NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #6

[The Akasha Colony]

Accuracy will be crap though.

The trident 2 has a maximum range of 7840KM when fully loaded. When downloaded that potentially grows to 11300KM based on what we know about it.
Being inertially guided three-stage, I see no reason why it could be compensated for planetary spin and nuke its own launch point, giving it a VERY short minimum range of 90-120m. Obviously you'd launch it up, then dive and run.
The accuracy of it is actually not that bad, about 90-120m CEP. That's good enough to land within an average city block or two.

Because it's a solid fuel rocket, and unlike a liquid fuel rocket, you can't turn a solid fuel rocket motor off once it's been ignited.

[The IASM]

The trident 2 has a maximum range of 7840KM when fully loaded. When downloaded that potentially grows to 11300KM based on what we know about it.
Being inertially guided three-stage, I see no reason why it could be compensated for planetary spin and nuke its own launch point, giving it a VERY short minimum range of 90-120m. Obviously you'd launch it up, then dive and run.
The accuracy of it is actually not that bad, about 90-120m CEP. That's good enough to land within an average city block or two.

Because it's a solid fuel rocket, and unlike a liquid fuel rocket, you can't turn a solid fuel rocket motor off once it's been ignited.

You can, it just however happens to involve explosives destroying the rocket.

[The Akasha Colony]

You can, it just however happens to involve explosives destroying the rocket.

Which is irrelevant, because now you have no rocket. You might as well say the minimum range is zero because you can set off a nuke in the launch tube without even igniting the motor.

[Yukonastan]

The trident 2 has a maximum range of 7840KM when fully loaded. When downloaded that potentially grows to 11300KM based on what we know about it.
Being inertially guided three-stage, I see no reason why it could be compensated for planetary spin and nuke its own launch point, giving it a VERY short minimum range of 90-120m. Obviously you'd launch it up, then dive and run.
The accuracy of it is actually not that bad, about 90-120m CEP. That's good enough to land within an average city block or two.

Because it's a solid fuel rocket, and unlike a liquid fuel rocket, you can't turn a solid fuel rocket motor off once it's been ignited.

Play with the computer to ignite only the bottom stage, then when you're busy turning, to compensate for planetary spin, punch the second stage. Deorbit burn, drop the nukes.

[Lubyak]

You can, it just however happens to involve explosives destroying the rocket.

Which is irrelevant, because now you have no rocket. You might as well say the minimum range is zero because you can set off a nuke in the launch tube without even igniting the motor.

Actually, I thought missile RV warheads had sensors in them which would only allow the missile to be detonated if the RV had undergone the proper g-load for launch + reentry.

[Yukonastan]

Which is irrelevant, because now you have no rocket. You might as well say the minimum range is zero because you can set off a nuke in the launch tube without even igniting the motor.

Actually, I thought missile RV warheads had sensors in them which would only allow the missile to be detonated if the RV had undergone the proper g-load for launch + reentry.

Short out the nuke leads on the timing block, and tap them with a 500v 50J capacitor.

[The Kievan People]

1. Detonating the rocket would destroy the warheads.
2. Detonating the warheads would probably result in the first warhead to detonate destroying all the others, wasting most of the potential. Nukes are fast (shock) and even a miniscule difference in triggering time can cause fratricide.

[Rich and Corporations]

I have a quick question for those here:
Do you think a Gau-8 would set off Kontakt armor when firing at it?

I was having a discussion with a friend about it and was wondering if that was true or not.

No.

Shells are too slow to trigger Kontakt-5.

is this based on muzzle velocity, or muzzle velocity + plane velocity?

[Vakarians]

Input on military doctrine? It's far from completion and forgive me for any spelling or grammar. I'm a highschool student.

The Corporate Empire of Vakarians Defense Doctrine

Forward
This doctrine explains the application of the The Corporate Empire of Vakarians Armed Forces. War will sadly always happen, but instead of fighting the possibility, we prepare ourselves. Doctrine provides our commanders the way we should think and not think. Individuality creates inefficiency which leads to failure. And failure is not the Vakarians way, because of the role we have. Our role is the regional protectorate.

[The Akasha Colony]

Input on military doctrine? It's far from completion and forgive me for any spelling or grammar. I'm a highschool student.

The Corporate Empire of Vakarians Defense Doctrine

Forward
This doctrine explains the application of the The Corporate Empire of Vakarians Armed Forces. War will sadly always happen, but instead of fighting the possibility, we prepare ourselves. Doctrine provides our commanders the way we should think and not think. Individuality creates inefficiency which leads to failure. And failure is not the Vakarians way, because of the role we have. Our role is the regional protectorate.

There isn't anything here to critique. The only statement that has any meaning is the "individuality creates inefficiency" part, which is debatable at best.

[Vakarians]

Input on military doctrine? It's far from completion and forgive me for any spelling or grammar. I'm a highschool student.

The Corporate Empire of Vakarians Defense Doctrine

Forward
This doctrine explains the application of the The Corporate Empire of Vakarians Armed Forces. War will sadly always happen, but instead of fighting the possibility, we prepare ourselves. Doctrine provides our commanders the way we should think and not think. Individuality creates inefficiency which leads to failure. And failure is not the Vakarians way, because of the role we have. Our role is the regional protectorate.

There isn't anything here to critique. The only statement that has any meaning is the "individuality creates inefficiency" part, which is debatable at best.

Where should I go from there?

[Anacasppia]

Wasn't that like the cornerstone of Soviet doctrine? The average grunt (and even junior officers) were not expected to exercise individual thought or initiative and proficiency was measured by their ability to accurately perform 'textbook' actions and maneuvers as prescribed by, again, the 'textbook'.

[Vakarians]

Wasn't that like the cornerstone of Soviet doctrine? The average grunt (and even junior officers) were not expected to exercise individual thought or initiative and proficiency was measured by their ability to accurately perform 'textbook' actions and maneuvers as prescribed by, again, the 'textbook'.

Instead of staying "individuality creates inefficiency" Should I state that it can if there isn't a based fundamental?

[The Akasha Colony]

Wasn't that like the cornerstone of Soviet doctrine? The average grunt (and even junior officers) were not expected to exercise individual thought or initiative and proficiency was measured by their ability to accurately perform 'textbook' actions and maneuvers as prescribed by, again, the 'textbook'.

Most militaries espouse this, but militaries as a whole do not function without some level of individual initiative. It is inevitable that situations will arise that will not have been in the textbook, and religiously following such textbooks can lead to dangerous levels of predictability (which isn't necessarily a problem if the enemy still can't stop you). The goal of such textbooks is to provide a framework from which soldiers can be trained to formulate responses, and the level to which they are expected to adhere to these regulations varies.

Where should I go from there?

The fundamental foundation of a doctrine is a strategic objective. What do you want to do? This defines your doctrine, which is how you plan to do it. There's nothing about that in what you wrote.

[Vakarians]

I see. I guess I'm just confused on how to write this. I've never had to write any sort of doctrine before.

Our goals is to be the leader economically and militarily in our region, while being a protectorate and judicial power.

[The Soodean Imperium]

There isn't anything here to critique. The only statement that has any meaning is the "individuality creates inefficiency" part, which is debatable at best.

Where should I go from there?

Questers, one of the regulars here (and the OP of this thread) laid it out as follows a while back:

Your doctrine should consider:
1. Who is most likely to attack, from where, and who will be on their side and yours.

2. Whether you will have quantitative and qualitative superiority, or neither

3. On what type of terrain the war will be fought, over how much depth, and in what space of time

4. And your overall war aims either offence or defence.

If you can answer those questions, you have your doctrine.

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Wasn't that like the cornerstone of Soviet doctrine? The average grunt (and even junior officers) were not expected to exercise individual thought or initiative and proficiency was measured by their ability to accurately perform 'textbook' actions and maneuvers as prescribed by, again, the 'textbook'.

It depends on how it's implemented. The Soviets tried to condense military theory down to "military science," with the best and brightest officers writing textbooks for the less educated conscripts to follow according to plan. According to Kyiv, the textbooks were meant to allow subordinate units to (theoretically) keep advancing according to the plan even when cut off from their command&comms, thus making the units more independent in a backwards kind of way.

On the other hand, lack of initiative worked badly in the Middle East; one of the main reasons Arab-world armies tend to perform so poorly is that regional tradition discourages subordinates from doing anything important without getting the approval of the higher-ups, let alone questioning their superior officers. In 1991, this meant that Saddam's main tank formations were left sitting around in trenches and under bridges, waiting for counterattack orders that never came while the US easily mopped them up.

[Spirit of Hope]

I see. I guess I'm just confused on how to write this. I've never had to write any sort of doctrine before.

Our goals is to be the leader economically and militarily in our region, while being a protectorate and judicial power.

So what are the threats to that stance? What are your resources to combat those threats? How do you intend to combat those threats with the resources you have, directly, by deterrence, through assistance to allies, or through economic action?

[Vakarians]

I see. I guess I'm just confused on how to write this. I've never had to write any sort of doctrine before.

Our goals is to be the leader economically and militarily in our region, while being a protectorate and judicial power.

So what are the threats to that stance? What are your resources to combat those threats? How do you intend to combat those threats with the resources you have, directly, by deterrence, through assistance to allies, or through economic action?

Other nations and alliances in the region. Such as "Central Powers", who are communists and have a trend of military aggressiveness. However with each of their nations combined their budget and size of military might is liitle over half of mine according to nstracker.net
I don't really rely on allies in time of need

[The Kievan People]

The meat of a doctrine is how you plan to fight.

[Rich and Corporations]

The meat of a doctrine is how you plan to fight.

Through buzzwords.

Transformation.
Kinetics.
End-State.
Steel.

Buzzwords win wars, and they win procurement competitions which consist of a single officer browsing through pamphlets.

At least in NS.

[Velkanika]

Because it's a solid fuel rocket, and unlike a liquid fuel rocket, you can't turn a solid fuel rocket motor off once it's been ignited.

Play with the computer to ignite only the bottom stage, then when you're busy turning, to compensate for planetary spin, punch the second stage. Deorbit burn, drop the nukes.

The missile will yaw into the airflow and break up under aerodynamic stress if you try to waste energy by turning it.

[Yukonastan]

Wasn't that like the cornerstone of Soviet doctrine? The average grunt (and even junior officers) were not expected to exercise individual thought or initiative and proficiency was measured by their ability to accurately perform 'textbook' actions and maneuvers as prescribed by, again, the 'textbook'.

Compare Soviet doctrine to American doctrine. Consider it a game of chess.

The American player is an above average chess player, but with a set of pieces whose capabilities vary depending on the move required.
The Soviet player is a grand master, playing with a normal chess set. All pieces do exactly what they're supposed to do and nothing else.

The American player, while having more versatile pieces, can't use any of them as effectively and co-ordinated as the Soviet player. The Soviet player manages to position all his pieces in the best posture for the overall objective, and knows how to play off the strengths of all his pieces combined. Whereas the American player is reacting to events and not often pushing the offensive, he has some of the best and brightest chess pieces around, that do what is asked of them. If they need to be castles they are castles. If they need to be pawns they are pawns. Etc etc etc.

[Zeinbrad]

Okay, won't try to overstay my welcome here.

May I ask what are the disadvantages of wearing a Gas Mask 24/7. The Wolfe (Besides High-Breeds) have to always wear gas mask like devices or they die, which is due to the toxicity of their homeworld. They are also wolf like in appearance, but that doesn't matter.

So yeah, besides lack of comfortableness what are the disadvantages?

[Kouralia]

Okay, won't try to overstay my welcome here.

May I ask what are the disadvantages of wearing a Gas Mask 24/7. The Wolfe (Besides High-Breeds) have to always wear gas mask like devices or they die, which is due to the toxicity of their homeworld. They are also wolf like in appearance, but that doesn't matter.

So yeah, besides lack of comfortableness what are the disadvantages?

You can't eat.

So, you die.

[Purpelia]

Okay, won't try to overstay my welcome here.

May I ask what are the disadvantages of wearing a Gas Mask 24/7. The Wolfe (Besides High-Breeds) have to always wear gas mask like devices or they die, which is due to the toxicity of their homeworld. They are also wolf like in appearance, but that doesn't matter.

So yeah, besides lack of comfortableness what are the disadvantages?

You can't eat.

So, you die.

I was going to write a long rant about how horrible it would be to wear a close fitting rubber mask all day long. What it being hot and sweaty and making it hard for you to breathe. But really. I don't have to. Not any more.