Your Nation's Air Force Mark II:

[Urran]

Yeah. true.

[The Akasha Colony]

Actually, if said child was any good at video games he might have a chance. They did this thing where they let school kids pilot the F35 in the actual flight simulator the military uses. took them all of five minutes to learn how to take off and shoot down simulated Mig29's without instruction.

Put them in the hot seat to deal with the multitude of g-forces they'd feel and see how they like it.

Mig-29s and F-16s can only wreck an F-35 if the F-35 is piloted by a 3rd grade dropout with ADHD as part of some F-35 Hater-Fanboy's wet dreams.

No, I'll stick to my guns on this one. Both the F-16 (upgraded of course) and the MiG were made specifically to be dogfighters. Sure the F-35 is more modern and has better electronics, but I think that a MiG 29 would be able to hold it's ground. As for the quip of pilot skill, If they were on the same level, I think it would be an even match.

If the MiG-29 or F-16 has closed to dogfighting range with the F-35, then that means that the F-35 pilot has already fundamentally failed and should have his wings revoked. The entire point is that the F-35 has the sensors to gain the intelligence and detection advantage, and the use that to control the engagement by immediately putting the other side on the defensive.

Otherwise it's like saying "The T-55 is the same as the M1A2 because the T-55 can hit the M1A2's sides/rear to kill it." Yes, it can, but doing so requires an active failure on the part of the Abrams commander to be alert and use his suite of electronics to detect the flanking maneuver in the first place.

Could either of these two scenarios occur? Of course. There's no shortage of distractions on the battlefield, or sensor malfunctions and the like. But claiming parity in conditions that clearly favor one side over the other doesn't exactly bode well, and it is rather dangerous to formulate standard engagement tactics designed around the enemy's ignorance.

[San-Silvacian]

F-35 has JHMCS and AIM-9X.

MiG-29 loses the battle because the pilot in the F-35 just looks, locks, and kills.

[San-Silvacian]

Otherwise it's like saying "The T-55 is the same as the M1A2 because the T-55 can hit the M1A2's sides/rear to kill it." Yes, it can, but doing so requires an active failure on the part of the Abrams commander to be alert and use his suite of electronics to detect the flanking maneuver in the first place.

No a better thing to say would be that the P-51 is better than the MiG-17 because the P-51 killed the MiG-17.

Therefore the MiG-17 is worse than the P-51.

[Urran]

Which pretty much sucks for everyone not on his side.

[The Akasha Colony]

Otherwise it's like saying "The T-55 is the same as the M1A2 because the T-55 can hit the M1A2's sides/rear to kill it." Yes, it can, but doing so requires an active failure on the part of the Abrams commander to be alert and use his suite of electronics to detect the flanking maneuver in the first place.

No a better thing to say would be that the P-51 is better than the MiG-17 because the P-51 killed the MiG-17.

Therefore the MiG-17 is worse than the P-51.

B-52s shot down two MiG-21s in 'Nam with their tail guns. B-52 best dogfighter.

[San-Silvacian]

No a better thing to say would be that the P-51 is better than the MiG-17 because the P-51 killed the MiG-17.

Therefore the MiG-17 is worse than the P-51.

B-52s shot down two MiG-21s in 'Nam with their tail guns. B-52 best dogfighter.

Just but anti-missile missiles in it and give it anti-stealth radar

[Licana]

B-52s shot down two MiG-21s in 'Nam with their tail guns. B-52 best dogfighter.

Just but anti-missile missiles in it and give it anti-stealth radar

also put the anti-stealth radar in your F-4Es and keep them running until 2050.

[San-Silvacian]

Just but anti-missile missiles in it and give it anti-stealth radar

also put the anti-stealth radar in your F-4Es and keep them running until 2050.

anti-stealth radar > F-22A

[Purpelia]

Jamming. Lots of jamming. That is all.

[San-Silvacian]

Jamming. Lots of jamming. That is all.

Home on jam.

[Purpelia]

Jamming. Lots of jamming. That is all.

Home on jam.

All you need is several separate sources to confuse that.

[San-Silvacian]

Home on jam.

All you need is several separate sources to confuse that.

Then you have high-ECM resistant missiles, you have IR, etc.

But hey I guess I can fly my F-4E with anti-stealth radar and jamming pods and have 23 other F-4Es with them and kill all the dumb 4th gens right.

[Purpelia]

All you need is several separate sources to confuse that.

Then you have high-ECM resistant missiles, you have IR, etc.

But hey I guess I can fly my F-4E with anti-stealth radar and jamming pods and have 23 other F-4Es with them and kill all the dumb 4th gens right.

Well the goal here IS to get into IR range. Stealth is just like jamming just a way of decreasing the range at which your enemies can engage you. Give me both rather than either and I think you will find that things get a lot more fun.

[The Akasha Colony]

Jamming. Lots of jamming. That is all.

Home on jam.

Home on jam only works in the case of noise jamming. More complex modern jammers have several ways of misleading the enemy, including cross-eye jamming, which would make the missile think the target is elsewhere based on its emissions.

[Imperializt Russia]

Then you have high-ECM resistant missiles, you have IR, etc.

But hey I guess I can fly my F-4E with anti-stealth radar and jamming pods and have 23 other F-4Es with them and kill all the dumb 4th gens right.

Well the goal here IS to get into IR range. Stealth is just like jamming just a way of decreasing the range at which your enemies can engage you. Give me both rather than either and I think you will find that things get a lot more fun.

"IR range" can be solved with multi-mode seekers and late terminal seeking.

Even if you're being jammed, you know roughly where this jamming signal originates from. Jamming equipment takes up pylon slots and huge amounts of power to operate, hampering its combat load (but not its effectiveness).

[Yukonastan]

Well the goal here IS to get into IR range. Stealth is just like jamming just a way of decreasing the range at which your enemies can engage you. Give me both rather than either and I think you will find that things get a lot more fun.

"IR range" can be solved with multi-mode seekers and late terminal seeking.

Even if you're being jammed, you know roughly where this jamming signal originates from. Jamming equipment takes up pylon slots and huge amounts of power to operate, hampering its combat load (but not its effectiveness).

Hence why dedicated EW aircraft were designed, no?

While on EW aircraft, there was one C130 derivative EW aircraft with some sort of blade antenna ahead of the vertical fin, if my memory serves me well. It's not the Compass Call, but it is related to it. Anyone know what I'm talking about or whether I'm being mislead?

[Organized States]

"IR range" can be solved with multi-mode seekers and late terminal seeking.

Even if you're being jammed, you know roughly where this jamming signal originates from. Jamming equipment takes up pylon slots and huge amounts of power to operate, hampering its combat load (but not its effectiveness).

Hence why dedicated EW aircraft were designed, no?

While on EW aircraft, there was one C130 derivative EW aircraft with some sort of blade antenna ahead of the vertical fin, if my memory serves me well. It's not the Compass Call, but it is related to it. Anyone know what I'm talking about or whether I'm being mislead?

Commando Solo?

[Korva]

"IR range" can be solved with multi-mode seekers and late terminal seeking.

Even if you're being jammed, you know roughly where this jamming signal originates from. Jamming equipment takes up pylon slots and huge amounts of power to operate, hampering its combat load (but not its effectiveness).

Hence why dedicated EW aircraft were designed, no?

While on EW aircraft, there was one C130 derivative EW aircraft with some sort of blade antenna ahead of the vertical fin, if my memory serves me well. It's not the Compass Call, but it is related to it. Anyone know what I'm talking about or whether I'm being mislead?

Commando Solo maybe?

[Organized States]

Hence why dedicated EW aircraft were designed, no?

While on EW aircraft, there was one C130 derivative EW aircraft with some sort of blade antenna ahead of the vertical fin, if my memory serves me well. It's not the Compass Call, but it is related to it. Anyone know what I'm talking about or whether I'm being mislead?

Commando Solo maybe?

Ninja'd you.

[Yukonastan]

Hence why dedicated EW aircraft were designed, no?

While on EW aircraft, there was one C130 derivative EW aircraft with some sort of blade antenna ahead of the vertical fin, if my memory serves me well. It's not the Compass Call, but it is related to it. Anyone know what I'm talking about or whether I'm being mislead?

Commando Solo maybe?

Yes, that's the one. EC130E Cmdo Solo.
EC130J Cmdo Solo 3 has funky tail antennas too, but I mean the earlier one with the blade on the LE of the vert fin.

Any other (non-American) comparable EW aircraft anyone knows about?

Edit:
This antenna.

[Organized States]

Commando Solo maybe?

Yes, that's the one. EC130E Cmdo Solo.
EC130J Cmdo Solo 3 has funky tail antennas too, but I mean the earlier one with the blade on the LE of the vert fin.

Any other (non-American) comparable EW aircraft anyone knows about?

The IAI Arava 202B for one.

[Vassenor]

So we're not talking about the one that they bolted an E-2 rig to?

(Assuming that was even a thing)

[Yukonastan]

So we're not talking about the one that they bolted an E-2 rig to?

(Assuming that was even a thing)

We're talking about EW :not:transports. So if you want to, mention the one that they bolted a Hawkeye's guts to.

[Vassenor]

Not that it really went anywhere.