NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #6

[Crookfur]

And Charging cavalry through narrow gully at heavy guns with supporting infantry. Sometimes the commanders were good, sometimes they weren't, certainly they got more bad commanders because they could (and would) just buy them selves a commission instead of getting promoted based on experience.

charge of the light brigade brought much needed glory and honour to the 11th hsusars and whatever shit units followed them

The thing is the issues that occured in the crimean war as a result of the long peace and and purchasing of commisions were nothign comapred to the hideous issues that occured in india as a result of promotion due to seniority and a similar long peace. Without the purchase system and a regular culling of officers a seniority only system results in a lot of old and unexpereinced officers across all ranks. The british purchase system allowed older officers a useful way to cash out into retirement.

The british pruchase system was no where near as terrible as people make out, it was heavily seniority based and any role that required any real technical/professional training was excluded from the system. Also in time of war it allowed a fairly rapid method of letting chair bound and cowardly officers get out from everyone else's feet. Plus it made perfect sense compared msot of the other mechanisms in palce across the world at the time.

[Kouralia]

charge of the light brigade brought much needed glory and honour to the 11th hsusars and whatever shit units followed them

The thing is the issues that occured in the crimean war as a result of the long peace and and purchasing of commisions were nothign comapred to the hideous issues that occured in india as a result of promotion due to seniority and a similar long peace. Without the purchase system and a regular culling of officers a seniority only system results in a lot of old and unexpereinced officers across all ranks. The british purchase system allowed older officers a useful way to cash out into retirement.

The british pruchase system was no where near as terrible as people make out, it was heavily seniority based and any role that required any real technical/professional training was excluded from the system. Also in time of war it allowed a fairly rapid method of letting chair bound and cowardly officers get out from everyone else's feet. Plus it made perfect sense compared msot of the other mechanisms in palce across the world at the time.

Also, IIRC only ~1/6 of the men going into the Valley of Death were killede, and a total casualty count of 1/3.

Which is pretty damned good for such a fuck up.

[Yukonastan]

Best way to airdrop a tank

Also, Mitheldalondian ground forces advance with this playing.

Going back to this, can anyone tell me without a doubt exactly what's being dropped in that scene?
Edit: Looks like an M8 Buford.

[Imperializt Russia]

The thing is the issues that occured in the crimean war as a result of the long peace and and purchasing of commisions were nothign comapred to the hideous issues that occured in india as a result of promotion due to seniority and a similar long peace. Without the purchase system and a regular culling of officers a seniority only system results in a lot of old and unexpereinced officers across all ranks. The british purchase system allowed older officers a useful way to cash out into retirement.

The british pruchase system was no where near as terrible as people make out, it was heavily seniority based and any role that required any real technical/professional training was excluded from the system. Also in time of war it allowed a fairly rapid method of letting chair bound and cowardly officers get out from everyone else's feet. Plus it made perfect sense compared msot of the other mechanisms in palce across the world at the time.

Also, IIRC only ~1/6 of the men going into the Valley of Death were killede, and a total casualty count of 1/3.

Which is pretty damned good for such a fuck up.

Isn't that quite close to what we would today consider a routed unit?

[Kouralia]

Also, IIRC only ~1/6 of the men going into the Valley of Death were killede, and a total casualty count of 1/3.

Which is pretty damned good for such a fuck up.

Isn't that quite close to what we would today consider a routed unit?

IIRC they reached their objective, broke the cannons and the crews, and were forced to withdraw by Russian cavalry because what's-his-face had refrained from advancing his heavy brigade.

I'm not saying it was an inspired success, but to imply it was a massacre from which you were lucky to escape is just fallacious.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Reposting because I got bottom-of-the-paged, but how would most APS systems on tanks or heavy armor fare against an AGM-65, Kh-25, or similar missile?
(with warheads above 200lbs+)

[Rich and Corporations]

Also, IIRC only ~1/6 of the men going into the Valley of Death were killede, and a total casualty count of 1/3.

Which is pretty damned good for such a fuck up.

Isn't that quite close to what we would today consider a routed unit?

today a routed unit would be 20%, i think

[Santa Agua]

Flakvierling 38 as a anti-infantry weapon, for third world hellhole bunkers that apparently have old German equipment. Yes or no?

[Inyourfaceistan]

Flakvierling 38 as a anti-infantry weapon, for third world hellhole bunkers that apparently have old German equipment. Yes or no?

Also against light vehicles, if that's what I had readily available then sure.

[Yukonastan]

Flakvierling 38 as a anti-infantry weapon, for third world hellhole bunkers that apparently have old German equipment. Yes or no?

In Op Just Cause the VADS gavins were used for ground support. Problem I can see would be with ammunition for your guns, since you only have twenty rounds per magazine per gun, and since they're relatively far apart for ground support, it's going to be an area denial weapon by nature.

[Questers]

140mm guns were becoming a real thing towards the end of the Cold War.

All the major NATO powers have or had 140mm gun test beds (The AMX Leclerc was built to have a 140mm dropped in when, if, the transition from 120mm to 140mm happens IRL, US still operates its 140mm M1 testbed, Germany has theirs in storage because 2poor.)

Russians dropped in a 152mm gun into a T-80 testbed and planned for 152mm armed whatever T-9X series blah blah black eagle tankus.

There were some not insubstantial problems with the 140-mm guns that weren't fixed before they were abandoned.

As for penetration - I've come to agree with Sumer's analysis that the Western munitions can penetrate the T-80/T-90 where and when required, minus reactives (I suppose.) I am not convinced they can do the same in return. But tank penetration is non-binary and damage is nearly just as important.

[Padnak]

Flakvierling 38 as a anti-infantry weapon, for third world hellhole bunkers that apparently have old German equipment. Yes or no?

I'd use this myself-

[The Kievan People]

Flakvierling 38 as a anti-infantry weapon, for third world hellhole bunkers that apparently have old German equipment. Yes or no?

What, they don't have MG42s?

[Legatia]

Going to use an EMP to take out a relatively large city's air defense capabilities. However, there are nearby friendly forces that I don't want hurt. I know HEMP or NEMP EMPs are not a safe option for this situation, what other methods could I use?

[The Greater Luthorian Empire]

Going to use an EMP to take out a relatively large city's air defense capabilities. However, there are nearby friendly forces that I don't want hurt. I know HEMP or NEMP EMPs are not a safe option for this situation, what other methods could I use?

Well EMPs probably wouldn't work well anyway since most military hardware is hardened against EMPs.

[Oaledonia]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMT-7
Is there a NATO version?

[Tule]

Going to use an EMP to take out a relatively large city's air defense capabilities. However, there are nearby friendly forces that I don't want hurt. I know HEMP or NEMP EMPs are not a safe option for this situation, what other methods could I use?

Well EMPs probably wouldn't work well anyway since most military hardware is hardened against EMPs.

EMP is mainly a risk to large networks.

Embedded systems in objects not connected to said networks are not very vulnerable to EMP. Cell phones, Radios and most land vehicles are pretty safe. Radar stations, Land-line telephone systems and national power grids are the most vulnerable

[Legatia]

Well EMPs probably wouldn't work well anyway since most military hardware is hardened against EMPs.

EMP is mainly a risk to large networks.

Embedded systems in objects not connected to said networks are not very vulnerable to EMP. Cell phones, Radios and most land vehicles are pretty safe. Radar stations, Land-line telephone systems and national power grids are the most vulnerable

If I can take out the radar, then anti-aircraft won't have tracking systems, so that is a good objective to take out.

[Auroya]

EMP is mainly a risk to large networks.

Embedded systems in objects not connected to said networks are not very vulnerable to EMP. Cell phones, Radios and most land vehicles are pretty safe. Radar stations, Land-line telephone systems and national power grids are the most vulnerable

If I can take out the radar, then anti-aircraft won't have tracking systems, so that is a good objective to take out.

They'll have infrared, though it isn't much good for longer-range engagements.

[Spirit of Hope]

EMP is mainly a risk to large networks.

Embedded systems in objects not connected to said networks are not very vulnerable to EMP. Cell phones, Radios and most land vehicles are pretty safe. Radar stations, Land-line telephone systems and national power grids are the most vulnerable

If I can take out the radar, then anti-aircraft won't have tracking systems, so that is a good objective to take out.

There aren't really large scale EMPs, outside of nuclear devices, that you could use. Using Nuclear devices to get that effect would not be the wisest, and a High Altitude detonation would likely hit your friendly troops.

[Purpelia]

Speaking of radar though. How much effect would there actually be if we assume that the air defense network is being run as it should? Under normal conditions most radar units won't be on after all. You only turn them on to track and shoot something down once your other assets have spotted it.

[Mitheldalond]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMT-7
Is there a NATO version?

I looked into it awhile back and didn't find one. Though that doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exist.

[Tule]

Question: How limiting would it be if my mechanized force was only made up of APC's, MBT's and maybe SPG's? I find all the different types of mechanized vehicles and niche roles they fulfill really frustrating to wrap my head around.

I'm planning on RPing an Island country of 4 million or so with universal conscription.

[Spirit of Hope]

Question: How limiting would it be if my mechanized force was only made up of APC's, MBT's and maybe SPG's? I find all the different types of mechanized vehicles and niche roles they fulfill really frustrating to wrap my head around.

I'm planning on RPing an Island country of 4 million or so with universal conscription.

You shouldn't be to badly hampered, considering your nation is going to be smaller it wouldn't be that bad to limit yourself to a small number of vehicles to reduce costs.

[Roski]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMT-7
Is there a NATO version?

Not for ground warfare, no.
But I found this:
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_displ ... d=337&ct=2