Your Nation's Air Force Mark II:

[Padnak]

I assume you are using compound/unloaded rotor system here hence the large wings (only way to get thta many hard points would be HUGE wings), the max speed thats for all practical purposes impossible for a pure helicopter (the 400kph record set by the lynx is pretty much unbeatable due to the nastiness of retreating blade stall) and that rnage for soemthign that seems to be heavily Mi-28 based.[/quote]

I'll lower the range down by a bunch, along with the max speed

I was planning on having it be a conventional helicopter, but if the number of hardpoints is to great for that I can make some adjustments

[Organized States]

Manned aircraft will likely be mostly gone (with the exception for control aircraft).

Most likely the B-3 will be a twin-engine flying wing with a family resemblance to the B-2, since it will be built by Northrop-Grumman. It's entirely possible that it's reached hardware or flight stage already and most of the concepts seen so far are a smokescreen. It will be "optionally-manned" just like the F-35 - i.e., manned.

Ah yes, I forgot about optionally manned (Thanks!), I agree, it's probably pretty far along in Deep Black, probably.

[Rabbidskiya Republika]

I have figured out some specs for the F-27D DevastatorStealth, and would like to know how feasable it would be as an Multi-role Single Seat Stealth Fighter.

Specifications:

StormningAviatik F-27D DevastatorStealth

Top speed: Mach 3.01
Cruising speed: Mach 2.17
Combat range: 1210 km
Service ceiling: 17111 metres
Rate of climb: >50000 ft/min

Equipment:
Hughes AN/APG71 Radar (licence built)

2 StormningAviatik VXS99H Jet engines with Thrust Vectoring and Variable Geometry Intake/Exhaust Ports. Thrust output is classified.

StormningAviatik EW-system

Weaponry:

1x20mm M61 Vulcan 6-barrel Gatling Cannon

2x30mm GAU-81A Avenger Gatling Cannon

Internal bomb and missile compartments

External hardpoints for mounting bombs, missiles, etc.

Carriable Armaments:

MX-77 Unguided Rocket Pods
AGM-65 Maverick Air to Ground Missile
AIM-9 Sidewinder
AIM-7 Sparrow
AIM-54 Phoenix Air to Air Missile
Unguided "dumb" bombs
XAA-1 Arrow Air to Air Missile
VVT-A1 Laser Guided Bomb
EM-17u EMP Bomb (Smart Bomb)
V-77 MOAB Class bomb
CA-19 Bunker Buster
A-98 Nuclear Bunker Buster

[Spirit of Hope]

I have figured out some specs for the F-27D DevastatorStealth, and would like to know how feasable it would be as an Multi-role Single Seat Stealth Fighter.

Specifications:

StormningAviatik F-27D DevastatorStealth

Top speed: Mach 3.01
Cruising speed: Mach 2.17
Combat range: 1210 km
Service ceiling: 17111 metres
Rate of climb: >50000 ft/min

Equipment:
Hughes AN/APG71 Radar (licence built)

2 StormningAviatik VXS99H Jet engines with Thrust Vectoring and Variable Geometry Intake/Exhaust Ports. Thrust output is classified.

StormningAviatik EW-system

Weaponry:

1x20mm M61 Vulcan 6-barrel Gatling Cannon

2x30mm GAU-81A Avenger Gatling Cannon

Internal bomb and missile compartments

External hardpoints for mounting bombs, missiles, etc.

Carriable Armaments:

MX-77 Unguided Rocket Pods
AGM-65 Maverick Air to Ground Missile
AIM-9 Sidewinder
AIM-7 Sparrow
AIM-54 Phoenix Air to Air Missile
Unguided "dumb" bombs
XAA-1 Arrow Air to Air Missile
VVT-A1 Laser Guided Bomb
EM-17u EMP Bomb (Smart Bomb)
V-77 MOAB Class bomb
CA-19 Bunker Buster
A-98 Nuclear Bunker Buster

Why 3 gatling guns? Most modern fighters/multi roles only have one. You are almost certainly never going to use them, and they take up space and mass.

How many hard points does it have?

You do know that external hard points dramatically reduce a stealth profile? And that internal weapons bays increase mass and size, making maneuvering harder?

Plus your speeds seam way off, I'm not an expert but I don't know of any plane that can achieve both that speed and that altitude.

Well one comes to mind but it was an insane recon plane, not a fighter, and it certainly didn't have stealth.

[Rich and Corporations]

Why 3 gatling guns? Most modern fighters/multi roles only have one. You are almost certainly never going to use them, and they take up space and mass.

You forgot to mention that aircraft guns can run out of ammunition in half a minute. Increasing ammunition is a higher priority than increasing number of guns.

[Transnapastain]

I have figured out some specs for the F-27D DevastatorStealth, and would like to know how feasable it would be as an Multi-role Single Seat Stealth Fighter.

Specifications:

StormningAviatik F-27D DevastatorStealth

Top speed: Mach 3.01
Cruising speed: Mach 2.17
Combat range: 1210 km
Service ceiling: 17111 metres
Rate of climb: >50000 ft/min

Equipment:
Hughes AN/APG71 Radar (licence built)

2 StormningAviatik VXS99H Jet engines with Thrust Vectoring and Variable Geometry Intake/Exhaust Ports. Thrust output is classified.

StormningAviatik EW-system

Weaponry:

1x20mm M61 Vulcan 6-barrel Gatling Cannon

2x30mm GAU-81A Avenger Gatling Cannon

Internal bomb and missile compartments

External hardpoints for mounting bombs, missiles, etc.

Carriable Armaments:

MX-77 Unguided Rocket Pods
AGM-65 Maverick Air to Ground Missile
AIM-9 Sidewinder
AIM-7 Sparrow
AIM-54 Phoenix Air to Air Missile
Unguided "dumb" bombs
XAA-1 Arrow Air to Air Missile
VVT-A1 Laser Guided Bomb
EM-17u EMP Bomb (Smart Bomb)
V-77 MOAB Class bomb
CA-19 Bunker Buster
A-98 Nuclear Bunker Buster

Its pretty much not.

Your top speed is too fast, especially given your low service ceiling. Cursing speed is pretty damn high too. The need to be toned way back.

Variable geometry intakes are going to murder our stealth.

You are not getting two GAU-8's (I have to assume GAU-81 is a typo) on a plane...in addition to internal bays, that can carry MOAB....unless you wanted that on the external hardpoint....and in that case, no, and the Vulcan...and calling it a fighter with any degree of correctness.


Pictured: GAU-8

More, even more GAU-8.

Also, for the record, the "classified" stuff is kinda useless. If its been seen by the public, or an intelligence agencies, and some characteristics, such as the weight....the drag on the aircraft, the speed...you could make a good guess to the engines output.

Also, good RPers can't, and won't, refer back to a thread like this and think "Well, now I know all your secrets!" Information posted in these kinds of threads would be treated as "secret IC"

Honestly, posting that something is classified is just useless.

[The Akasha Colony]

Cursing speed is pretty damn high too. The need to be toned way back.

Leave it to the mods to be watching our cursing speed.

[Yukonastan]

Cursing speed is pretty damn high too. The need to be toned way back.

Leave it to the mods to be watching our cursing speed.

Oh, sorry officer. I didn't know how fast I was cursing. I guess I have to pay attention to that more...
IRL: I have yet to be caught speeding, I have yet to speed greater than 10 km/h. But, if I get nabbed, because I'm on a learner's licence, it's straight loss of licence.

[Transnapastain]

You both are about to get mysteriously banned. With as much as I typo, don't you figure if I said "Oh, damn I hit the wrong button" no one would doubt me?

Pretty funny though!

[Licana]

To expand on what Trans posted:

There's nothing technically wrong with the top speed, if your engines have the grunt and your airframe can handle the speed, there's no reason you couldn't reach it. The problem is that most designs that are capable of doing this may not be conducive to making a good fighter.

I can almost certainly say that this will not be your cruising speed, unless you use some kind of weird novel engine design. Typically cruising speed, when talking in regards to aircraft, is where your aircraft will be the most fuel efficient. Even in aircraft with "super cruise" capabilities, their most efficient speed of travel is still subsonic, and should be noted as such. There are exceptions to this rule, but not many, and none that exist for fighters that I know of off the top of my head.

Multi-gun armaments, especially with electric gatling style weapons, and especially² with weapons the size of a GAU-8, are a bad idea in just about every way that something can be a bad idea.

As some further notes, the armaments you can carry are a little wonky. AIM-54s? Maybe, but doubtful. However, I can guarantee you that you aren't going to be able to carry anything called a MOAB on a fighter-sized platform without making a weapon that is a disgrace to that name, even on hardpoints outside of your internal bays. I also doubt you'll see a hugely significant use out of an "EMP bomb" that is carried by a fighter. I think you really need to reign in what this thing is supposed to do. Multirole does not mean "literally every mission profile conceivable."

Beyond that, there really isn't a whole lot of actual, useful information in the specifications that you came up with.

[Yukonastan]

You both are about to get mysteriously banned. With as much as I typo, don't you figure if I said "Oh, damn I hit the wrong button" no one would doubt me?

Pretty funny though!

Nuh! But seriously, we HAVE to joke about something other than any of the below, and your typo presented itself.

1. Giant tanks
2. Dead babies
3. Racism
4. Other politically incorrect stuff

[Transnapastain]

You both are about to get mysteriously banned. With as much as I typo, don't you figure if I said "Oh, damn I hit the wrong button" no one would doubt me?

Pretty funny though!

Nuh! But seriously, we HAVE to joke about something other than any of the below, and your typo presented itself.

1. Giant tanks
2. Dead babies
3. Racism
4. Other politically incorrect stuff

While I was perfectly fine with the joke being made. You could try sticking to the topic instead of continuing on about it.

[Yukonastan]

Nuh! But seriously, we HAVE to joke about something other than any of the below, and your typo presented itself.

1. Giant tanks
2. Dead babies
3. Racism
4. Other politically incorrect stuff

While I was perfectly fine with the joke being made. You could try sticking to the topic instead of continuing on about it.

Alright, what's the difference between the Air Force and the Navy fighter jocks?

The Air Force jocks are so fly they fly.

[Organized States]

I have figured out some specs for the F-27D DevastatorStealth, and would like to know how feasable it would be as an Multi-role Single Seat Stealth Fighter.

Specifications:

StormningAviatik F-27D DevastatorStealth

Top speed: Mach 3.01
Cruising speed: Mach 2.17
Combat range: 1210 km
Service ceiling: 17111 metres
Rate of climb: >50000 ft/min

Equipment:
Hughes AN/APG71 Radar (licence built)

2 StormningAviatik VXS99H Jet engines with Thrust Vectoring and Variable Geometry Intake/Exhaust Ports. Thrust output is classified.

StormningAviatik EW-system

Weaponry:

1x20mm M61 Vulcan 6-barrel Gatling Cannon

2x30mm GAU-81A Avenger Gatling Cannon

Internal bomb and missile compartments

External hardpoints for mounting bombs, missiles, etc.

Carriable Armaments:

MX-77 Unguided Rocket Pods
AGM-65 Maverick Air to Ground Missile
AIM-9 Sidewinder
AIM-7 Sparrow
AIM-54 Phoenix Air to Air Missile
Unguided "dumb" bombs
XAA-1 Arrow Air to Air Missile
VVT-A1 Laser Guided Bomb
EM-17u EMP Bomb (Smart Bomb)
V-77 MOAB Class bomb
CA-19 Bunker Buster
A-98 Nuclear Bunker Buster

Single Seat? MOAB? Fighter? 2 GAU-8s? These do not go together! This thing would be about the size of a B-52 with all that weight. You'd barely reach Mach 0.5, much less Mach 2. The MOAB, I'd get rid of, both of the GAU-8s, and seriously, the AIM-54? I'd go for the AIM-120C or D.

[Rabbidskiya Republika]

I have figured out some specs for the F-27D DevastatorStealth, and would like to know how feasable it would be as an Multi-role Single Seat Stealth Fighter.

Specifications:

StormningAviatik F-27D DevastatorStealth

Top speed: Mach 3.01
Cruising speed: Mach 2.17
Combat range: 1210 km
Service ceiling: 17111 metres
Rate of climb: >50000 ft/min

Equipment:
Hughes AN/APG71 Radar (licence built)

2 StormningAviatik VXS99H Jet engines with Thrust Vectoring and Variable Geometry Intake/Exhaust Ports. Thrust output is classified.

StormningAviatik EW-system

Weaponry:

1x20mm M61 Vulcan 6-barrel Gatling Cannon

2x30mm GAU-81A Avenger Gatling Cannon

Internal bomb and missile compartments

External hardpoints for mounting bombs, missiles, etc.

Carriable Armaments:

MX-77 Unguided Rocket Pods
AGM-65 Maverick Air to Ground Missile
AIM-9 Sidewinder
AIM-7 Sparrow
AIM-54 Phoenix Air to Air Missile
Unguided "dumb" bombs
XAA-1 Arrow Air to Air Missile
VVT-A1 Laser Guided Bomb
EM-17u EMP Bomb (Smart Bomb)
V-77 MOAB Class bomb
CA-19 Bunker Buster
A-98 Nuclear Bunker Buster

Its pretty much not.

Your top speed is too fast, especially given your low service ceiling. Cursing speed is pretty damn high too. The need to be toned way back.

Variable geometry intakes are going to murder our stealth.

You are not getting two GAU-8's (I have to assume GAU-81 is a typo) on a plane...in addition to internal bays, that can carry MOAB....unless you wanted that on the external hardpoint....and in that case, no, and the Vulcan...and calling it a fighter with any degree of correctness.


Pictured: GAU-8

More, even more GAU-8.

Also, for the record, the "classified" stuff is kinda useless. If its been seen by the public, or an intelligence agencies, and some characteristics, such as the weight....the drag on the aircraft, the speed...you could make a good guess to the engines output.

Also, good RPers can't, and won't, refer back to a thread like this and think "Well, now I know all your secrets!" Information posted in these kinds of threads would be treated as "secret IC"

Honestly, posting that something is classified is just useless.

I forgot that the GAU is that big, so I will be cutting those. The reason i put thrust as classified is because I haven't figured up a number for that yet. And the MOAB Class bomb is also going to be cut. There are 6 Hardpoints, 3 per wing. The EMP Bomb is designed to cripple electronics within a small city and fits within the bomb bay, which is about 6 feet in length. The Hidden Missile compartments only hold 1 Missile each, and there are 2 of them. 1 per side. The speeds are high because it is supposed to be stupidly fast.

[Organized States]

Its pretty much not.

Your top speed is too fast, especially given your low service ceiling. Cursing speed is pretty damn high too. The need to be toned way back.

Variable geometry intakes are going to murder our stealth.

You are not getting two GAU-8's (I have to assume GAU-81 is a typo) on a plane...in addition to internal bays, that can carry MOAB....unless you wanted that on the external hardpoint....and in that case, no, and the Vulcan...and calling it a fighter with any degree of correctness.


Pictured: GAU-8

More, even more GAU-8.

Also, for the record, the "classified" stuff is kinda useless. If its been seen by the public, or an intelligence agencies, and some characteristics, such as the weight....the drag on the aircraft, the speed...you could make a good guess to the engines output.

Also, good RPers can't, and won't, refer back to a thread like this and think "Well, now I know all your secrets!" Information posted in these kinds of threads would be treated as "secret IC"

Honestly, posting that something is classified is just useless.

I forgot that the GAU is that big, so I will be cutting those. The reason i put thrust as classified is because I haven't figured up a number for that yet. And the MOAB Class bomb is also going to be cut. There are 6 Hardpoints, 3 per wing. The EMP Bomb is designed to cripple electronics within a small city and fits within the bomb bay, which is about 6 feet in length. The Hidden Missile compartments only hold 1 Missile each, and there are 2 of them. 1 per side. The speeds are high because it is supposed to be stupidly fast.

Another suggestion, if you want it to go stupidly fast, I'd reduce the external hardpoints, and go for all internal, you'd reduce drag, and it'd be easier to go faster.

[Rabbidskiya Republika]

I have figured out some specs for the F-27D DevastatorStealth, and would like to know how feasable it would be as an Multi-role Single Seat Stealth Fighter.

Specifications:

StormningAviatik F-27D DevastatorStealth

Top speed: Mach 3.01
Cruising speed: Mach 2.17
Combat range: 1210 km
Service ceiling: 17111 metres
Rate of climb: >50000 ft/min

Equipment:
Hughes AN/APG71 Radar (licence built)

2 StormningAviatik VXS99H Jet engines with Thrust Vectoring and Variable Geometry Intake/Exhaust Ports. Thrust output is classified.

StormningAviatik EW-system

Weaponry:

1x20mm M61 Vulcan 6-barrel Gatling Cannon

2x30mm GAU-81A Avenger Gatling Cannon

Internal bomb and missile compartments

External hardpoints for mounting bombs, missiles, etc.

Carriable Armaments:

MX-77 Unguided Rocket Pods
AGM-65 Maverick Air to Ground Missile
AIM-9 Sidewinder
AIM-7 Sparrow
AIM-54 Phoenix Air to Air Missile
Unguided "dumb" bombs
XAA-1 Arrow Air to Air Missile
VVT-A1 Laser Guided Bomb
EM-17u EMP Bomb (Smart Bomb)
V-77 MOAB Class bomb
CA-19 Bunker Buster
A-98 Nuclear Bunker Buster

Single Seat? MOAB? Fighter? 2 GAU-8s? These do not go together! This thing would be about the size of a B-52 with all that weight. You'd barely reach Mach 0.5, much less Mach 2. The MOAB, I'd get rid of, both of the GAU-8s, and seriously, the AIM-54? I'd go for the AIM-120C or D.

The GAUs will be cut, so will be the MOAB. I did not know about the AIM-120, that's why it wasn't put. It will be added.

[Rabbidskiya Republika]

I forgot that the GAU is that big, so I will be cutting those. The reason i put thrust as classified is because I haven't figured up a number for that yet. And the MOAB Class bomb is also going to be cut. There are 6 Hardpoints, 3 per wing. The EMP Bomb is designed to cripple electronics within a small city and fits within the bomb bay, which is about 6 feet in length. The Hidden Missile compartments only hold 1 Missile each, and there are 2 of them. 1 per side. The speeds are high because it is supposed to be stupidly fast.

Another suggestion, if you want it to go stupidly fast, I'd reduce the external hardpoints, and go for all internal, you'd reduce drag, and it'd be easier to go faster.

Sure it would reduce drag, but would make it bigger and add a lot of weight, which un-does the gains by the reduction in drag.

Edit: the MiG-25 is capable of mach 3 IRL, and the cruising speed is actually "super cruise".

[Organized States]

Another suggestion, if you want it to go stupidly fast, I'd reduce the external hardpoints, and go for all internal, you'd reduce drag, and it'd be easier to go faster.

Sure it would reduce drag, but would make it bigger and add a lot of weight, which un-does the gains by the reduction in drag.

Not really, if you go the way of the F-22 or the F-108 and have really powerful engines which would counterbalance the weight.

[San-Silvacian]

Just use Mirage 4000.

[Organized States]

Just use Mirage 4000.

Mirage 4000 is best Mirage. Rafale is just pretender Mirage.

[Imperializt Russia]

Its pretty much not.

Your top speed is too fast, especially given your low service ceiling. Cursing speed is pretty damn high too. The need to be toned way back.

Variable geometry intakes are going to murder our stealth.

You are not getting two GAU-8's (I have to assume GAU-81 is a typo) on a plane...in addition to internal bays, that can carry MOAB....unless you wanted that on the external hardpoint....and in that case, no, and the Vulcan...and calling it a fighter with any degree of correctness.


Pictured: GAU-8

More, even more GAU-8.

Also, for the record, the "classified" stuff is kinda useless. If its been seen by the public, or an intelligence agencies, and some characteristics, such as the weight....the drag on the aircraft, the speed...you could make a good guess to the engines output.

Also, good RPers can't, and won't, refer back to a thread like this and think "Well, now I know all your secrets!" Information posted in these kinds of threads would be treated as "secret IC"

Honestly, posting that something is classified is just useless.

I forgot that the GAU is that big, so I will be cutting those. The reason i put thrust as classified is because I haven't figured up a number for that yet. And the MOAB Class bomb is also going to be cut. There are 6 Hardpoints, 3 per wing. The EMP Bomb is designed to cripple electronics within a small city and fits within the bomb bay, which is about 6 feet in length. The Hidden Missile compartments only hold 1 Missile each, and there are 2 of them. 1 per side. The speeds are high because it is supposed to be stupidly fast.

Personally, I'd consider leaving the EMP-bombing of cities to cruise and ballistic missiles. Strike aircraft with those weapons should be targeting the command network and air defences of large formations.

Another suggestion, if you want it to go stupidly fast, I'd reduce the external hardpoints, and go for all internal, you'd reduce drag, and it'd be easier to go faster.

Sure it would reduce drag, but would make it bigger and add a lot of weight, which un-does the gains by the reduction in drag.

Edit: the MiG-25 is capable of mach 3 IRL, and the cruising speed is actually "super cruise".

The MiG-25 is also neither a stealth aircraft nor a fighter. It's a big, heavy interceptor. By the time you're pushing Mach 3, the thermal bloom of your engine signature and probably heating of your airframe will be colossal.

When you go past the sound barrier, drag is an enormous limit posed. I'd feel comfortable suggesting that removing external hardpoints would easily bring benefits outweighing the greater internal volume.
In any case, eliminating the external hardpoints will do wonders for your stealth capabilities.

[The Soodean Imperium]

IIRC, a MiG-25 only reached Mach 3.2 on one occasion (flying over the Sinai peninsula in the 1970s), and this little overspeed sprint damaged its engines beyond any hope of repair. Pilots were typically advised to avoid flying at speeds of over Mach 2.8. And again, this was for a low-maneuverability interceptor, not an agile multirole fighter.

[Gallia-]

I forgot that the GAU is that big, so I will be cutting those. The reason i put thrust as classified is because I haven't figured up a number for that yet. And the MOAB Class bomb is also going to be cut. There are 6 Hardpoints, 3 per wing. The EMP Bomb is designed to cripple electronics within a small city and fits within the bomb bay, which is about 6 feet in length. The Hidden Missile compartments only hold 1 Missile each, and there are 2 of them. 1 per side. The speeds are high because it is supposed to be stupidly fast.

Another suggestion, if you want it to go stupidly fast, I'd reduce the external hardpoints, and go for all internal, you'd reduce drag, and it'd be easier to go faster.

F-4 is proof drag has little bearing on aircraft speed.

[Organized States]

Another suggestion, if you want it to go stupidly fast, I'd reduce the external hardpoints, and go for all internal, you'd reduce drag, and it'd be easier to go faster.

F-4 is proof drag has little bearing on aircraft speed.

But. But. Muh Delta series!