Your Nation's Air Force Mark II:

[Gallan Systems]

So presently, I'm planning on using both the Mirage 2000 and Mirage 4000 in a role analogous to the F-16/15. Since they're different in function, I was wondering what sort of upgrades/modifications I could do to make them both better analogs for the F-16 and F-15

[EsToVnIa]

F-15 isn't possible because of the geopolitical climate

[Gallan Systems]

F-15 isn't possible because of the geopolitical climate

Surrender is your only option.

You cannot hope to repel elan of that magnitude.

[EsToVnIa]

from what i've read (albeit not a whole lot), the Mirage 4000 was already pretty comparable to the F-15 in its intended role. Could i expand on this by giving it a more powerful radar or would i ultimately just end up with a F-15 sized rafale

[Gallan Systems]

Mirage 4000 had anemic engines, like all European fighters tended to until EJ200. M53-2 put out ~54 kN at sea level, ~85 kN wet thrust. They "fixed" it in the 80s, but by this time the F-15 was already firmed intrenched in export sales and market. The thing was constantly being re-engined but never quite achieved what Pratt & Whitney managed even at the end with the late M53s that could be almost as powerful as F100. PW-229 was the final nail, and the proof of superiority of American Muscle over European Timidity.

Considering both aircraft were identical weight class, Mirage 4000 had every disadvantage over F-15. Its one advantage may have been greater amounts of underwing hardpoints (it could carry a lot of bombs and Magics?) I guess. Unfortunately, most of its missile hardpoints appear to fitted for rail launchers for R.550s, and there doesn't appear to be semi-conformal carriage like F-15. The most Super 530s I've seen the Mirage 4k prototypes carry is two, which is the same as Mirage 2000.

Seems like it would have suffered somewhat more from drag (although F-15 is rather poor in this area since you're usually pulling three tanks: centerline and both wings) than F-15. Further, RDM has a smaller antenna size than APG-63, and it's probably less powerful too, which means it isn't going to be slotting commies from 40 km or whatever like F-15A/C/E.

Thrustless Pilot Party needs to be in the EU Parliament.

Thrust is power.

tl;dr It's a shittier F-15A all around. F-15E owns it no contest.

e: If you can get not mediocre engines in it it'd be fine, probably a better STOL performer than F-15. OTOH you're stuck with Mirage 2000's RDM, but replacing it with RDI wouldn't be a big deal and RDI isn't a bad AI radar at all.

[Gallan Systems]

This is the ultimate fighter:

[Gallan Systems]

last picture is the aftermath of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ1yQrKYteY

[Laritaia]

i wonder if the hover sled would have allowed it to launch from rivers.

[Gallan Systems]

it was just to make moving it around by tractor easier tbh

there's a picture of the thing being used to pull an F-106 around a lot or something i cant find at the moment

[New Antonalia]

OK, I just finished my first stab at a fighter design, and would like some feedback on how the design would fair as well as suggestions on how to improve it

[Prosorusiya]

Is there any point in retaining the K-13 AAM nowadays? One on hand, it offers me a better dogfight missile, but on the other hand I don't have many, it outdated, and hard to find suppliers for.

[Gallan Systems]

China still makes AA-2s of some nature.

[Prosorusiya]

I know, but is it still worth using?

[EsToVnIa]

Mirage 4000 had anemic engines, like all European fighters tended to until EJ200. M53-2 put out ~54 kN at sea level, ~85 kN wet thrust. They "fixed" it in the 80s, but by this time the F-15 was already firmed intrenched in export sales and market. The thing was constantly being re-engined but never quite achieved what Pratt & Whitney managed even at the end with the late M53s that could be almost as powerful as F100. PW-229 was the final nail, and the proof of superiority of American Muscle over European Timidity.

Considering both aircraft were identical weight class, Mirage 4000 had every disadvantage over F-15. Its one advantage may have been greater amounts of underwing hardpoints (it could carry a lot of bombs and Magics?) I guess. Unfortunately, most of its missile hardpoints appear to fitted for rail launchers for R.550s, and there doesn't appear to be semi-conformal carriage like F-15. The most Super 530s I've seen the Mirage 4k prototypes carry is two, which is the same as Mirage 2000.

Seems like it would have suffered somewhat more from drag (although F-15 is rather poor in this area since you're usually pulling three tanks: centerline and both wings) than F-15. Further, RDM has a smaller antenna size than APG-63, and it's probably less powerful too, which means it isn't going to be slotting commies from 40 km or whatever like F-15A/C/E.

Thrustless Pilot Party needs to be in the EU Parliament.

Thrust is power.

tl;dr It's a shittier F-15A all around. F-15E owns it no contest.

okay so at the very least, give it some better engines and radar

is there anything i could do about the hardpoints or would that require submission to the american war machine by acquiring sidewinders and somewhat negating the purpose of "fixing" the mirage 4k to begin with

[Gallan Systems]

Mirage 4000 had anemic engines, like all European fighters tended to until EJ200. M53-2 put out ~54 kN at sea level, ~85 kN wet thrust. They "fixed" it in the 80s, but by this time the F-15 was already firmed intrenched in export sales and market. The thing was constantly being re-engined but never quite achieved what Pratt & Whitney managed even at the end with the late M53s that could be almost as powerful as F100. PW-229 was the final nail, and the proof of superiority of American Muscle over European Timidity.

Considering both aircraft were identical weight class, Mirage 4000 had every disadvantage over F-15. Its one advantage may have been greater amounts of underwing hardpoints (it could carry a lot of bombs and Magics?) I guess. Unfortunately, most of its missile hardpoints appear to fitted for rail launchers for R.550s, and there doesn't appear to be semi-conformal carriage like F-15. The most Super 530s I've seen the Mirage 4k prototypes carry is two, which is the same as Mirage 2000.

Seems like it would have suffered somewhat more from drag (although F-15 is rather poor in this area since you're usually pulling three tanks: centerline and both wings) than F-15. Further, RDM has a smaller antenna size than APG-63, and it's probably less powerful too, which means it isn't going to be slotting commies from 40 km or whatever like F-15A/C/E.

Thrustless Pilot Party needs to be in the EU Parliament.

Thrust is power.

tl;dr It's a shittier F-15A all around. F-15E owns it no contest.

okay so at the very least, give it some better engines and radar

is there anything i could do about the hardpoints or would that require submission to the american war machine by acquiring sidewinders and somewhat negating the purpose of "fixing" the mirage 4k to begin with

RDI can be used instead of RDM, I think this was done near the end of Mirage 4000 anyway.

Snecma never made an M53 that matched F100, but it came close to the early F-15 powerplants which was impressive considering F100 is probably the best fighter engine of its era. Unfortunately this was in the mid-80s and by that point F-15 had been sent everywhere that mattered, or close to it anyway.

Also apparently Mirage 2000 has fitting for four Super 530s and two R.550s, which puts it pretty close to F-15 in armament, so I was wrong on that. If you can find the wing space, it might be able to haul a similar amount of ordnance on Mirage 4000 with drop tanks, giving it something approximating an F-15.

It wouldn't be as good obviously, but not totally terrible I guess.

[Gallan Systems]

it was just to make moving it around by tractor easier tbh

there's a picture of the thing being used to pull an F-106 around a lot or something i cant find at the moment

https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFA ... 200111.PDF

i found the article with it

i wonder if the hover sled would have allowed it to launch from rivers.

unfortunately it wasnt actually powered enough to be motile

it was just a way to pull planes around airbases to their hangars without getting them stuck in holes or damaging the landing gear

probably related to some weird idea about using F-15s or something from "rough field" mesh runways laid down by engineers im sure

AATS (advanced aircraft takeoff system) was abandoned pretty quick afaik in favour of the less silly idea of just using it to move planes around (ACET; air cushion equipment transporter) with tractors

[Husseinarti]

Mirage 4000 had anemic engines, like all European fighters tended to until EJ200. M53-2 put out ~54 kN at sea level, ~85 kN wet thrust. They "fixed" it in the 80s, but by this time the F-15 was already firmed intrenched in export sales and market. The thing was constantly being re-engined but never quite achieved what Pratt & Whitney managed even at the end with the late M53s that could be almost as powerful as F100. PW-229 was the final nail, and the proof of superiority of American Muscle over European Timidity.

Considering both aircraft were identical weight class, Mirage 4000 had every disadvantage over F-15. Its one advantage may have been greater amounts of underwing hardpoints (it could carry a lot of bombs and Magics?) I guess. Unfortunately, most of its missile hardpoints appear to fitted for rail launchers for R.550s, and there doesn't appear to be semi-conformal carriage like F-15. The most Super 530s I've seen the Mirage 4k prototypes carry is two, which is the same as Mirage 2000.

Seems like it would have suffered somewhat more from drag (although F-15 is rather poor in this area since you're usually pulling three tanks: centerline and both wings) than F-15. Further, RDM has a smaller antenna size than APG-63, and it's probably less powerful too, which means it isn't going to be slotting commies from 40 km or whatever like F-15A/C/E.

Thrustless Pilot Party needs to be in the EU Parliament.

Thrust is power.

tl;dr It's a shittier F-15A all around. F-15E owns it no contest.

e: If you can get not mediocre engines in it it'd be fine, probably a better STOL performer than F-15. OTOH you're stuck with Mirage 2000's RDM, but replacing it with RDI wouldn't be a big deal and RDI isn't a bad AI radar at all.

:<



i just shoved in f110s and gave it the rafales' eletronics +1.



pave tack alive in frog-land.

[Rhodesialund]

:<

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i just shoved in f110s and gave it the rafales' eletronics +1.

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pave tack alive in frog-land.

There is always one supreme rule when it comes to air power.

[Korva]

if you dont have a shark mouth you arent even cleared to fly in korva



especially not on a elektrogradian jumpjet DDD:

[New Antonalia]

if you dont have a shark mouth you arent even cleared to fly in korva

([url=http://i.imgur.com/qs3azSN.png]Image)[/url]

especially not on a elektrogradian jumpjet DDD:

Wow, how do I create something like that?

[Korva]

if you dont have a shark mouth you arent even cleared to fly in korva

([url=http://i.imgur.com/qs3azSN.png]Image)[/url]

especially not on a elektrogradian jumpjet DDD:

Wow, how do I create something like that?

move to lodz

then start mainlining pixels

[New Antonalia]

Wow, how do I create something like that?

move to lodz

then start mainlining pixels

lodz? Mainlining? I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

[Husseinarti]

probs his region

or idk

its so ugly

[New Vaduz]

New Vaduz currently uses the IAI Kfir using the C-7 upgrade which allows it to compete well with the MiG-25s and MiG-29s of the Ottish Empire.




The Kfir is a match for the MiG-29 right?

[Moscecor]

New Vaduz currently uses the IAI Kfir using the C-7 upgrade which allows it to compete well with the MiG-25s and MiG-29s of the Ottish Empire.


(Image)

The Kfir is a match for the MiG-29 right?

Ehhhhhh....