Your Nation's Air Force Mark II:

[Rabbidskiya Republika]

I forgot that the GAU is that big, so I will be cutting those. The reason i put thrust as classified is because I haven't figured up a number for that yet. And the MOAB Class bomb is also going to be cut. There are 6 Hardpoints, 3 per wing. The EMP Bomb is designed to cripple electronics within a small city and fits within the bomb bay, which is about 6 feet in length. The Hidden Missile compartments only hold 1 Missile each, and there are 2 of them. 1 per side. The speeds are high because it is supposed to be stupidly fast.

Personally, I'd consider leaving the EMP-bombing of cities to cruise and ballistic missiles. Strike aircraft with those weapons should be targeting the command network and air defences of large formations.

Sure it would reduce drag, but would make it bigger and add a lot of weight, which un-does the gains by the reduction in drag.

Edit: the MiG-25 is capable of mach 3 IRL, and the cruising speed is actually "super cruise".

The MiG-25 is also neither a stealth aircraft nor a fighter. It's a big, heavy interceptor. By the time you're pushing Mach 3, the thermal bloom of your engine signature and probably heating of your airframe will be colossal.

When you go past the sound barrier, drag is an enormous limit posed. I'd feel comfortable suggesting that removing external hardpoints would easily bring benefits outweighing the greater internal volume.
In any case, eliminating the external hardpoints will do wonders for your stealth capabilities.

Cruise missiles? Our air force have exactly zero cruise missiles. Those are for the navy. EMP Ballistic missiles are a choice, but are used only by the army. So... our Air Force uses EMP Bombs.

[Organized States]

Personally, I'd consider leaving the EMP-bombing of cities to cruise and ballistic missiles. Strike aircraft with those weapons should be targeting the command network and air defences of large formations.
The MiG-25 is also neither a stealth aircraft nor a fighter. It's a big, heavy interceptor. By the time you're pushing Mach 3, the thermal bloom of your engine signature and probably heating of your airframe will be colossal.

When you go past the sound barrier, drag is an enormous limit posed. I'd feel comfortable suggesting that removing external hardpoints would easily bring benefits outweighing the greater internal volume.
In any case, eliminating the external hardpoints will do wonders for your stealth capabilities.

Cruise missiles? Our air force have exactly zero cruise missiles. Those are for the navy. EMP Ballistic missiles are a choice, but are used only by the army. So... our Air Force uses EMP Bombs.

No offensive, but your organization isn't the best here. Your Air Force, will most-likely need Cruise Missiles, eventually (especially if you're into RPing, trust me, those come in handy).

[Padnak]

No offensive, but your organization isn't the best here. Your Air Force, will most-likely need Cruise Missiles, eventually (especially if you're into RPing, trust me, those come in handy).

*grumbes about my destroyed airbases*

[Crookfur]

I assume you are using compound/unloaded rotor system here hence the large wings (only way to get thta many hard points would be HUGE wings), the max speed thats for all practical purposes impossible for a pure helicopter (the 400kph record set by the lynx is pretty much unbeatable due to the nastiness of retreating blade stall) and that rnage for soemthign that seems to be heavily Mi-28 based.

I'll lower the range down by a bunch, along with the max speed

I was planning on having it be a conventional helicopter, but if the number of hardpoints is to great for that I can make some adjustments[/quote]

Yeah for an attack helicopter you proabbaly aren't looking at a max speed more than 270-320kph. hard points even three on each stub wing is quite a lot (unless the third is a tip mount or soem other kind of reduced capability mount). Using stub wings that are reaosnably large and offer a reaosnable amoutn of lift would give you the ability to use three full hard points, the paylaod to need them and a little bit extra atraight line speed at the expense of issues with manouverability i.e. the same effects as the Hind's wings.

using the mi-28 is a reasonable starting poiint for a heavy gunship but you need to think how your aircraft differs to it and what effect that would have on the aircraft's specs.

[Padnak]

Yeah for an attack helicopter you proabbaly aren't looking at a max speed more than 270-320kph. hard points even three on each stub wing is quite a lot (unless the third is a tip mount or soem other kind of reduced capability mount). Using stub wings that are reaosnably large and offer a reaosnable amoutn of lift would give you the ability to use three full hard points, the paylaod to need them and a little bit extra atraight line speed at the expense of issues with manouverability i.e. the same effects as the Hind's wings.

using the mi-28 is a reasonable starting poiint for a heavy gunship but you need to think how your aircraft differs to it and what effect that would have on the aircraft's specs.

All noted

The main thing different about my helicopter and the Mi-28 is that this helicopter is supposed to be simpler in terms of electronics and without the small internal crew compartment

Because padnak doesn't have any real need for a flying tank hunter like most attack helicopters developed in the cold war are and doesn't have the capabilities to build a super stealthy "look how cool I am with my 2 billion a unit price tag" helicopter I was aiming to make a budget attack helicopter thats simple to maintain, cheep to produce and can support ground forces in jungle combat

I already use a sizable number of armed Mi-8s and Mi-17s, but I was aiming to create a dedicated attack helicopter- if only for a national pride type affair

[Bratislavskaya]

Yeah for an attack helicopter you proabbaly aren't looking at a max speed more than 270-320kph. hard points even three on each stub wing is quite a lot (unless the third is a tip mount or soem other kind of reduced capability mount). Using stub wings that are reaosnably large and offer a reaosnable amoutn of lift would give you the ability to use three full hard points, the paylaod to need them and a little bit extra atraight line speed at the expense of issues with manouverability i.e. the same effects as the Hind's wings.

using the mi-28 is a reasonable starting poiint for a heavy gunship but you need to think how your aircraft differs to it and what effect that would have on the aircraft's specs.

All noted

The main thing different about my helicopter and the Mi-28 is that this helicopter is supposed to be simpler in terms of electronics and without the small internal crew compartment

Because padnak doesn't have any real need for a flying tank hunter like most attack helicopters developed in the cold war are and doesn't have the capabilities to build a super stealthy "look how cool I am with my 2 billion a unit price tag" helicopter I was aiming to make a budget attack helicopter thats simple to maintain, cheep to produce and can support ground forces in jungle combat

I already use a sizable number of armed Mi-8s and Mi-17s, but I was aiming to create a dedicated attack helicopter- if only for a national pride type affair

Do a Mi-8 or 17 mod, or some kind of Ka-27 thing with guns. Thats my suggestion.

[New Vihenia]

I have figured out some specs for the F-27D DevastatorStealth, and would like to know how feasable it would be as an Multi-role Single Seat Stealth Fighter.
Hughes AN/APG71 Radar (licence built)

stealth and mechanically scanned planar array radar don't mix well. You will have quite a signature coming from the structural edges of your antenna when it got illuminated by enemy radar.

Electronically scanned array is a must if you wish radar signature reduction, that's the way you can scan the airspace while having luxury of absorbers mounted around your antenna.

[Imperializt Russia]

Yeah for an attack helicopter you proabbaly aren't looking at a max speed more than 270-320kph. hard points even three on each stub wing is quite a lot (unless the third is a tip mount or soem other kind of reduced capability mount). Using stub wings that are reaosnably large and offer a reaosnable amoutn of lift would give you the ability to use three full hard points, the paylaod to need them and a little bit extra atraight line speed at the expense of issues with manouverability i.e. the same effects as the Hind's wings.

using the mi-28 is a reasonable starting poiint for a heavy gunship but you need to think how your aircraft differs to it and what effect that would have on the aircraft's specs.

All noted

The main thing different about my helicopter and the Mi-28 is that this helicopter is supposed to be simpler in terms of electronics and without the small internal crew compartment

Because padnak doesn't have any real need for a flying tank hunter like most attack helicopters developed in the cold war are and doesn't have the capabilities to build a super stealthy "look how cool I am with my 2 billion a unit price tag" helicopter I was aiming to make a budget attack helicopter thats simple to maintain, cheep to produce and can support ground forces in jungle combat

I already use a sizable number of armed Mi-8s and Mi-17s, but I was aiming to create a dedicated attack helicopter- if only for a national pride type affair

Eh, costs are overstated. The WAH-64, which as in effect a very limited production run, cost a mere £67mn an airframe, with £4bn for the full programme of ~67 aircraft. Other unit cost figures are as low as £35mn, for whatever reason. This is basically the choice between a Eurofighter or a high-end F-15 mod.

[Crookfur]

Yeah for an attack helicopter you proabbaly aren't looking at a max speed more than 270-320kph. hard points even three on each stub wing is quite a lot (unless the third is a tip mount or soem other kind of reduced capability mount). Using stub wings that are reaosnably large and offer a reaosnable amoutn of lift would give you the ability to use three full hard points, the paylaod to need them and a little bit extra atraight line speed at the expense of issues with manouverability i.e. the same effects as the Hind's wings.

using the mi-28 is a reasonable starting poiint for a heavy gunship but you need to think how your aircraft differs to it and what effect that would have on the aircraft's specs.

All noted

The main thing different about my helicopter and the Mi-28 is that this helicopter is supposed to be simpler in terms of electronics and without the small internal crew compartment

Because padnak doesn't have any real need for a flying tank hunter like most attack helicopters developed in the cold war are and doesn't have the capabilities to build a super stealthy "look how cool I am with my 2 billion a unit price tag" helicopter I was aiming to make a budget attack helicopter thats simple to maintain, cheep to produce and can support ground forces in jungle combat

I already use a sizable number of armed Mi-8s and Mi-17s, but I was aiming to create a dedicated attack helicopter- if only for a national pride type affair

The you really want an IAR Airfox or similar i.e. some thing based off the power train/rotor system of a light to medium utility design (preferably from the lighter end). The whole point of big heavy things like the Mi-28 is to use heavy electronics and big ass antitank missiles.

basing it off the Ansat/Mi-34/Ka-126/226/115/W-3 (pick based on age of the program, availbility and sexiness to you) would let you come up with something unique without havign to take a big expensive helicopter and try to crave bits off it.

[Padnak]

going to work on my attack helicopter-

Thoughts on the Chinese WZ-10?

unrelated question: whats the advantage/ is it even possible to have attack helicopters with twin ducted fans? You see them all the time in sci fi and I was wondering if could even work

[Rabbidskiya Republika]

going to work on my attack helicopter-

Thoughts on the Chinese WZ-10?

unrelated question: whats the advantage/ is it even possible to have attack helicopters with twin ducted fans? You see them all the time in sci fi and I was wondering if could even work

I think ducted fans are possible, but would need new, specially designed technology to work.

[Yukonastan]

going to work on my attack helicopter-

Thoughts on the Chinese WZ-10?

unrelated question: whats the advantage/ is it even possible to have attack helicopters with twin ducted fans? You see them all the time in sci fi and I was wondering if could even work

I think ducted fans are possible, but would need new, specially designed technology to work.

Such as two contrarotating fans per duct, with each duct tilting. I'm assuming you've been inspired by this?

[New Vihenia]

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I think ducted fans are possible, but would need new, specially designed technology to work.

They work.. see Doak VZ-4 hmm but somewhat inefficient compared to open rotor of helicopters or tiltrotors.

[Padnak]

I think ducted fans are possible, but would need new, specially designed technology to work.

Such as two contrarotating fans per duct, with each duct tilting. I'm assuming you've been inspired by this?

I was, that thing is cool as hell

I'm not planning on using them for my attach helicopter, I was just wondering if they were possible-

[Triplebaconation]

Today's sci-fi (ESPECIALLY NS "PMT") is just a lame version of the 60s.

[The Soodean Imperium]

Today's sci-fi (ESPECIALLY NS "PMT") is just a lame version of the 60s.

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I Want To Believe

[Gallia-]

Today's sci-fi (ESPECIALLY NS "PMT") is just a lame version of the 60s.

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bitch please those arent even shillelaghs

or are they?

cuz that would own

[Gingeska]

Combat Fixed Wing Aircraft:

MŚ.29 (MiG-29)
Air-Superiority Fighter used by Air Force


MŚ.23 (Mig-23)
Multi-Role Fighter used by Air Force and Navy


SZ.22 (Su-22)
Ground/Surface attack aircraft used by Air Force and Navy.
Sometimes equipped with napalm bombs.


BB.80/SZ.88 (Tu-95)
Bomber used by Air Force
Sz.88 is a gunship version of the BB.80

For more details and planes go to link below.
http://republicofgingeska.webs.com/air-force

[Oaledonia]

The F-16 was designed as an air superiority fighter for WVR scenarios. It was based on lessons learned from the F-4's performance in Vietnam. F-15 was designed in a similar vein, but as an interceptor with less inherent maneuverability.

The F-16 only became a multirole when NATO planners forgot that BVR warfare is sci-fi horseshit and not reality.

[New Vihenia]

Behold.. our Orca Bomber

Orca Bomber

[Organized States]

Would the HO-18 Amerika bomber hold any significant advantages (other than bomb load or speed) over contemporary, long-range bombers such as the B-36?

[Rich and Corporations]

http://xbradtc.com/2014/07/13/israeli-p ... den-drone/

Hamas is sent a drone... laden with explosives... I guess that's a missile.

[Triplebaconation]

If it has a propeller the correct term is "aerial torpedo."

[Actria]

So I'm looking to basically design my air force's fighter component from like 1960 to the present day.

Democratic country, modeled on Italy and Turkey militarily, with much domestic heavy industry for production of STRONK indie jets. As of about 1960, our fighters are all F-89 Scorpions, so of course, must into jet fighter. I want a plausible design lineage (they don't have to be actually related, just visually similar to their predecessors, multirole fighterceptors all the way up the line- that is, some kind of air to ground capability with ASF as primary focus and mission- and twin engines. Two-seaters not required, not banned either.

I want to start from the Freedom Fighter, because it's god tier, and go from there. MiG-25? Tornado? F/A-18? F-15?! MiG-23?!?

HALP

[Transnapastain]

So I'm looking to basically design my air force's fighter component from like 1960 to the present day.

Democratic country, modeled on Italy and Turkey militarily, with much domestic heavy industry for production of STRONK indie jets. As of about 1960, our fighters are all F-89 Scorpions, so of course, must into jet fighter. I want a plausible design lineage (they don't have to be actually related, just visually similar to their predecessors, multirole fighterceptors all the way up the line- that is, some kind of air to ground capability with ASF as primary focus and mission- and twin engines. Two-seaters not required, not banned either.

I want to start from the Freedom Fighter, because it's god tier, and go from there. MiG-25? Tornado? F/A-18? F-15?! MiG-23?!?

HALP

How are any of those

visually similar

to the F-5? The F/A-18 maybe sorta? Also, MiG-25 isn't a multirole fighter...I don't think the MiG-23 counts as such either. Not that there weren't ground attack versions, but it was always intended for A2A, as I understand it.

Either way, it doesn't matter, from the F-5, you obviously go to the F-20. Screw your twin engine requirement.

Also, you could use the Ching-kuo, though its not really as stronk as the F-16, by all appearances. It does have twin engines though.

Also, why not consider the Typhoon or Rafale.

You could probably go F-5 ---> F-20 or Ching-kuo ---->Typhoon or Rafale...if you can get over the last ones not really looking like the others...which is utterly unimportant to technological advancement anyways.