounding success resulted in sinking three US carriers to zero Japanese carriers you would have seven CV's and seven CVL's and 850 planes available for the US, supported by 11 million tons of new shipping produced that same year. They would face pretty much the same IJN as before Midway with six CV's and two CVL's sporting 561 planes. It gets worse in 1944 where Halsey and Spruance would sport eight Essexes and nine CVL's in addition to two pre-war carriers for a combined 1,189 planes. The Japanese would see Chiyoda and Chitose completing conversion and bringing their plane count to 621, in 1944. In short even if Nagumo had by an Act of God triumphed at Midway he would be doomed by the rematch in Sept. 1943.

[United Marxist Nations]

If they simply massed their forces and went in for a frontal or maybe pincer attack they would have crushed the Americans, they vastly outnumbered them in terms of ships and aircraft, and at that point Japanese ships and aircraft were close to par with their American counterparts and their pilots were still quite good

That would change entirely as early as 1943. By Dec 31 that year, if we assume Midway the astounding success resulted in sinking three US carriers to zero Japanese carriers you would have seven CV's and seven CVL's and 850 planes available for the US, supported by 11 million tons of new shipping produced that same year. They would face pretty much the same IJN as before Midway with six CV's and two CVL's sporting 561 planes. It gets worse in 1944 where Halsey and Spruance would sport eight Essexes and nine CVL's in addition to two pre-war carriers for a combined 1,189 planes. The Japanese would see Chiyoda and Chitose completing conversion and bringing their plane count to 621. In short even if Nagumo had by an Act of God triumphed at Midway he would be doomed by the rematch in Sept. 1943.

Why would it have been "by and act of god" that he had one at Midway? He had superior forces.

[Kouralia]

Only if you want a bunch of soldiers with some pretty wacky psychological conditions. You remember my joke on Spartans that was almost serious for a while? The main character has a combination of PTSD and Paranoid Personality Disorder, her CO is a high-functioning psychopath, one of her team's snipers has Sadistic Personality Disorder, and the other sniper has PTSD. To be fair, the Master Chief from Halo wasn't exactly sane either.

Slightly more sane than Cortana was, for all that's worth.

Eh, as a smart AI Cortana was fine until she interfaced with the Gravemind. Chief was pretty sane, just an aggressive individual whose trust issues and tendencies toward extreme violence were curbed somewhat by the lol!training.

[Gallia-]

According to the legendary think tank "NSDraftroom", "violence solves everything".

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

That would change entirely as early as 1943. By Dec 31 that year, if we assume Midway the astounding success resulted in sinking three US carriers to zero Japanese carriers you would have seven CV's and seven CVL's and 850 planes available for the US, supported by 11 million tons of new shipping produced that same year. They would face pretty much the same IJN as before Midway with six CV's and two CVL's sporting 561 planes. It gets worse in 1944 where Halsey and Spruance would sport eight Essexes and nine CVL's in addition to two pre-war carriers for a combined 1,189 planes. The Japanese would see Chiyoda and Chitose completing conversion and bringing their plane count to 621. In short even if Nagumo had by an Act of God triumphed at Midway he would be doomed by the rematch in Sept. 1943.

Why would it have been "by and act of god" that he had one at Midway? He had superior forces.

Nagumo also didn't realize until Hiryu got taken out of action that there was more than two US carriers at Midway. His carrier strike planes (who incidentally had "sunk" USS Yorktown thrice now) had been nearly bled dry in attacking the USN's carriers even irl. He also crucially could not afford the losses of crew and planes when we consider that he would get 26,000 planes this year and next, while his opponent would acquire 134,000 planes in the same period.

[Velkanika]

Only if you want a bunch of soldiers with some pretty wacky psychological conditions. You remember my joke on Spartans that was almost serious for a while? The main character has a combination of PTSD and Paranoid Personality Disorder, her CO is a high-functioning psychopath, one of her team's snipers has Sadistic Personality Disorder, and the other sniper has PTSD. To be fair, the Master Chief from Halo wasn't exactly sane either.

Slightly more sane than Cortana was, for all that's worth.

That's not exactly saying much, seeing as Cortana had some of the greatest mommy issues in videogame history.

Eh, as a smart AI Cortana was fine until she interfaced with the Gravemind. Chief was pretty sane, just an aggressive individual whose trust issues and tendencies toward extreme violence were curbed somewhat by the lol!training.

Chief showed some symptoms of maladaptive syndrome, along with some behavior normally attributed to children who are neglected by their parents from about 9 years old on (the trust issues in particular).

That would change entirely as early as 1943. By Dec 31 that year, if we assume Midway the astounding success resulted in sinking three US carriers to zero Japanese carriers you would have seven CV's and seven CVL's and 850 planes available for the US, supported by 11 million tons of new shipping produced that same year. They would face pretty much the same IJN as before Midway with six CV's and two CVL's sporting 561 planes. It gets worse in 1944 where Halsey and Spruance would sport eight Essexes and nine CVL's in addition to two pre-war carriers for a combined 1,189 planes. The Japanese would see Chiyoda and Chitose completing conversion and bringing their plane count to 621. In short even if Nagumo had by an Act of God triumphed at Midway he would be doomed by the rematch in Sept. 1943.

Why would it have been "by and act of god" that he had one at Midway? He had superior forces.

He was taken by surprise and got caught with his flight decks covered in aircraft being refueled and rearmed. The timing for suddenly having to go from launching strikes against shore-based targets to a naval engagement with enemy carriers was absolutely terrible for him. On top of that, all he knew was that there was at least one enemy carrier somewhere nearby and they knew where he was already. He knew their general bearing relative to him but didn't know exactly what he was up against. The US had a decisive advantage at the very beginning of the engagement.

[Gallia-]

The only good video game character is Mark Bannon anyway.

[Kouralia]

Slightly more sane than Cortana was, for all that's worth.

That's not exactly saying much, seeing as Cortana had some of the greatest mommy issues in videogame history.

Eh, as a smart AI Cortana was fine until she interfaced with the Gravemind. Chief was pretty sane, just an aggressive individual whose trust issues and tendencies toward extreme violence were curbed somewhat by the lol!training.

Chief showed some symptoms of maladaptive syndrome, along with some behavior normally attributed to children who are neglected by their parents from about 9 years old on (the trust issues in particular).

Eh, not rly to the level that he could be called insane.

The only good video game character is Mark Bannon anyway.

I'm Kourmmander Shepherd and this is my favourite thread in the milRealism cancer.

[Roski]

Feasibility of a railgun tank in three, two, one, go!

(PMT in mind obviously)

[The balkens]

That's not exactly saying much, seeing as Cortana had some of the greatest mommy issues in videogame history.

Chief showed some symptoms of maladaptive syndrome, along with some behavior normally attributed to children who are neglected by their parents from about 9 years old on (the trust issues in particular).

Eh, not rly to the level that he could be called insane.

The only good video game character is Mark Bannon anyway.

I'm Kourmmander Shepherd and this is my favourite thread in the milRealism cancer.

ha.

[Primordial Luxa]

According to the legendary think tank "NSDraftroom", "violence solves everything".

And it it doesn't your just no using enough

[Yukonastan]

Slightly more sane than Cortana was, for all that's worth.

Eh, as a smart AI Cortana was fine until she interfaced with the Gravemind. Chief was pretty sane, just an aggressive individual whose trust issues and tendencies toward extreme violence were curbed somewhat by the lol!training.

Halo 4 Cortana was going insane, and had these violent episodes of rage throughout the game.
First time inside the suit on the Dawn, IIRC, then once aboard the Infinity basically EMP-ing half the systems, and some other times after that.

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Feasibility of a railgun tank in three, two, one, go!

(PMT in mind obviously)

NO. GOD.
NO. GOD. PLEASE. NO.
NO. NO.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

[Kouralia]

Eh, as a smart AI Cortana was fine until she interfaced with the Gravemind. Chief was pretty sane, just an aggressive individual whose trust issues and tendencies toward extreme violence were curbed somewhat by the lol!training.

Halo 4 Cortana was going insane, and had these violent episodes of rage throughout the game.
First time inside the suit on the Dawn, IIRC, then once aboard the Infinity basically EMP-ing half the systems, and some other times after that.

Not Rage/Insanity. Rampancy. And as Halo 4 Cortana is a) well into the Rampancy Stage of a Smart AI's lifetime and b) post-integration/mind-rape with the Gravemind, it's to be expected.