NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #6

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Easy for Confucius to say, the prick.

I happen to be a great admirer of Confucius and his philosophy, if you don't mind.

Your loss.

He died a happy man, having suffered an injury to his thigh during the battle.

Oh, so he was a sociopath. Great.
Thanks for clearing that up, I couldn't have asked for better proof of my being right.


Intelligence is timeless.


That makes no sense whatsoever.


Your third choice, evidently, being pointless, unending bloodshed, slaughter, and grief for the sake of fairness and some sort of incomprehensible religious need.
Great.
That's a great choice.


Again, not the point.


You evidently don't feel the need to stay on topic, either.


They won't! But that doesn't matter, for the battle will be won by the side that didn't play fair, meaning an end to the war. Everyone goes home sooner!

Every one of the fewer ones that have survived.

If you overwhelm the enemy quickly (IE unfairly), fewer people die on the whole. The war is shorter. The battles are fewer.
Let me tell you something: there's a reason why wars these days last for weeks or months - at worst a few years - rather than centuries (Hundred Years War ring a bell?).
It's because people actually care about resolving the issue at hand, rather than pussyfooting around each other and getting people killed unnecessarily and pointlessly.

I'm not bound to, but I try my best. You don't have to subscribe to the Duke of Sung's beliefs.

Yeah, I don't tend to subscribe to stupid bullshit.

My conjecture was that the battle would have produced more casualties on Chu's side without reducing casualties on Sung's side (simply because the Chu army was poised to win by any standard).

That's a nice guess.

My opinion stands at that the duke had lost a battle but won a moral victory.

Which counts for exactly jack shit when the chips are down and a whole ton of people are dead.

[Krazakistan]

It was still two good civilized white men fighting in a place filled with browns.

Yeah, but America and Britain are basically the same.

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[The Akasha Colony]

Okay guys, this is starting to get a bit more heated and is increasingly unlikely to end. So let's end it.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Okay guys, this is starting to get a bit more heated and is increasingly unlikely to end. So let's end it.

Oh, fine.

[Themiclesia]

I happen to be a great admirer of Confucius and his philosophy, if you don't mind.

Your loss.

He died a happy man, having suffered an injury to his thigh during the battle.


If you overwhelm the enemy quickly (IE unfairly), fewer people die on the whole. The war is shorter. The battles are fewer.
Let me tell you something: there's a reason why wars these days last for weeks or months - at worst a few years - rather than centuries (Hundred Years War ring a bell?).

This sort of preponderance of advantage (and visible preponderance as well) is not something to be assumed.

It's because people actually care about resolving the issue at hand, rather than pussyfooting around each other and getting people killed unnecessarily and pointlessly.

Well, if the Chu state had subscribed to the same beliefs, I will contend that fewer people overall would have died.

Yeah, I don't tend to subscribe to stupid bullshit.


That's a nice guess.

Which counts for exactly jack shit when the chips are down and a whole ton of people are dead.

Fine, if that's what you believe. (I'm heading out to get some NX now, so don't sit at your desk, waiting for a response )

[San-Silvacian]

It was still two good civilized white men fighting in a place filled with browns.

That could easily be perceived as racist.

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It was still two good civilized white men fighting in a place filled with browns.

Oh, Christ.

i spek da truff

There are.

And they all live in Argentina.

That solves why the Arges still fight England so much.

"So Mr. Presidente, just what did you do before you assumed power."

"I verked at a Bakery...

A Jewish Bakery."

I mean serious ones, not the ones who would fly a Nazi flag to make a point.

Most of the hardcore Nazis escaped to Argentina though.

That could easily be perceived as racist.

its San-Silva, he secretly hankers for the return of European imperialism...

French Imperialism more than anything.

[Themiclesia]

Okay guys, this is starting to get a bit more heated and is increasingly unlikely to end. So let's end it.

I have agreed to rest the case, pending my learned friend's reciprocal action.

[Morthyria]

I have 50% of the country in the military.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

I have 50% of the country in the military.

You don't have an economy.

[Themiclesia]

I mean serious ones, not the ones who would fly a Nazi flag to make a point.

Most of the hardcore Nazis escaped to Argentina though.

The end is nigh... for them.

[San-Silvacian]

Most of the hardcore Nazis escaped to Argentina though.

The end is nigh... for them.

Unless they had 1000000000000000 dollars to bribe local police forces and also brought with them allot of small arms and weaponry along with some SS troops which made their positions they took pretty costly to attack by even military forces.

[Themiclesia]

The end is nigh... for them.

Unless they had 1000000000000000 dollars to bribe local police forces and also brought with them allot of small arms and weaponry along with some SS troops which made their positions they took pretty costly to attack by even military forces.

People aren't incriminated by thought, so if the people who escaped were not criminal, there's no cause to pursue them.

[Padnak]

I have 50% of the country in the military.

its never advisable to try and out North Korea North Korea

[San-Silvacian]

Unless they had 1000000000000000 dollars to bribe local police forces and also brought with them allot of small arms and weaponry along with some SS troops which made their positions they took pretty costly to attack by even military forces.

People aren't incriminated by thought, so if the people who escaped were not criminal, there's no cause to pursue them.

These guys were the ones that orchestrated the Holocaust.

They took with them much of the looted gold and artifacts the Nazis plundered the Europe during WW2 and ran in U-Boats to South America.

[Themiclesia]

People aren't incriminated by thought, so if the people who escaped were not criminal, there's no cause to pursue them.

These guys were the ones that orchestrated the Holocaust.

They took with them much of the looted gold and artifacts the Nazis plundered the Europe during WW2 and ran in U-Boats to South America.

... It seems you're much more learned in this subject than I. I'll defer to you.

[Questers]

Speaking of browns. The "browns" proved quite able to put Jerry to flight, when they had British training, equipment, and support. It must have been seriously embarrassing for German-Italian ubermen to be totally owned by tiny footmen from the hills of Nepal, or their apparent "racial predecessors" in turbans.

By skillful stalking both scouts succeeded in reaching the base of the position undetected. Rifleman Thaman Gurung then started to work his way to the summit; the second scout attracted his attention to Germans in a slit trench just below the crest, who were preparing to fire with a machine gun at the leading section. Realizing that if the enemy succeeded in opening fire, the section would certainly sustain heavy casualties, Rifleman Thaman Gurung leapt to his feet and charged them. Completely taken by surprise, the Germans surrendered without opening fire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaman_Gurung

Sepoy Ali Haidar was a member of the lefthand Section of the left-hand Platoon. As soon as the Platoon started to cross, it came under heavy and accurate machine gun fire from two enemy posts strongly dug in about 60 yards away. Sepoy Ali Haidar's Section suffered casualties and only 3 men, including himself, managed to get across. The remainder of the Company was temporarily held up. Without orders, and on his own initiative, Sepoy Ali Haidar, leaving the other two to cover him, charged the nearest post which was about 30 yards away. He threw a grenade and almost at the same time the enemy threw one at him, wounding him severely in the back. In spite of this he kept on and the enemy post was destroyed and four of the enemy surrendered. With utter disregard of his own wounds he continued and charged the next post in which the enemy had one Spandau and three automatics, which were still very active and preventing movement on 'both banks. He was "again wounded, this time in the right leg and right arm. Although weakened by loss of blood, with great determination Sepoy Ali Haidar crawled closer and in a final effort raised himself from the ground, threw a grenade, and charged into the second enemy post. Two enemy were wounded and the remaining two surrendered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Haidar_(military)

The KING has been graciously pleased to approve the award of the Victoria Cross to: —
No. 35408 Sepoy Kamal Ram, 8th Punjab Regiment, Indian Army.
"In Italy, on 12 May 1944, after crossing the River Gari overnight, the Company advance was held up by heavy machine-gun fire from four posts on the front and flanks. As the capture of the position was essential to secure the bridgehead, the Company Commander called for a volunteer to get round the rear of the right post and silence it. Volunteering at once and crawling forward through the wire to a flank, Sepoy Kamal Ram attacked the post single handed and shot the first machine-gunner; a second German tried, to seize his weapon but Sepoy Kamal Ram killed him with the bayonet, and then shot a German officer who, appearing from the trench with his pistol, was about to fire. Sepoy Kamal Ram, still alone, at once went on to attack the second machine-gun post which was continuing to hold up the advance, and after shooting one machine-gunner, he threw a grenade and the remaining enemy surrendered. Seeing a Havildar making a reconnaissance for an attack on the third post, Sepoy Kamal Ram joined him, and, having first covered his companion, went in and completed the destruction of this post. By his courage, initiative and disregard for personal risk, Sepoy Kamal Ram enabled his Company to charge and secure the ground vital to the establishment of the bridgehead and the completion of work on two bridges. When a platoon, pushed further forward to widen the position, was fired on from a house, Sepoy Kamal Ram, dashing towards the house, shot one German in a slit trench and captured two more. His sustained and outstanding bravery unquestionably saved a difficult situation at a critical period of the battle and enabled his Battalion to attain the essential part of their objective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamal_Ram

Not even to mention the numerous Italian humiliations in Ethiopia. Like the time their tankettes, having been ambushed, were literally picked up and tipped over by platoons of swarthy Ethiops.

[Gallia-]

when does germany not surrender?

schnitzel eating surrender monkeys ):

[Padnak]

when does germany not surrender?

schnitzel eating surrender monkeys ):

If only we knew to stop while we were ahead we'd never run into any problems

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

when does germany not surrender?

schnitzel eating surrender monkeys ):

If only we knew to stop while we were ahead we'd never run into any problems

Germans are naturally terrible soldiers, all the competent tribes left Germania for other parts of Europe or Africa in cases. The Vandals, the Goths, the Saxons, the Franks, the Lombards.

[Gallia-]

when does germany not surrender?

schnitzel eating surrender monkeys ):

If only we knew to stop while we were ahead we'd never run into any problems

the only germany has been ahead is when it hasnt been fighting a serious major war

[San-Silvacian]

Speaking of browns. The "browns" proved quite able to put Jerry to flight, when they had British training, equipment, and support. It must have been seriously embarrassing for German-Italian ubermen to be totally owned by tiny footmen from the hills of Nepal, or their apparent "racial predecessors" in turbans.

By skillful stalking both scouts succeeded in reaching the base of the position undetected. Rifleman Thaman Gurung then started to work his way to the summit; the second scout attracted his attention to Germans in a slit trench just below the crest, who were preparing to fire with a machine gun at the leading section. Realizing that if the enemy succeeded in opening fire, the section would certainly sustain heavy casualties, Rifleman Thaman Gurung leapt to his feet and charged them. Completely taken by surprise, the Germans surrendered without opening fire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaman_Gurung

Sepoy Ali Haidar was a member of the lefthand Section of the left-hand Platoon. As soon as the Platoon started to cross, it came under heavy and accurate machine gun fire from two enemy posts strongly dug in about 60 yards away. Sepoy Ali Haidar's Section suffered casualties and only 3 men, including himself, managed to get across. The remainder of the Company was temporarily held up. Without orders, and on his own initiative, Sepoy Ali Haidar, leaving the other two to cover him, charged the nearest post which was about 30 yards away. He threw a grenade and almost at the same time the enemy threw one at him, wounding him severely in the back. In spite of this he kept on and the enemy post was destroyed and four of the enemy surrendered. With utter disregard of his own wounds he continued and charged the next post in which the enemy had one Spandau and three automatics, which were still very active and preventing movement on 'both banks. He was "again wounded, this time in the right leg and right arm. Although weakened by loss of blood, with great determination Sepoy Ali Haidar crawled closer and in a final effort raised himself from the ground, threw a grenade, and charged into the second enemy post. Two enemy were wounded and the remaining two surrendered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Haidar_(military)

The KING has been graciously pleased to approve the award of the Victoria Cross to: —
No. 35408 Sepoy Kamal Ram, 8th Punjab Regiment, Indian Army.
"In Italy, on 12 May 1944, after crossing the River Gari overnight, the Company advance was held up by heavy machine-gun fire from four posts on the front and flanks. As the capture of the position was essential to secure the bridgehead, the Company Commander called for a volunteer to get round the rear of the right post and silence it. Volunteering at once and crawling forward through the wire to a flank, Sepoy Kamal Ram attacked the post single handed and shot the first machine-gunner; a second German tried, to seize his weapon but Sepoy Kamal Ram killed him with the bayonet, and then shot a German officer who, appearing from the trench with his pistol, was about to fire. Sepoy Kamal Ram, still alone, at once went on to attack the second machine-gun post which was continuing to hold up the advance, and after shooting one machine-gunner, he threw a grenade and the remaining enemy surrendered. Seeing a Havildar making a reconnaissance for an attack on the third post, Sepoy Kamal Ram joined him, and, having first covered his companion, went in and completed the destruction of this post. By his courage, initiative and disregard for personal risk, Sepoy Kamal Ram enabled his Company to charge and secure the ground vital to the establishment of the bridgehead and the completion of work on two bridges. When a platoon, pushed further forward to widen the position, was fired on from a house, Sepoy Kamal Ram, dashing towards the house, shot one German in a slit trench and captured two more. His sustained and outstanding bravery unquestionably saved a difficult situation at a critical period of the battle and enabled his Battalion to attain the essential part of their objective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamal_Ram

Not even to mention the numerous Italian humiliations in Ethiopia. Like the time their tankettes, having been ambushed, were literally picked up and tipped over by platoons of swarthy Ethiops.

When did I say the Italians were proper whites.

[Pan Asian Amercian Coalition]

Question: Would there be any notable benefit from going from 12.7mm machine guns to 13mm?

[Yukonastan]

Question: Would there be any notable benefit from going from 12.7mm machine guns to 13mm?

Not really noticeable.

If you go to 16.2x108mm however... Massive difference.

[Pan Asian Amercian Coalition]

Question: Would there be any notable benefit from going from 12.7mm machine guns to 13mm?

Not really noticeable.

If you go to 16.2x108mm however... Massive difference.

I was thinking of replace all of the vehicle mount 13mm with 15mm light cannons. Would that A) be a sound idea and B) provide as the same performance as the 16.2x108?

EDIT: What would be a good % of the population to have in the military? I have about 750M people and a military population of about 8 million, not including contractors and non military functions like accounting. Does this seem reasonable? Keep in mind I'm going for a military-industrial state with a strong science program.

[Mitheldalond]

He died a happy man, having suffered an injury to his thigh during the battle.

"No b*stard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb b*stard die for his country." - Gen. George S. Patton.


And I want to hear more about these people picking up Italian tankettes.