NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #6

[United Marxist Nations]

two million T-55s with computers fuel versus two thousand T-55s without worse computers fuel , who will win?

Is lack of fuel really a big problem when you have them dug into the side of a mountain? The North's border with China is pretty defensible.

[Padnak]

Is lack of fuel really a big problem when you have them dug into the side of a mountain? The North's border with China is pretty defensible.

I should correct further

*An air force with fuel versus two thousand t-55s without fuel


North Korea's hard counter

[San-Silvacian]

Lol NK MiG-29s

[Padnak]

Lol NK MiG-29s

lol NK MiG-29s flown be pilots with less flight time then the average Canadian air cadet

[Bratislavskaya]

Lun Class Ekranoplans, how useful are they, and are they worth using for anything?

[Allanea]

Lun Class Ekranoplans, how useful are they, and are they worth using for anything?

You might want to add a more modern missile.

[Padnak]

Lun Class Ekranoplans, how useful are they, and are they worth using for anything?

for when you want to invade someone from the seas at extremely high speeds, or for when you want to crush cowardly carrier battle groups at high speeds while invading someone at high speeds

[Allanea]

Is lack of fuel really a big problem when you have them dug into the side of a mountain? The North's border with China is pretty defensible.

I should correct further

*An air force with fuel versus two thousand t-55s without fuel


North Korea's hard counter

I have counted twenty bombs in the air there. Just how many hardpoints does this thing have?

[Padnak]

I have counted twenty bombs in the air there. Just how many hardpoints does this thing have?

Its the J-16 multirole fighter, I think. Wikipedia says 9 hard points and 2 wingtip points and configuration seems to be the product of some Chinese general saying "We need more bombs"

[Immoren]

I should correct further

*An air force with fuel versus two thousand t-55s without fuel


North Korea's hard counter

I have counted twenty bombs in the air there. Just how many hardpoints does this thing have?

Obviously it's IRL arcade plane

[Padnak]

I'm seeing a few places calling it "China's bomb truck"

wonder where they got that notion...

[Gallia-]

I should correct further

*An air force with fuel versus two thousand t-55s without fuel


North Korea's hard counter

I have counted twenty bombs in the air there. Just how many hardpoints does this thing have?

It's just a Su-30MKI.

How many Small Diameter Bombs can you put on an F-15E or something? They're itty bitty 100 lbs things.

[Imperializt Russia]

4.) Even if the North Koreans just detonate their nukes within their own territory, the fallout won't be a good thing for anyone near them (including China).

Fallout is nowhere near that horrible.

Literally thousands of nukes have been detonated around the world in the past 60 years and you are not dying of cancer.

Well, statistically he probably will be, but not because of nuclear detonations.

I have counted twenty bombs in the air there. Just how many hardpoints does this thing have?

Its the J-16 multirole fighter, I think. Wikipedia says 9 hard points and 2 wingtip points and configuration seems to be the product of some Chinese general saying "We need more bombs"

There is a phrase this image screams.
It is, "i'll fckin rek u mert"

[United Marxist Nations]

Doesn't NK have Buks?

Also, IC'ly, I'm thinking of Black Eagles for evaluation. How good are they compared to the T-80U upgrade I have, and, if they are much better, is there anyway I can upgrade my T-80's to the standard (like replacing the turret or something)?

[Padnak]

It's just a Su-30MKI.

How many Small Diameter Bombs can you put on an F-15E or something? They're itty bitty 100 lbs things.

Its a Shenyang J-16 mate, developed from/taking influence from the Su-30MKK

[Allanea]

How many Small Diameter Bombs can you put on an F-15E or something? They're itty bitty 100 lbs things.

I don't think the issue is that of weight.

[Allanea]

P.S. GBU-35 SDB is 285 pounds, GBU-53 is 250 pounds.

[Gallia-]

How many Small Diameter Bombs can you put on an F-15E or something? They're itty bitty 100 lbs things.

I don't think the issue is that of weight.

I don't think that's what I was referring to. Nice try though.

It's just a Su-30MKI.

How many Small Diameter Bombs can you put on an F-15E or something? They're itty bitty 100 lbs things.

Its a Shenyang J-16 mate, developed from/taking influence from the Su-30MKK

Copying. The PRC has invented nothing original ever.

Su-30MKK is just another version of -MKI, with degraded electronics.

[Imperializt Russia]

How many Small Diameter Bombs can you put on an F-15E or something? They're itty bitty 100 lbs things.

I don't think the issue is that of weight.

I think the implication is that because of its low weight, you can cram many onto a single hardpoint (with suitable adapter) because it's obviously rated for a significantly heavier load.

Wiki claims that a common load for the J-16 is eight PL-12s and four PL-9 missiles. The PL-9 weighs 250 pounds, and the PL-12 weighs 400. Minus the weight of adapters (and in terms of weight alone) you could probably fit three bombs to each hardpoint.

[Gallia-]

I'm (not so?) obviously referring to the small physical size of such bombs, letting aircraft carry significantly more ordnance on the same pylon without interfering with other stores or the fuselage.

It's also six bombs on every hardpoint that is carrying them, clearly. About 45 turbofirecrackers.

That's about comparable to what you can hoist on an F-15C with Mk 81s, the Western equivalent, but the F-15C doesn't have as many hardpoints and I'm sure you'd run into problems with the conformal carriage or CFTs and the wing pylons or something.

[New Vihenia]

Su-30MKK is just another version of -MKI, with degraded electronics.

Wrong.

MKK is made by KNAAPO while Indian MKI variants are made by IAPO. There are no linkage between both aircrafts.

[Gallia-]

Su-30MKK is just another version of -MKI, with degraded electronics.

Wrong.

MKK is made by KNAAPO while Indian MKI variants are made by IAPO. There are no linkage between both aircrafts.

Whatever.

[Velkanika]

Found a couple of interesting videos... and possibly two more things to break Hollywood war film immersion.

Getting shelled from a first person POV.
Dogfight from a first person POV.

I guess Battlefield got at least something right about dogfighting.
I can't see shit and I have idea what the fuck the other guy is doing when he wanders out of my field of vision.

That's the gun cam footage, which has a limited FOV by design. The pilot himself was looking around madly trying to keep the opposing force aircraft in view at all times. Battlefield is shit when it comes to getting anything about aircraft right.

[Velkanika]

4.) Even if the North Koreans just detonate their nukes within their own territory, the fallout won't be a good thing for anyone near them (including China).

Fallout is nowhere near that horrible.

Literally thousands of nukes have been detonated around the world in the past 60 years and you are not dying of cancer.

You're not sitting inside the severe fallout zone that radiates a lethal dose in less than 5 hours. Also, the majority of nuclear detonations were conducted as far away from populated areas as possible to avoid fallout exposure and deaths. Hiroshima and Nagasaki both demonstrate the extremely lethal effects of radioactive fallout from even tactical nuclear weapons.

I have counted twenty bombs in the air there. Just how many hardpoints does this thing have?

It's just a Su-30MKI.

How many Small Diameter Bombs can you put on an F-15E or something? They're itty bitty 100 lbs things.

50 or so.

I don't think the issue is that of weight.

I think the implication is that because of its low weight, you can cram many onto a single hardpoint (with suitable adapter) because it's obviously rated for a significantly heavier load.

Wiki claims that a common load for the J-16 is eight PL-12s and four PL-9 missiles. The PL-9 weighs 250 pounds, and the PL-12 weighs 400. Minus the weight of adapters (and in terms of weight alone) you could probably fit three bombs to each hardpoint.

Drag and weight are the biggest issues when you start loading up bombs like that. Sure they might not weigh much individually, but then the ejector racks for bombs the Mud Hen carries weigh about 200 pounds. With 900 lbs of bombs loaded onto those, plus drag, you're looking at a lot of force being exerted on the aircraft. It'll also generate more drag then when the gear are down, which makes flying a fully laden strike aircraft a little awkward at best.

I'm (not so?) obviously referring to the small physical size of such bombs, letting aircraft carry significantly more ordnance on the same pylon without interfering with other stores or the fuselage.

It's also six bombs on every hardpoint that is carrying them, clearly. About 45 turbofirecrackers.

That's about comparable to what you can hoist on an F-15C with Mk 81s, the Western equivalent, but the F-15C doesn't have as many hardpoints and I'm sure you'd run into problems with the conformal carriage or CFTs and the wing pylons or something.

The F-15A/B/C/D is air-to-air only, you're thinking of the F-15E. The CFTs have bomb racks on them, plus they make some special bomb racks that attach to the pylons.

[Gallia-]

F-15C is not air-to-air only, it has CCIP/CCRP in the computer.

A few USAF units used to train with it until ODS, but its most notable use has been with the Israelis.