Your Nation's Air Force Mark II:

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

More hitting power. More damage per shell. More useful submunitions. Lower rate of fire to compensate for reduced ammo capacity, and if skeletonized not too much heavier than the 30mm cannon.

You can use newer types of 30mm ammunition instead of using a big gun that fires really slow and weights more than most 30mm cannons.

I hope you don't try to use this for CAS.

I see newer and I read never. Also 27 mm APEX.

[San-Silvacian]

[The Akasha Colony]

You can use newer types of 30mm ammunition instead of using a big gun that fires really slow and weights more than most 30mm cannons.

I hope you don't try to use this for CAS.

Why not? Why not take an upengined 'Hawg and fit a larger cannon on it?

Because it doesn't solve the A-10's fundamental vulnerability to modern SHORADS, and 30 mm is good enough for every vehicle the enemy will field with the only possible exception of their MBTs, which will retreat anyway if their supporting arms are blown up around them and their roof electronics riddle with holes. Or you take out his MBTs with all of the PGMs the A-10 should be using anyway, PGMs which fast jets can use just as well, but without the same level of vulnerability.

But now the main question... Can anyone clarify why everyone here likes the F35s?

Because most of the criticism put forward in this thread regarding them is overblown, lacks context, or is the result of politics. There are very real problems with the program. But there are very real problems with lots of defense programs. The JSF gets lots of hate internationally because so many nations are a part of it, so everyone's heard of it, and it seems everyone's got an opinion on it.

On top of that, there's the natural pushback against people who constantly come in drumming the same "joint strike failure" line, and often can't back it up without parroting the same "I heard it's overbudget and it's overcomplicated" line. Also often with a "look how well Europe did with the Typhoon!"

[Spirit of Hope]

What's the main reason that you suggested the joint strike failure as a frontline fighter? The thing's slow, overweight, half-blind, and can't carry any significant weight for any significant time or range. And I blame the USMC for having made it that way.

But now the main question... Can anyone clarify why everyone here likes the F35s?

Because it isn't half blind, has a very good stealth profile and was designed and intended to operate BVRM.

You can use newer types of 30mm ammunition instead of using a big gun that fires really slow and weights more than most 30mm cannons.

I hope you don't try to use this for CAS.

Why not? Why not take an upengined 'Hawg and fit a larger cannon on it?

Because that hog will die. Really really fast. Air defense has come a long way since when the Warthog was first introduced, a modern combined arms force will have plenty of air defense assets to kill a large number of A-10s coming in. A tiny number might get through, but not enough for the effort to be worth it wince you consider dead pilots and destroyed airframes. Additionally the warthog is rather slow, and to attack must come in rather low, exposing itself to faster more maneuverable multi role aircraft.

Your better off using a multirole as a bomb truck, it has a much better chance of survival because it doesn't need to get as close it is faster to avoid enemy planes, and can be used for other roles well.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You can use newer types of 30mm ammunition instead of using a big gun that fires really slow and weights more than most 30mm cannons.

I hope you don't try to use this for CAS.

Why not? Why not take an upengined 'Hawg and fit a larger cannon on it?

Can an A-10 pull 9 G's to avoid a missile?

[Padnak]

COIN aircraft and helicopters, if you google airpower in the Vietnam War, you should get some good answers. I mean, bombing and napalming the entire jungle is a little much, but the answers you find on google should work.

Also Defoliants out the ass. This is NS so you don't have to worry about all the nasty side effects of stuff like Agent Orange.


This reminds me of a question I had awhile back but never got around to asking. It's been known for some time that the nastier health effects of Agent Orange aren't actually caused by the defoliant itself, but rather by impurities created during the manufacturing process. Would it be possible to make a friendlier version of Agent Orange in MT without that impurity by using more advanced equipment than they had at the time to prevent overheating the mixture?

What kind of pussy would want to make less dangerous agent orange This is NS, mix in a cocktail of sarin and VX along with the defolians and uses en mass on all hostile controlled regions

Victory or death

[San-Silvacian]

"look how well Europe did with the Typhoon!"

haha

hahahahahahahaha

[Anacasppia]

Stick DIRCM onto the A-10 and it instantly becomes a good deal less vulnerable.

Still doesn't escape the issue of increased exposure to enemy air defense owing to lower speed, though.

[The Akasha Colony]

Stick DIRCM onto the A-10 and it instantly becomes a good deal less vulnerable.

Still doesn't escape the issue of increased exposure to enemy air defense owing to lower speed, though.

Not as much as you think, given that systems like Pantsir and Tunguska use radar command-guided missiles rather than F&F IR, along with radar-guided guns. DIRCM still hasn't been fully rolled out for helicopters, nevermind jets (for which it will need faster tracking, and thus be more expensive).

[The Corparation]

Also Defoliants out the ass. This is NS so you don't have to worry about all the nasty side effects of stuff like Agent Orange.


This reminds me of a question I had awhile back but never got around to asking. It's been known for some time that the nastier health effects of Agent Orange aren't actually caused by the defoliant itself, but rather by impurities created during the manufacturing process. Would it be possible to make a friendlier version of Agent Orange in MT without that impurity by using more advanced equipment than they had at the time to prevent overheating the mixture?

What kind of pussy would want to make less dangerous agent orange This is NS, mix in a cocktail of sarin and VX along with the defolians and uses en mass on all hostile controlled regions

Victory or death

Becuase not everything in NS has to be lolpowerfuldeadly. Not to mention the fact you have your own troops that will likely be exposed to it one way or another.

[San-Silvacian]

Also Defoliants out the ass. This is NS so you don't have to worry about all the nasty side effects of stuff like Agent Orange.


This reminds me of a question I had awhile back but never got around to asking. It's been known for some time that the nastier health effects of Agent Orange aren't actually caused by the defoliant itself, but rather by impurities created during the manufacturing process. Would it be possible to make a friendlier version of Agent Orange in MT without that impurity by using more advanced equipment than they had at the time to prevent overheating the mixture?

What kind of pussy would want to make less dangerous agent orange This is NS, mix in a cocktail of sarin and VX along with the defolians and uses en mass on all hostile controlled regions

Victory or death

Because most people will respond with nuclear fires.

[Padnak]

What kind of pussy would want to make less dangerous agent orange This is NS, mix in a cocktail of sarin and VX along with the defolians and uses en mass on all hostile controlled regions

Victory or death

Becuase not everything in NS has to be lolpowerfuldeadly. Not to mention the fact you have your own troops that will likely be exposed to it one way or another.

Conscripts can be replaced, the hostiles will to fight once they see their forests destroyed and their families killed by chemical weapons can't.

I'm joking of course, but making a less toxic agent orange seems a bit like issuing someone a license to carry a gun, but not bullets. There isn't anything humane about leveling a forest, so why try and make it?

[The Corparation]

Becuase not everything in NS has to be lolpowerfuldeadly. Not to mention the fact you have your own troops that will likely be exposed to it one way or another.

Conscripts can be replaced, the hostiles will to fight once they see their forests destroyed and their families killed by chemical weapons can't.

I'm joking of course, but making a less toxic agent orange seems a bit like issuing someone a license to carry a gun, but not bullets. There isn't anything humane about leveling a forest, so why try and make it?

Because killing off the forest isn't the only thing you have to do.

[Kassaran]

Alright guys, going to say right out this is for a different nation that is in a P2TM RP I'm in, but essentially it is WWZ and I'm RPing as a small holdout "bait" nation in Central Africa. I'm about to begin a massive fight to the bitter end with millions and possibly billions of undead and I need to know what I should look to get to help lay waste to the zed by the hundreds. Here's my initial estimates for what I can likely receive:

A-10 TB II's (due to the US needing someone to sell them all off to and not seeing a need in the future for them)

UH-1's (for emergency troop evacuation, any other sort of helicopter troop transport and gunship can also work here)

C-130J's (for supply transport from Bioko Island to the mainland holdout zones, though perhaps smaller aircraft would be supplied instead?)

So what other aircraft can I possibly be looking at receiving to deal with said hordes. There are no AA defenses that I'd have to deal with, however we only have a decently functioning international runway to be constructed at Bioko given the nature of the remaining locations. Potentially carrier launched aircraft that also are soon to be phased out that are optimal for ground attack situations will also be given, but what would, at best, I be looking at receiving? There also are the craft that I might already have due to my location in Africa. What jets or helicopters might I already have access to if any?

[Padnak]

Conscripts can be replaced, the hostiles will to fight once they see their forests destroyed and their families killed by chemical weapons can't.

I'm joking of course, but making a less toxic agent orange seems a bit like issuing someone a license to carry a gun, but not bullets. There isn't anything humane about leveling a forest, so why try and make it?

Because killing off the forest isn't the only thing you have to do.

Perhaps a strategic bombing campaign using napalm...

[Crookfur]

Alright guys, going to say right out this is for a different nation that is in a P2TM RP I'm in, but essentially it is WWZ and I'm RPing as a small holdout "bait" nation in Central Africa. I'm about to begin a massive fight to the bitter end with millions and possibly billions of undead and I need to know what I should look to get to help lay waste to the zed by the hundreds. Here's my initial estimates for what I can likely receive:

A-10 TB II's (due to the US needing someone to sell them all off to and not seeing a need in the future for them)

UH-1's (for emergency troop evacuation, any other sort of helicopter troop transport and gunship can also work here)

C-130J's (for supply transport from Bioko Island to the mainland holdout zones, though perhaps smaller aircraft would be supplied instead?)

So what other aircraft can I possibly be looking at receiving to deal with said hordes. There are no AA defenses that I'd have to deal with, however we only have a decently functioning international runway to be constructed at Bioko given the nature of the remaining locations. Potentially carrier launched aircraft that also are soon to be phased out that are optimal for ground attack situations will also be given, but what would, at best, I be looking at receiving? There also are the craft that I might already have due to my location in Africa. What jets or helicopters might I already have access to if any?

wee light turboprop utility aircraft with rough feild capability and enough paylaod to allow you to strap a couple of mahcine guns/light cannon/rocket pods onto them.

Will do everythign the A-10 woudl do in such a situation whislt being easier to fly, support and fuel.

some turbo basler based AC-47s would be very very useful.

[-the Ukrainian SSR-]

Ye Olde Standard Fare Eastern Bloc Air Force = The Ruthenian National Air Force

Mikoyan MiG-29
Yakovlev Yak-52
Sukhoi Su-25
Sukhoi Su-24
Antonov An-70
Mil Mi-24
Mil Mi-17
Kamov Ka-50

[Bulgaria-Serbia]

Is the F5E a good, cost effective multirole aircraft?

[The Corparation]

Is the F5E a good, cost effective multirole aircraft?
(Image)

Yes, assuming you don't have the money to buy anything newer.

[Bulgaria-Serbia]

Is the F5E a good, cost effective multirole aircraft?
(Image)

Yes, assuming you don't have the money to buy anything newer.

Then it is good for its price

[Crookfur]

Yes, assuming you don't have the money to buy anything newer.

Then it is good for its price

Only if you assume that its actually availble in new condition and that spare parts are easily gotten hold of which given its popularity as the "affordable" fighter of choice for eveyone on NS who doesn't fap to chinese stuff could be taken as a given.

[Bulgaria-Serbia]

What would be a good but cheap ground attack aircraft? I'm stuck on the SU25

[Hurtful Thoughts]

What would be a good but cheap ground attack aircraft? I'm stuck on the SU25

A Learjet.

El Salvador and Peru have yet to decide between the A-37 and Su-25.

Cheaper-still, is to take just 'bout any trainer/liason-plane, and strap bombs to it. Just use more planes which you should already have anyways.
-Including Mi-24 Hinds.
JL-8 carries four 250kg bombs, while JL-9 is rated to carry up to 2 metric tons.

When a war kicks-up, the demand for 'advanced trainers' goes up... as do their losses.

[Organized States]

What's the main reason that you suggested the joint strike failure as a frontline fighter? The thing's slow, overweight, half-blind, and can't carry any significant weight for any significant time or range. And I blame the USMC for having made it that way.

But now the main question... Can anyone clarify why everyone here likes the F35s?

F-35A is quite a capable light weight fighter, it has the AOA on par with the Hornet, Can pull up to 9.9 Gs, has more fuel and longer loiter time. Basically, Lockheed took every problem the F-16 had, added Electronics out the ass, gave it a way over powered engine, and then made it stealthy. Now, I tend to think that the single engine doesn't work very well over cold areas is not true, mainly considering the fact that Eielson AFB operates F-16s over Alaska's EEZ, and Norway as well, but I know that Eielson's runways are very developed. I don't really know the state of Canada's runways. Not to mention that the F-35's EOTS means that it can see all around the aircraft using cameras and other things, the systems are really hush-hush right now.

[Gallia-]

Stealth is the main issue with F-35.

If they'd just made a mega F-18C/D it would be fine.