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Anemos Major
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Postby Anemos Major » Fri May 09, 2014 4:26 pm

Triplebaconation wrote:Dassault designed a French Harrier. :shock:


French harrier, or French jump-jet? :P

If it's the latter, they designed more than one - none of them really worked, mind. Looked quite nice, though.

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Postby Purpelia » Fri May 09, 2014 4:29 pm

Anemos Major wrote:
Triplebaconation wrote:Dassault designed a French Harrier. :shock:


French harrier, or French jump-jet? :P

If it's the latter, they designed more than one - none of them really worked, mind. Looked quite nice, though.

Which one came the closest to working? I am tempted to go and base some designs off which ever that is. Especially since at some point my air force is going to sooner rather than later come to the realization that with no aircraft carriers, no navy and no colonial pretenses they have no use for such a thing and cancel any project mid way. So it does not really have to fly all that well.
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Postby Triplebaconation » Fri May 09, 2014 5:37 pm

Anemos Major wrote:
Triplebaconation wrote:Dassault designed a French Harrier. :shock:


French harrier, or French jump-jet? :P

If it's the latter, they designed more than one - none of them really worked, mind. Looked quite nice, though.


The Pegasus-engined MD.610 was designed around the same time as the P-1127, but abandoned because it wasn't supersonic. As can be expected it was almost identical.
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Chebucto Provinces
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Postby Chebucto Provinces » Fri May 09, 2014 6:39 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:Mirage 2000 w/ some modifications to make it carrier-capable.


I'm concerned that the missiles available will not be up to par with my needs for national air defense.

Perhaps the F/A-18C/D will be my best bet.
Four operational squadrons plus one conversion unit. Each squadron with two F/A-18D and twelve F/A-18C. The conversion unit has ten F/A-18D and four F/A-18C.

That would leave me with 52 F/A-18C and 18 F/A-18D. I think 70 aircraft should be good. What sort of attrition reserve should I also have? Perhaps a buy of around 140 and store half of them?

Fighter training would be taken care of by a number of BAE Hawks. Should I add in some T-45s as well for carrier training? Or would the F/A-18D work?

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Postby Organized States » Fri May 09, 2014 6:51 pm

Chebucto Provinces wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:Mirage 2000 w/ some modifications to make it carrier-capable.


I'm concerned that the missiles available will not be up to par with my needs for national air defense.

Perhaps the F/A-18C/D will be my best bet.
Four operational squadrons plus one conversion unit. Each squadron with two F/A-18D and twelve F/A-18C. The conversion unit has ten F/A-18D and four F/A-18C.

That would leave me with 52 F/A-18C and 18 F/A-18D. I think 70 aircraft should be good. What sort of attrition reserve should I also have? Perhaps a buy of around 140 and store half of them?

Fighter training would be taken care of by a number of BAE Hawks. Should I add in some T-45s as well for carrier training? Or would the F/A-18D work?

Why not go to Super Hornet Standard? A Rafale M would work as well.
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Postby Chebucto Provinces » Fri May 09, 2014 7:12 pm

Organized States wrote:
Chebucto Provinces wrote:
I'm concerned that the missiles available will not be up to par with my needs for national air defense.

Perhaps the F/A-18C/D will be my best bet.
Four operational squadrons plus one conversion unit. Each squadron with two F/A-18D and twelve F/A-18C. The conversion unit has ten F/A-18D and four F/A-18C.

That would leave me with 52 F/A-18C and 18 F/A-18D. I think 70 aircraft should be good. What sort of attrition reserve should I also have? Perhaps a buy of around 140 and store half of them?

Fighter training would be taken care of by a number of BAE Hawks. Should I add in some T-45s as well for carrier training? Or would the F/A-18D work?

Why not go to Super Hornet Standard? A Rafale M would work as well.


Purchase date would be 1984-1989, so neither exist.

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The Great Sioux Confederacy
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Postby The Great Sioux Confederacy » Fri May 09, 2014 7:33 pm

Best Turboprop for mixed duty light transport and COIN/CAS? I was thinking Cessna Skymaster. Other suggestions?

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Postby The Corparation » Fri May 09, 2014 7:37 pm

The Great Sioux Confederacy wrote:Best Turboprop for mixed duty light transport and COIN/CAS? I was thinking Cessna Skymaster. Other suggestions?

OV-10 Bronco. It's pretty much Toyota Hilux of COIN aircraft.

Oddly enough I literally already had this copied, I'd just shown this video to a friend.
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Postby The Great Sioux Confederacy » Fri May 09, 2014 7:52 pm

The Corparation wrote:
The Great Sioux Confederacy wrote:Best Turboprop for mixed duty light transport and COIN/CAS? I was thinking Cessna Skymaster. Other suggestions?

OV-10 Bronco. It's pretty much Toyota Hilux of COIN aircraft.

Oddly enough I literally already had this copied, I'd just shown this video to a friend.

It's also a dedicated light attack aircraft, and does not have the seating or cargo capacity to serve as a transport. I want something that can be adapted to do both. Probably a civilian aircraft with an upgrade kit for CAS/COIN


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Postby The Corparation » Fri May 09, 2014 8:03 pm

The Great Sioux Confederacy wrote:
The Corparation wrote:OV-10 Bronco. It's pretty much Toyota Hilux of COIN aircraft.

Oddly enough I literally already had this copied, I'd just shown this video to a friend.

It's also a dedicated light attack aircraft, and does not have the seating or cargo capacity to serve as a transport. I want something that can be adapted to do both. Probably a civilian aircraft with an upgrade kit for CAS/COIN

Bronco can do light transport duties. It has space for up to 6 passengers, two stretchers with medics or 5 Paratroopers. Although to cram that all in there you do have to pull out the second seat. In terms of cargo it can carry up to 1500 kg. That payload is comparable to general aviation aircraft of the same size. And better than the Skymaster you mentioned.
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Postby Organized States » Fri May 09, 2014 8:27 pm

Chebucto Provinces wrote:
Organized States wrote:Why not go to Super Hornet Standard? A Rafale M would work as well.


Purchase date would be 1984-1989, so neither exist.

Ahh, I see. The F/A-18Ds are your best choice.
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Postby The Great Sioux Confederacy » Fri May 09, 2014 8:29 pm

The Corparation wrote:
The Great Sioux Confederacy wrote:It's also a dedicated light attack aircraft, and does not have the seating or cargo capacity to serve as a transport. I want something that can be adapted to do both. Probably a civilian aircraft with an upgrade kit for CAS/COIN

Bronco can do light transport duties. It has space for up to 6 passengers, two stretchers with medics or 5 Paratroopers. Although to cram that all in there you do have to pull out the second seat. In terms of cargo it can carry up to 1500 kg. That payload is comparable to general aviation aircraft of the same size. And better than the Skymaster you mentioned.

Well, I'll be damned. That is one sexy aircraft then.

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Postby Oaledonia » Fri May 09, 2014 8:32 pm

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Oaledonia wrote:Would it be possible to make Protect Pluto compatible with contra-rotating props and stick it on a fuckhuge bomber?

Moved from the NS realism thread, people here might know a bit more on the subject.

Sad Oale is sad, bump :c
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Postby The Corparation » Fri May 09, 2014 8:42 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:Moved from the NS realism thread, people here might know a bit more on the subject.

Sad Oale is sad, bump :c

Pluto was a ramjet meant to travel at several times the speed of sound. I am hesitant to believe you could rig it to any sort of propeller, much less a propeller on a plane moving at Mach 4.
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Postby Oaledonia » Fri May 09, 2014 9:33 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:Sad Oale is sad, bump :c

Pluto was a ramjet meant to travel at several times the speed of sound. I am hesitant to believe you could rig it to any sort of propeller, much less a propeller on a plane moving at Mach 4.

Well, I didn't mean for it to travel that fast.
In fact, different question: Is it possible to have a nuclear powered bomber?
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Postby Gallia- » Fri May 09, 2014 9:37 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:Moved from the NS realism thread, people here might know a bit more on the subject.

Sad Oale is sad, bump :c


Do you need a cheer up?

Galla will let you lease its Titan III ICBMs. ;)

Oaledonia wrote:
The Corparation wrote:Pluto was a ramjet meant to travel at several times the speed of sound. I am hesitant to believe you could rig it to any sort of propeller, much less a propeller on a plane moving at Mach 4.

Well, I didn't mean for it to travel that fast.
In fact, different question: Is it possible to have a nuclear powered bomber?


1) Why not?

2) Yes.
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Postby Oaledonia » Fri May 09, 2014 9:48 pm

Gallia- wrote:
Oaledonia wrote:Sad Oale is sad, bump :c


Do you need a cheer up?

Galla will let you lease its Titan III ICBMs. ;)

Oaledonia wrote:Well, I didn't mean for it to travel that fast.
In fact, different question: Is it possible to have a nuclear powered bomber?


1) Why not?

2) Yes.

No thx Galla-kun, I use Minuteman III :3
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Postby Gallia- » Fri May 09, 2014 9:53 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
Gallia- wrote:
Do you need a cheer up?

Galla will let you lease its Titan III ICBMs. ;)



1) Why not?

2) Yes.

No thx Galla-kun, I use Minuteman III :3


You don't want 50 1MT RVs? ):

Galla uses Peacekeeper it could help Oaledonia make a missile. o:
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Postby Arminica » Sat May 10, 2014 12:31 am

Updated Arminican People's Air Force
Fighters:
MiG-29M (x334)
Su-27SKM (x256)
Su-30MKK (x43)
Strike:
Q-5 (x100)
Su-24 (x53)
Su-34 (x54)
Trainer:
Yak-130 (x12)
L-29 (x24)
Tanker/Transport:
Il-76 (x95)
Special Mission:
Yak-40 VIP (x6)
Il-20 ISR (x4)
Il-80 (x2)
Beriev A-50 (x8)
Helicopters:
KA-52 (x32)
Mi-17 (x34)
Future Aircraft:
PAK-FA
FGFA
KA-60
Any Suggestions for tweeks would be helpful!

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Postby Anacasppia » Sat May 10, 2014 9:28 am

Chebucto Provinces wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:Mirage 2000 w/ some modifications to make it carrier-capable.


I'm concerned that the missiles available will not be up to par with my needs for national air defense.

Perhaps the F/A-18C/D will be my best bet.
Four operational squadrons plus one conversion unit. Each squadron with two F/A-18D and twelve F/A-18C. The conversion unit has ten F/A-18D and four F/A-18C.

That would leave me with 52 F/A-18C and 18 F/A-18D. I think 70 aircraft should be good. What sort of attrition reserve should I also have? Perhaps a buy of around 140 and store half of them?

Fighter training would be taken care of by a number of BAE Hawks. Should I add in some T-45s as well for carrier training? Or would the F/A-18D work?

F-14E with AIM-152 Is the answer.
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Postby Organized States » Sat May 10, 2014 8:32 pm

Working on the OS Air Force circa 1950
Fighters:
F-80C
F-86A
F-93A
P-51D
F-82G
P-47N
F-84C and D models
Bombers:
B-36
A-26
B-29
Support:
C-47 Skytrain
Suggestions?
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"I regret that I have only one life to give to my island." -Ricardo Bordallo, 2nd Governor of Guam
"Both are voyages of exploration. Hōkūle‘a is in the past, Columbia is in the future." -Colonel Charles L. Veach, USAF, Astronaut and Navigation Enthusiast

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Postby NewLakotah » Sat May 10, 2014 8:43 pm

Organized States wrote:Working on the OS Air Force circa 1950
Fighters:
F-80C
F-86A
F-93A
P-51D
F-82G
P-47N
F-84C and D models
Bombers:
B-36
A-26
B-29
Support:
C-47 Skytrain
Suggestions?

F-86A for sure, drop the F-80 entirely it was completely outclassed by the MiG-15 and most other comparable fighter of that time. The F-93A seems to be the replacement for the F-86, however, it was cancelled and so its hard to judge in comparison to the F-86A. I'm assuming that your F-82 is replacing the P-51? And B-52 should be your long range bomber, maybe use the A-26 as your light bomber or reserve bomber, thought the F-84 is also capable in that role.
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Postby Kampala- » Sat May 10, 2014 9:31 pm

Anacasppia wrote:
Chebucto Provinces wrote:
I'm concerned that the missiles available will not be up to par with my needs for national air defense.

Perhaps the F/A-18C/D will be my best bet.
Four operational squadrons plus one conversion unit. Each squadron with two F/A-18D and twelve F/A-18C. The conversion unit has ten F/A-18D and four F/A-18C.

That would leave me with 52 F/A-18C and 18 F/A-18D. I think 70 aircraft should be good. What sort of attrition reserve should I also have? Perhaps a buy of around 140 and store half of them?

Fighter training would be taken care of by a number of BAE Hawks. Should I add in some T-45s as well for carrier training? Or would the F/A-18D work?

F-14E with AIM-152 Is the answer.
Would probably have happened in real life if the cold war didn't end.
Peace dividend sucks man.


No, Phoenix and F-14D would just be used longer.
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Postby Organized States » Sat May 10, 2014 10:32 pm

NewLakotah wrote:
Organized States wrote:Working on the OS Air Force circa 1950
Fighters:
F-80C
F-86A
F-93A
P-51D
F-82G
P-47N
F-84C and D models
Bombers:
B-36
A-26
B-29
Support:
C-47 Skytrain
Suggestions?

F-86A for sure, drop the F-80 entirely it was completely outclassed by the MiG-15 and most other comparable fighter of that time. The F-93A seems to be the replacement for the F-86, however, it was cancelled and so its hard to judge in comparison to the F-86A. I'm assuming that your F-82 is replacing the P-51? And B-52 should be your long range bomber, maybe use the A-26 as your light bomber or reserve bomber, thought the F-84 is also capable in that role.

I was considering dropping the F-80, but the B-52 wasn't in production until 1952. The A-26 is a light bomber, and the F-84 is a fighter bomber, and the P-51 and the P-47 are my close air support aircraft while the F-82 is a Bomber killer.
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"I regret that I have only one life to give to my island." -Ricardo Bordallo, 2nd Governor of Guam
"Both are voyages of exploration. Hōkūle‘a is in the past, Columbia is in the future." -Colonel Charles L. Veach, USAF, Astronaut and Navigation Enthusiast

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