Your Nation's Air Force Mark II:

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Is your carrier for biplanes?

Pre-SCB-125 Essex-class.

That frankly sucks. Almost as much as HMS "Invincible". Rip RN. Rip cva-01.

The French are able to operate E-2s from Charles de Gaulle.

:using the CdG as an example for anything positive:

Ralentir Travaux :3
Srsly though. How the fuck did it take almost a decade between launching and commissioning?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Pre-SCB-125 Essex-class.

You're using no modern aircraft then.

He could use LolHarrier, just like RN's LolAircraft Cruiser HMS Invincible. But then again I suppose :gallia: never considered the Harrier anything approaching "modern".

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

On what ships?

If you can afford to spam "helicopter" carriers that weigh as much as a WWII aircraft carrier, you can take a different approach.

Type 55 Class

Akizuki 2010 Class

Wasp Class

Arleigh Burke Class

CSword 90 Class

Ford Class

San Antonio Class

Freedom Class


I figured the SH/MH60 would operate from Arleigh Burkes, Land Bases, and Ford Class, Akizuki Class, CSword 90, Ford, while the AW101 would mostly be from Freedom Class, Wasp, and San Antonio.

Wai u have three air defence escorts and two corvettes (well a corvette and a mine countermeasures ship)?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Type 55 is large enough to be a cruiser, and is decent in land attack.

Arleigh Burke is general purpose

akizuki is an air defense escort

Freedom Class is actually for mine countermeasures

CSword is really a coastal defense corvette

Akizuki isn't really designed for air defense, it has basic point air defense capability, not area air defense capability like Arleigh Burke or Type 45. It's a lighter, cheaper supplement to the more expensive Arleigh Burke variants, allowing them to focus on the wider tactical picture.

Type 055 is the "new" and very much still imaginary Chinese cruiser-destroyer project.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Dump the flamethrower and replace with provision for incendiary bombs. You'll never hit anyone from altitude with a flamethrower before somebody from the ground hits you with AAA or an Igla.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>piston engine

ur a piston engine

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Since we've only got 25 Pages left I think we should put some thought into the next thread. There's two ways to chose the new op. I could directly appoint a successor to be OP as Amerikians did in the prior thread
(Assuming the mods would allow it), or we could use the normal nomination/election system other threads use.

Since the normal nomination/election system turns into a circlejerk anyway...

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So is the A-12 just complete junk? I wanted a dedicated attack aircraft for my carriers and the A--12 seemed like a good choice. X-47C maybe?

You're looking for a modern A-6 too?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Leaving out that the US Navy doesn't know how stealth works, the Northrop A-12 was just the better choice from a "it actually works" standpoint.

ATA is a good example of how poor communication between entities (the US Navy and USAF, Northrop, Lockheed, and the GD/MD team) kills a procurement program.

The best attack aircraft would be AFX probably.

Pic of the AFX if some are curious.





Although it is fascinating that if the AFX program went ahead, we would have never seen the JSF F-35.

And the world would've been better. :3

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

How bout the Mig-31?

It's a heavy interceptor, it's not designed to fight other fighters in close combat like the F-16.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Scrap the Kuznetsov. Buy a CATOBAR carrier. Acquire Attack Super Tomcat 21.

Ohaidere Mr. "A-4 is best fiter ever".

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Ohaidere Mr. "A-4 is best fiter ever".

It is, darnit.

Of all the probable Sea Cat/Blowpipe mentions in here:

[a48] - A-4B Skyhawk of FAA Grupo 5 shot down over San Carlos Water by unknown SAM (1.50 pm). Claims that day include "Broadsword" Sea Wolf, "Antelope" Sea Cat, and land-based Rapiers and Blowpipe. Lt Guadagnini killed.
[a53] - A-4C Skyhawk of FAA Grupo 4 damaged over San Carlos Water by ship and ground-based air defences and crashed into King George Bay, West Falkland on flight home (1.30 pm). Claims that day include "Argonaut" and "Fearless" Sea Cat, and Rapier and Blowpipe SAM's. Lt Bono lost.
[a55] - A-4C Skyhawk of FAA Grupo 4 destroyed over San Carlos Water by a variety of weapons, claims including small arms fire, "Yarmouth" Sea Cat, and Rapier and Blowpipe SAM's (12.30 pm). Lt Lucero ejected.

I'm not even gonna say anything... if you're hit by a first generation radio command MCLOS MANPADS which is guided by a tommy from Yorkshire or whatever trying to fly his missile into you... or a subsonic surface-to-air missile from the 50's that's guided by the mk. 1 eyeball and a joystick...

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Of all the probable Sea Cat/Blowpipe mentions in here:

I'm not even gonna say anything... if you're hit by a first generation radio command MCLOS MANPADS which is guided by a tommy from Yorkshire or whatever trying to fly his missile into you... or a subsonic surface-to-air missile from the 50's that's guided by the mk. 1 eyeball and a joystick...

So? Any aircraft can get shot down by a MANPADS, even a Blowpipe with a little luck. The A-4 was a 25 year old design by that point. The A-10 was vulnerable to all sorts of anti-aircraft systems 25 years into its life, yet people still fawn over it today.

>Blowpipe
>A little luck.
Huehuehue.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

EXCUSE ME! But I don't do fantasy games, and I'm using my knowledge of the laws of physics to make it effective as best I can!

Oh The Humility!
Plasma engines won't be militarily available until 2050, possibly even 2100.
Harrier is a shitty compromise plane born out of the disaster zone that was the British aviation industry post-BAC TSR 2.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

No thx.. all I need now is for some one to sell me the blueprints to the draken.

As an ex-importer of it, we traded them for Viggens (well tried, then we got P1216/F-14/Tornado) at the first opportunity, because J35's are a no go vs Fulcrums and Flankers, both of which we expected to face in the ultimate Przemysl/Battle of Galicia <.<. Who are you expecting to defend your airspace from?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

How reasonable would it be to turn the SR-71 Black Bird into a tactical bomber? I know that it is one of the fastest recon planes built, What changes would have to be done to turn it into a bomber? How much speed would it lose with the addition of a small bomb bay?

Well... your bombs would take half an hour to land 10 km's apart (or break up in mid air because they're not gonna go mach 3). It's much more advisable to just toss cruise missiles with it.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Being slower is an obvious detriment.

True, but a a B-2 (or global hawk or U-2) can loiter over an area for hours and hours on end which is very useful for ISR. SR-71 would be like a detective speeding past someone's house and taking a quick drive-by snapshot, B-2 or U-2 would be like parking across the street with a video camera.

To correct this analogy an SR-71 would be like the detective getting the license plate read of his target vehicle while photographing from a moving car travelling in the next city.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Well yes.
But I was more looking at numbers for fun.

Starting prelim work on designing a carrier, which means I need to decide an airwing.

Naval jaguars, p.1216s and Bae 146s for COD ;)

Hands off the FAA Royal "Air Farce"! :3

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Some of it seems right but there is a lot of stuff that is way off:

Your tornado picture is way off, if you want the Air defence version 9which carried skyflash and latterly AMRAMM then you want a pic of an RAF F.3, if you actually want the groudn attack (IDS) versiosn then a german one is fine.

The PC-9 isn't a "scout" its a trainer, for tactical recce your F-16s(or tornados if using the IDS version) would be the aircraft of choice with a recce pod mounted.

Victors are pretty much out as they are far far too old and even when used gently as tankers they had used up all thier flying hours.

The WB-57 isn't supersonic or a bomber and is only debatably a recon plane. Yes they were sued in afghanistan but for ground/terrain mapping and as flying coms hubs. Yes you could fit a decent recce package but the last Canberras to be used in this role were the now retired RAF PR.9s.

I Figured the PC9 was however Slovenia uses it for? I have no idea what but that's where I got the basis for using it. Victors are old but I figured you could update or make a modern version (possibly?) and I didn't want to use a B52 because every one and their mother would probably use it and the Russian Bomber just looks bleh. WB-57 is definitely not supersonic again I figured modding the crap out of it cause I don't know much about the U2 ad the SR71 just seems expensive and outdated. Titan II old and outdated however I figured again making a modernized version that could potentially deliver the same payload as a Peace Keeper, as long as nobody restricts me, and rename it the Titan III.

WB-57 is more outdated than either U-2 or SR-71. The airframe is if we go by gayla's opinion 40's era while both U-2 and SR-71 50-60's. It is also far, far less survivable than both. Vulcan > Victor.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Is this the notoriuous "defense issues" blog?

>BVR is myth
>radar is useless
>stealth is overrated
>F-22 sucks
>F-35 sucks
>LCS sucks
>M1 abrams sucks

100% Sprey approved

Also lots of complaints about PGMs like JDAM being worthless.

I guess this is because dem Sprey'ites still lives in the early 1960's?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Ideal Sprey air force:

4,000 F-5 "air supeirty fighters"
10,000 A-10s for CAS
1,000 OV-10s for FAC

win every war guaranteed

And then somebody brings F-15's and all the F-5's die like MiG-21's. :3

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Because E-3 Sentry is ancient.

What aircraft isn't though? Besides F35 *looks of annoyance* F-16s. A-10s. B-52s all old

There's always E-767 but that's prolly irrelevant since we're looking for carrier-compatible aircraft.

[Awesomeland]

Our nation's airforce is primarily composed of various types of bombers and ground attack craft, and air-superiority and interceptor drones. Manned fighters have been increasingly phased out: As it turns out, we've never actually performed any air-to-air shoot downs in a foreign conflict. Our military thinkers therefore regard the notion of aerial dogfights with manned fighters and interceptors as obsolete and there is no traditional inertia to maintain this. We simply believe that autonomous and semi-autonomous drones perform the function of air superiority better than human pilots, as they don't get squashed into paste when performing high-G maneuvers.

[Axis Nova]

Is it best to have a swept wing or delta wing for a fighter?

Nobody uses swept wings anymore unless they are using a variable geometry (swing wing system) which basically acts as a delta in the swept position.

Pretty much since the 1970s most fighter aircraft have used some kind of delta configuration be it a pure delta (i.e. mirage 200), Canard Delta (typhoon/rafale), cropped/modified tailed delta (basically the Mig-29, Su-27, F-15 anmd F-16 are all variations on the cropped/modified tailed delta theme) or even a trapezoidal winged aircraft (like the F-22).

Your question has more impact if we are talking the 1950s and early 60s


For a modern fighter you are probabaly looking at a canard delta or some sort of trapezoidal wing arrangement depending on how important stealth is vs cost, manouverability payload and what construction techniques are availble to you.

Nobody uses swing wings anymore either, at least not on new aircraft. Damn things are incredibly maintenance intensive.

[Axis Nova]

I honestly thought that was a tilt rotor for a sec.