The NS Infantry Discussion Thread MkII*

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

It's not a solid brick when you mill it out, is it?

Yeah, true. Wouldn't it still be thicker than a stamping though?

The slide has to be a certain weight for the pistol to work (well).

It's roller delayed blowback, so slide weight shouldn't be that important.

[Triplebaconation]

Slide velocity is still important or the gun will shoot itself to pieces. For small low-pressure rounds there may be some slight weight savings - for more serious stuff there will have to be some other way of reducing slide velocity since you can't easily add weight to a stamped slide.

[Aqizithiuda]

Bold Örvarodd had a hundred men and twelve
Accoutred royally.
Then up rose Hervik, the Earl's daughter,
To meet them gallantly.

Up then rose Hervik, the Earl's daughter,
So doughty in the fight.
She blew a blast on her golden horn,
And struck to left and right.

It was Hervik, the Earl's daughter,
So gallantly she rode;—
She clove to the shoulders every knight
Who forth against her strode.

She clove to the shoulders every knight
Who forth against her strode,
Till only Örvarodd and his two companions
Survivors of the army stood.

The Hervik HMG is an experimental Wesi heavy machine gun designed to replace both 12.7x108mm and 14.5x114mm weapons with a single, lightweight platform that is easily man-portable. While initial signs were promising, the project has since run over budget and time and has not yielded sufficiently good results to justify the replacement of existing systems.

(note: the description is subject to change, as the data has not yet been run through anything more than the Powley Computer, which extrapolated data. As such, tweaks may yet be made depending on what LoadAmmo comes up with)

HE projectile: 5.4 gram fill weight, 54.8 grams total weight, 850 m/s muzzle velocity from a 1000mm barrel.

AP Projectile: 61.8 grams weight, 860 m/s muzzle velocity from a 1000mm barrel

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Slide velocity is still important or the gun will shoot itself to pieces. For small low-pressure rounds there may be some slight weight savings - for more serious stuff there will have to be some other way of reducing slide velocity since you can't easily add weight to a stamped slide.

Even in what is, essentially, an MP5 in pistol form? Alright then, I take your word.

[The balkens]

Tag since for some reason all of my posts in this thread are gone from my history.

[Bezombia]

Tag since for some reason all of my posts in this thread are gone from my history.

Just use bookmarks.

[Bezombia]

not sure what wiki is citing but it claims 600m while world guns claims 300-400m take that how you will
also it's a PSO-1 a 4X optic which is what you should use. 500M is't necessarily "sniper" range more of marksman range.

I've never seen a modern precision optic with less than 6X magnification. Heck, my friend even uses 6X on his AR-15 when shooting out to 500 meters at steel plates (hard to hear the ringing, though).

EDIT: VKS also uses a 6X optic. I'm guessing that's the way to go.

Use a variable zoom 4x-14x and issue that same optic to every sniper rifle/DMR/AMR.

[Triplebaconation]

Slide velocity is still important or the gun will shoot itself to pieces. For small low-pressure rounds there may be some slight weight savings - for more serious stuff there will have to be some other way of reducing slide velocity since you can't easily add weight to a stamped slide.

Even in what is, essentially, an MP5 in pistol form? Alright then, I take your word.

When the recoil buffer on P9s failed, they wouldn't last another magazine before the stamped steel slide was deformed to the point of locking up.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

When the recoil buffer on P9s failed, they wouldn't last another magazine before the stamped steel slide was deformed to the point of locking up.

Well then, milled it shall remain.

I appreciate the input.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Jungle carbine. Caliber .44 Chevalier. Folding stock. 13'' barrel. (because you don't use metric with lever rifles.)


:')

[Puzikas]

What kind of scope magnification could I expect to place on an integrally-suppressed sniping rifle firing subsonic 10.42 x 45 mm loads?

I'm going for a PSO-1 style reticule on this one, just to mention.

And others....

The PSO that's used on 9x39 weapons is specially made with the proper drop chevrons to denote the drop of the 9x39mm projectiles, as opposed to the PSOs you see on SVDs (7N1) or AKs (7.62x39 57-N-231 and 5.45x39 7N6) which have chevrons for drop with each respective round.

Using Optics with the 9x39mm series weapons is not explicitly for marksmanship (VSS and VSK-94 Notwithstanding) at ranges but rather to improve combat shooting performance. Its not issued as standard with a PSO-1.

The round yours in question uses would likely be better suited for ranges below 500-600m like most subsonic rounds. At this distance a scope with a magnification level between 4x and 8x would be ideally what you want.

[Triplebaconation]

[Imperializt Russia]

What's that at the end of the sight, Danton?

not sure what wiki is citing but it claims 600m while world guns claims 300-400m take that how you will
also it's a PSO-1 a 4X optic which is what you should use. 500M is't necessarily "sniper" range more of marksman range.

I've never seen a modern precision optic with less than 6X magnification. Heck, my friend even uses 6X on his AR-15 when shooting out to 500 meters at steel plates (hard to hear the ringing, though).

EDIT: VKS also uses a 6X optic. I'm guessing that's the way to go.

The VKS isn't intended for quite the same role as the VSS.
Hence why they use different optics, and key point, cartridges.

EDIT: VKS also uses a 6X optic. I'm guessing that's the way to go.

The VKS appears to be precisely what I am after for this.

The VKS is practically an AMR, it pushes a thousand-grain projectile. The VSS is an automatic weapon for "general" issue amongst special forces.
What's your weapon supposed to be?

On a new topic, I would like to discus anti-ship cannons vs Anti-ship missiles vs Anti-ship Lasers. I would assume that cannons would be simpler since you could carry more ammo however the pitch of a ship on the high seas might ruin their aim. Missiles don't have those problems and they are longer ranged. That being said, I don't think you could carry a vast amount of Missiles on board your ship with warheads that big enough to do a decent amount of damage. Lasers would hit instantly but would need a lot of energy and battery. This would force the ship to be massive just for one laser.

Lasers would not be powerful enough. They suffer some limits from atmospheric conditions and the sea environment itself. We only recently had lasers that could burn an outboard motor out and damage components on aircraft. Laser systems could damage a limited quantity of shipboard systems but actually locating one to burn out would be a challenge in itself.

Soviet air defence cruisers carried twenty heavy AShMs, each carrying a three-quarter-tonne warhead. As well as three hundred air defence missiles.

Other Soviet-era missiles, as well as being powerful enough to hit high supersonic velocities in terminal stages were mounting warheads of 500kg to one tonne.

There is also the logic that on the few occasions you will be within gun range of enemy ships, you will be well within missile range. Defensive cordons of naval groups run to hundreds of kilometres between aircraft, air defences and missile defence.

It's taking the country by storm I hear.

Now make show him the bogan grip. Same stance, modified taunt.

ye avin a giggle ther m8? ill bash yer fookin ead in i swear on me mum

That's not bogan, that's chav, you tit.

The modern world disagrees with you, and find that you can carry more than enough AShMs that can kill ships. Cannons are far too short ranged compared to missiles, but longer ranged (although less accurate) than lasers.

Lasers, well, I'm not big on Longsword sized ships whose main weapon only has a range of twenty kilometres or so.

But for the missiles you need the fuel for them as well. Thats another possible explosion waiting to happen. Where as cannon shells work similar, not the same, to your basic firearm.

Solid rocket fuel is highly insensitive.
Meanwhile, gun magazines on ships have historically been catastrophically dangerous.

[Immoren]

What I wasn't talking about? Now I'm confused

Anyway, what are your armies squad sizes?

For mine, its twelve.

Squad leader - (Corporal-Sergeant ;AR)
First fire and manouvre team

RPG Gunner - (Private-Private First Class; AR, RPG)
RPG Gunner's assistant (Private-Private First Class; AR)

Second fire and manouvre team

RPG Gunner - (Private-Private First Class; AR, RPG)
RPG Gunner's assistant (Private-Private First Class; AR)

Third fire and manouvre team

Machine gunner - (Private-Private First Class; PKM)
Designated marksman/2iC - (Private First Class-Lance Corporal; SVD)

CV9040 Crew

Vehicle commander - (Corporal-Sergeant ;AR)
Driver - (Private-Lance Corporal; AR)
Gunner - (Private-Lance Corporal; AR)

First team

Squad leader - (Corporal-Sergeant ;AR, disposable AT-launcher)
Designated marksman - (Private-Private First Class; SVD, disposable AT-launcher)
RTO - (Private-Private First Class; AR, disposable AT-launcher)

Second team

Team leader - (Private first class- lance corporal; AR, disposable AT-launcher)
Machine gunner - (Private-Private First Class; PKM)
Demoman - (Private-Private First Class; AR, mines,disposable AT-launcher)

Third team

Squad 2ic - (lance corporal-Corporal; AR, disposable AT-launcher)
Machine gunner - (Private-Private First Class; PKM)
Combat life saver - (Private-Private First Class; AR, Disposable AT-launcher)

Squad leader (Ensign-Lieutenant, AR)

Team alpha

Team leader leader (Sergeant-Sergeant First Class, AR/UBGL)
Machine gunner (Corporal-Sergeant, PKM)
Machine gunner's assistant (Corporal-Sergeant, AR)
Designated marksman (Corporal-Sergeant, SVD)

Teams bravo and charlie

Team leader leader (Sergeant-Sergeant First Class, AR)
Automatic Rifleman (Corporal-Sergeant, IAR)
Grenadier (Corporal-Sergeant, AR/UBGL)
Rifleman (Corporal-Sergeant, AR)

Squad leader (Corporal-Sergeant, AR)
LWMMG Team

(Lance corporal-Corporal, AR)
Machine gunner (Private-Private First Class, LWMMG)
Machine gunner's assistant (Private-Private First Clas, AR)

2XRPG Team

(Lance corporal-Corporal, AR)
Gunner (Private-Private First Class, RPG-7M AR)
Gunner's assistant (Private-Private First Class, AR)

[Coltarin]

super snip

>20XX
>not using rail guns

Come on guys, get with it.

[Imperializt Russia]

pffft

Use Marines, like real men.

[The balkens]

pffft

Use Royal Marines, like real men.

Fixed because kour would've done the same thing.

[Imperializt Russia]

Strictly speaking, I should have said "Naval Infantry".

[The balkens]

Strictly speaking, I should have said "Naval Infantry".

But it sounds a tad bland to me.

[Kouralia]

I use the Silverfin Guards Commandos.

*nods*

[Imperializt Russia]

Strictly speaking, I should have said "Naval Infantry".

But it sounds a tad bland to me.

Tell it to the Russians.

[Kouralia]

But it sounds a tad bland to me.

Tell it to the Russians.

Oi, Puz mate. Russia's marines have a bland name.

[The balkens]

But it sounds a tad bland to me.

Tell it to the Russians.

I'm going to be honest, I based my military off the Russians for the first 5 months I was on here.

I then regained my sanity and choose what it is now.

Tell it to the Russians.

Oi, Puz mate. Russia's marines have a bland name.

Danke Kour.

Also, since this has something to do with infantry....a little bit. I still use the OT-810 for mechanized infantry within the Chimera korps. Thoughts? Or should I take it the vehicle thread?

[Puzikas]

Tell it to the Russians.

Oi, Puz mate. Russia's marines have a bland name.

Yea but I have to say we look good doing it.
I loved that jacket...

Plus the only countrys with a good name for their marines are Brazil (Corps of Naval Fusiliers), Norway (The Coastal Ranger Command (Kystjegerkommandoen)) and South Korea with their damned ROKM, who simply by virtue of being so incredibly terrifying for an Asiatic nations marine force, have an inherit badass name.

[Triplebaconation]

What's that at the end of the sight, Danton?.

A frosted plastic dome.