Your Nation's Air Force Mark II:

[Erusuia]

Was the MiG-23 any good? I'm planning on having it be the last aircraft my air force acquired in large numbers before the economic recession rendered the military budget less for twenty years

(starting the the late 60s Erusuia went into severe economic decline due to government mismanagement and corruption, this period of economic rescission lasted until the start of the 1990s and during this time the military was unable to acquire almost new equipment)

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Variable geometry doesn't synergize well with a tight budget.

[Organized States]

Was the MiG-23 any good? I'm planning on having it be the last aircraft my air force acquired in large numbers before the economic recession rendered the military budget less for twenty years

(starting the the late 60s Erusuia went into severe economic decline due to government mismanagement and corruption, this period of economic rescission lasted until the start of the 1990s and during this time the military was unable to acquire almost new equipment)

It was a good aircraft for the time, despite being rather on the complicated side, though it should be noted that the MiG-23, will become more and more difficult to maintain as time goes on (primarily due to the parts problem and the associated costs).

If you are looking for a replacement later on, I'd look towards the MiG-29, the JF-17, or the F-16.

[Korva]

Was the MiG-23 any good? I'm planning on having it be the last aircraft my air force acquired in large numbers before the economic recession rendered the military budget less for twenty years

(starting the the late 60s Erusuia went into severe economic decline due to government mismanagement and corruption, this period of economic rescission lasted until the start of the 1990s and during this time the military was unable to acquire almost new equipment)

From what I've read it had poor visibility, mediocre radar, and lacked a refueling probe.

Decent for the 1970's, pretty bad for 2014.

[Erusuia]

Variable geometry doesn't synergize well with a tight budget.

Up until the economic rescission the military had vast amounts of funding, the MiG-23s were a sort of lass hurrah for the air force before it lost the majority of its budget

[Post-American Wastelands]

Do armed cropdusters count as an airforce?

Because that's about it. There might also be a working helicopter or two, if you really stretch your definition of "working".

[Erusuia]

It was a good aircraft for the time, despite being rather on the complicated side, though it should be noted that the MiG-23, will become more and more difficult to maintain as time goes on (primarily due to the parts problem and the associated costs).

If you are looking for a replacement later on, I'd look towards the MiG-29, the JF-17, or the F-16.

From what I've read it had poor visibility, mediocre radar, and lacked a refueling probe.

Decent for the 1970's, pretty bad for 2014.

Thanks

In 2014 the economy has recovered and surpassed per-rescission levels so with that the military is attempting to extensively modernize with a big focus on the air forced (which held fewer then 100 operable aircraft out of a former fleet of 1250 by the start of economic recovery in the 1990s) which leads we onto another question: I want to develop an indigenous multi-role fighter as a sort of "Erusuia is back and ready to kick ass" national project, what kind of electronics does a multi-role need?

The aircraft in question will probably be using allot of licensed/stolen technologies from existing aircraft to compensate for the aircraft industries lack of experience

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Elan rules the skies

[Organized States]

Do armed cropdusters count as an airforce?

Because that's about it. There might also be a working helicopter or two, if you really stretch your definition of "working".

I'm seeing double...

Anyways, I believe the Yemani Air Force has Crop-Dusters armed with Hellfire missiles, so yes.

It was a good aircraft for the time, despite being rather on the complicated side, though it should be noted that the MiG-23, will become more and more difficult to maintain as time goes on (primarily due to the parts problem and the associated costs).

If you are looking for a replacement later on, I'd look towards the MiG-29, the JF-17, or the F-16.

From what I've read it had poor visibility, mediocre radar, and lacked a refueling probe.

Decent for the 1970's, pretty bad for 2014.

Thanks

In 2014 the economy has recovered and surpassed per-rescission levels so with that the military is attempting to extensively modernize with a big focus on the air forced (which held fewer then 100 operable aircraft out of a former fleet of 1250 by the start of economic recovery in the 1990s) which leads we onto another question: I want to develop an indigenous multi-role fighter as a sort of "Erusuia is back and ready to kick ass" national project, what kind of electronics does a multi-role need?

The aircraft in question will probably be using allot of licensed/stolen technologies from existing aircraft to compensate for the aircraft industries lack of experience

Well, it would be cheaper to acquire an existing fighter.

But, what are your requirements for this fighter (because that could potentially change some of the electronics required)?

[Post-American Wastelands]

I'm seeing double...

Anyways, I believe the Yemani Air Force has Crop-Dusters armed with Hellfire missiles, so yes.

I know, I need a flag that isn't ripped from Fallout.

In any case, that's good to hear.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Strap some cruise-missile guidance packages in them and call them recon-drones.

Profit!

Not a bad idea actually.

Which is pretty much what I did with my indig "for direct ground-support only" copies ended up doing after we discovered they could be shot down.

Unlike America, we built a lot of them. Because "cool-plane". But then as I got a bit smarter I kept nerfing it with realism.
-But to get an idea of what it was, think of what you'd get if an A-10 date-rapes an F-117. Still, our crews loved 'em for their childish simplicity.

Eventually, it wound-up being an advanced-trainer capable of carrying a few bombs, followed by an effort to crank up the thrust and make it into a target-drone and replaced them with F-5E/F-20 Tigersharks optimized to run on methane.

[Atlantica]

Fellow NS-ers, how would you evaluate the twin-engine KF-X (a Korean 'stealth' fighter) for an air force, in order to counter the F-35?

[Vancon]

Fellow NS-ers, how would you evaluate the twin-engine KF-X (a Korean 'stealth' fighter) for an air force, in order to counter the F-35?

Don't. Just run with some pure ASFs (Mig 29, F-22, f-16 etc...) and you'll be able to wreck any F-35's day in Air to AIr combat.

[Connori Pilgrims]

Fellow NS-ers, how would you evaluate the twin-engine KF-X (a Korean 'stealth' fighter) for an air force, in order to counter the F-35?

1.) Which KF-X design are you talking about? KF-X C-103 or KFX-E?

2.) Their specs are still mostly on paper and mostly incomplete (we don't even know the full paper specs yet). So can't evaluate until more info is available.

[The Corparation]

Fellow NS-ers, how would you evaluate the twin-engine KF-X (a Korean 'stealth' fighter) for an air force, in order to counter the F-35?

Don't. Just run with some pure ASFs (Mig 29, F-22, f-16 etc...) and you'll be able to wreck any F-35's day in Air to AIr combat.

Mig-29s and F-16s can only wreck an F-35 if the F-35 is piloted by a 3rd grade dropout with ADHD as part of some F-35 Hater-Fanboy's wet dreams.

[San-Silvacian]

Fellow NS-ers, how would you evaluate the twin-engine KF-X (a Korean 'stealth' fighter) for an air force, in order to counter the F-35?

Don't. Just run with some pure ASFs (Mig 29, F-22, f-16 etc...) and you'll be able to wreck any F-35's day in Air to AIr combat.

No.

If this was true the F-16 wouldn't be being replaced by the F-35.

But hey I didn't make a low-quality F-series guide so I don't know anything.

[Vancon]

Don't. Just run with some pure ASFs (Mig 29, F-22, f-16 etc...) and you'll be able to wreck any F-35's day in Air to AIr combat.

No.

If this was true the F-16 wouldn't be being replaced by the F-35.

But hey I didn't make a low-quality F-series guide so I don't know anything.

O hai.

I totally wasn't giving an example for other thing and naming a couple of different options for whatever his situation would be, regardless of whether or not his nation was rich.

Don't mind me trying to help.

[Spirit of Hope]

Fellow NS-ers, how would you evaluate the twin-engine KF-X (a Korean 'stealth' fighter) for an air force, in order to counter the F-35?

While the KF-X looks like an interesting design might eventually emerge all that we have at the moment is some very basic design parameters and some history of development. I don't even think their are any prototypes under development.

So when it is finished it might be better than the F-35, simply because it will have later (and thus most likely) better electronics. But at the same time it is being developed by nations with little fighter design experience and no stealth experience which might make its design harder. Additionally the KF-X is probably going to have to look at some of the design trade offs the F-35 made, and it wouldn't be that surprising if it made similar decisions.

[San-Silvacian]

No.

If this was true the F-16 wouldn't be being replaced by the F-35.

But hey I didn't make a low-quality F-series guide so I don't know anything.

O hai.

I totally wasn't giving an example for other thing and naming a couple of different options for whatever his situation would be, regardless of whether or not his nation was rich.

Don't mind me trying to help.

No you didn't help at all.

You just spewed out the same anti-F-35 rhetoric like a well-trained student of the Air Power Australia school of ignorance.

[Vancon]

Don't. Just run with some pure ASFs (Mig 29, F-22, f-16 etc...) and you'll be able to wreck any F-35's day in Air to AIr combat.

Mig-29s and F-16s can only wreck an F-35 if the F-35 is piloted by a 3rd grade dropout with ADHD as part of some F-35 Hater-Fanboy's wet dreams.

No, I'll stick to my guns on this one. Both the F-16 (upgraded of course) and the MiG were made specifically to be dogfighters. Sure the F-35 is more modern and has better electronics, but I think that a MiG 29 would be able to hold it's ground. As for the quip of pilot skill, If they were on the same level, I think it would be an even match.

O hai.

I totally wasn't giving an example for other thing and naming a couple of different options for whatever his situation would be, regardless of whether or not his nation was rich.

Don't mind me trying to help.

No you didn't help at all.

You just spewed out the same anti-F-35 rhetoric like a well-trained student of the Air Power Australia school of ignorance.

I totally helped. I gave him another choice to use. Another 3 choices actually, which are all actually fighters.

[Urran]

Mig-29s and F-16s can only wreck an F-35 if the F-35 is piloted by a 3rd grade dropout with ADHD as part of some F-35 Hater-Fanboy's wet dreams.

Actually, if said child was any good at video games he might have a chance. They did this thing where they let school kids pilot the F35 in the actual flight simulator the military uses. took them all of five minutes to learn how to take off and shoot down simulated Mig29's without instruction.



I'm actually a bit worried about the design time. it's taken longer than it should have and cost more than expected. Not hating, I'm just a little iffy. I'll hold onto my Rafales just a while longer....plus I love the new F16 Block52D

[San-Silvacian]

yeah you give a mig-29 anti-stef radar it will kill the F-shity5 every single day fuck the F-35 5th gen is dumb. wow so many issues.

I'm actually a bit worried about the design time. it's taken longer than it should have and cost more than expected. Not hating, I'm just a little iffy. I'll hold onto my Rafales just a while longer....plus I love the new F16 Block52D

Its going to be in active service in a few months.

The USAF has already received a few of them and are steadily getting more and more of them.

Also, what everyone likes to not look at, its the fucking 2nd 5th generation fighter aircraft to enter production.

There are going to be problems.

There are going to be teething issues.

Its not like the Su-35BMKBMKBMKDMVNKADVD 4.5++++++++++++++++ generation fighter aircraft which has decades of 4th generation aircraft development to back it up. It has a shit load of lessons learned not only from the evolution of the Su-27 family, but of its entire 4th generation family.

The F-35B has a Chinese shitplane, a Russian fighter than doesn't have its production engines yet, and an older, and another Russian project from the 1980s which was to compete with the F-22.

Its only production model it can draw experience from is the F-22A, however the goals of the F-22A are allot different from the F-35B.

[Urran]

My nation will probably end up using the F35C when it's all said and done.


I will agree with you. I just wish that my country wasn't paying for the majority of the development if it's supposed to be a joint project.



Ah, Australia. They also claim buying submarines from Japan is a huge mistake. Let's see, air independent propulsion, decent range, excellent sensors, it's deadly quiet, good weapons load...it's not a patrol sub, it's a freaking attack sub and one of the few not nuclear powered. Australia just has issues buying anything.

[San-Silvacian]

My nation will probably end up using the F35C when it's all said and done.


I will agree with you. I just wish that my country wasn't paying for the majority of the development if it's supposed to be a joint project.



Ah, Australia. They also claim buying submarines from Japan is a huge mistake. Let's see, air independent propulsion, decent range, excellent sensors, it's deadly quiet, good weapons load...it's not a patrol sub, it's a freaking attack sub and one of the few not nuclear powered. Australia just has issues buying anything.

I'm talking about APA aka Air Power Australia, which, has some good info on a few things (It has a fucking altas on S-300/-400 battery vehicles, missiles, etc, however its opinions on the F-22A and F-35B vs contemporary fighter designs like the Su-35 are very biased and fall under "hurr 5th bad usa suck"

[Spirit of Hope]

Mig-29s and F-16s can only wreck an F-35 if the F-35 is piloted by a 3rd grade dropout with ADHD as part of some F-35 Hater-Fanboy's wet dreams.

No, I'll stick to my guns on this one. Both the F-16 (upgraded of course) and the MiG were made specifically to be dogfighters. Sure the F-35 is more modern and has better electronics, but I think that a MiG 29 would be able to hold it's ground. As for the quip of pilot skill, If they were on the same level, I think it would be an even match.

The only place a MiG-29 could compete with a F-35 is in rather close WVR combat. Until that time the F-35 has all of the advantages, and unless the pilot is an idiot he can exploit those advantages to make sure the MiG-29 can't get close enough to have a fair fight.

The one time the F-22 went up against the Eurofighter evidence indicates that they got a draw, evidence also indicates that the range was restricted so that the F-22 couldn't use its stealth and BVR capabilities to its fullest extent. That is the best he have for a comparison, and it bodes well for the F-35.