The NS Infantry Discussion Thread MkII*

[Paddy O Fernature]

The cops here started carrying a second duty pistol about a year ago, cause apparently, fuck reloading.

And no, this does not count as the backup they already carry in a pocket or ankle holster.

Dafuq?!

Pretty much. It's becoming more popular among both LEO's and CCW holders.

It's pretty sad, when I see beat cops carrying more personal firepower then what I carried on a daily basis in downtown Baghdad.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

The most heavily armed duty cop I've ever seen stopped by work today. Dude had a USP-45 and what I swear was a three-gun competition belt with eight magazines in it.

The cops here started carrying a second duty pistol about a year ago, cause apparently, fuck reloading.

And no, this does not count as the backup they already carry in a pocket or ankle holster.

Dat New York reload.

[Nua Corda]

Dafuq?!

Pretty much. It's becoming more popular among both LEO's and CCW holders.

It's pretty sad, when I see beat cops carrying more personal firepower then what I carried on a daily basis in downtown Baghdad.

Well, outside of North Minneapolis, we don't see a whole lot of violent crime around here. Mostly just the occasional inept mugging or botched armed robbery.

[Paddy O Fernature]

The cops here started carrying a second duty pistol about a year ago, cause apparently, fuck reloading.

And no, this does not count as the backup they already carry in a pocket or ankle holster.

Dat New York reload.

It's taking the country by storm I hear.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Pretty much. It's becoming more popular among both LEO's and CCW holders.

It's pretty sad, when I see beat cops carrying more personal firepower then what I carried on a daily basis in downtown Baghdad.

Well, outside of North Minneapolis, we don't see a whole lot of violent crime around here. Mostly just the occasional inept mugging or botched armed robbery.

Around here, wild animals are more of a threat then people are, thanks to the Government reintroducing Wolves and driving all the furry critters out of the mountains and into the streets.

[The balkens]

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Is it reasonable to give each squad leader teh under-barrel grenade launcher?

It's done, IIRC, by the USMC, but I've heard that it prevents the leader from doing both his roles (leader and grenadier) effectively.

Vikings?
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- Sons of Arngrim
- Ceffyl Dŵr
- Knuckers
- Sea-Kings

On a new topic, I would like to discus anti-ship cannons vs Anti-ship missiles vs Anti-ship Lasers. I would assume that cannons would be simpler since you could carry more ammo however the pitch of a ship on the high seas might ruin their aim. Missiles don't have those problems and they are longer ranged. That being said, I don't think you could carry a vast amount of Missiles on board your ship with warheads that big enough to do a decent amount of damage. Lasers would hit instantly but would need a lot of energy and battery. This would force the ship to be massive just for one laser.

The modern world disagrees with you, and find that you can carry more than enough AShMs that can kill ships. Cannons are far too short ranged compared to missiles, but longer ranged (although less accurate) than lasers.

Lasers, well, I'm not big on Longsword sized ships whose main weapon only has a range of twenty kilometres or so.

I tend to stay away from FT/pmt unless its with friends.

[Nua Corda]

Well, outside of North Minneapolis, we don't see a whole lot of violent crime around here. Mostly just the occasional inept mugging or botched armed robbery.

Around here, wild animals are more of a threat then people are, thanks to the Government reintroducing Wolves and driving all the furry critters out of the mountains and into the streets.

But... but... teh uber kawwaiii desu wolfie sparkle love! U cant kill powr defenswes quetures!!111!!!

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Dat New York reload.

It's taking the country by storm I hear.

Now make show him the bogan grip. Same stance, modified taunt.

ye avin a giggle ther m8? ill bash yer fookin ead in i swear on me mum

[Aqizithiuda]

It's done, IIRC, by the USMC, but I've heard that it prevents the leader from doing both his roles (leader and grenadier) effectively.



- Sons of Arngrim
- Ceffyl Dŵr
- Knuckers
- Sea-Kings



The modern world disagrees with you, and find that you can carry more than enough AShMs that can kill ships. Cannons are far too short ranged compared to missiles, but longer ranged (although less accurate) than lasers.

Lasers, well, I'm not big on Longsword sized ships whose main weapon only has a range of twenty kilometres or so.

I tend to stay away from FT/pmt unless its with friends.

Hm?

[The balkens]

I tend to stay away from FT/pmt unless its with friends.

Hm?

Oh that's what you weren't talking about? Never mind, look away....

[Aqizithiuda]

Hm?

Oh that's what you weren't talking about? Never mind, look away....

What I wasn't talking about? Now I'm confused

[The balkens]

Oh that's what you weren't talking about? Never mind, look away....

What I wasn't talking about? Now I'm confused

Anyway, what are your armies squad sizes?

For mine, its twelve.

[Triplebaconation]

Made some revisions.

[Aqizithiuda]

What I wasn't talking about? Now I'm confused

Anyway, what are your armies squad sizes?

For mine, its twelve.

Trigg uses twelve as well:

Support

- Leader
- Grenadier
- DMR
- MG
- MG Assistant (x2)

Assault

- 2IC
- Automatic Rifleman
- Rifleman (x4)

Kiengir uses ten for standard infantry:

Squad A

- Leader
- MG
- MG Assistant
- Rifleman (x2)

Squad B

- 2IC
- MG
- MG Assistant
- Rifleman (x2)

[Vancon]

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Is it reasonable to give each squad leader teh under-barrel grenade launcher?

It's done, IIRC, by the USMC, but I've heard that it prevents the leader from doing both his roles (leader and grenadier) effectively.

Vikings?
.

- Sons of Arngrim
- Ceffyl Dŵr
- Knuckers
- Sea-Kings

On a new topic, I would like to discus anti-ship cannons vs Anti-ship missiles vs Anti-ship Lasers. I would assume that cannons would be simpler since you could carry more ammo however the pitch of a ship on the high seas might ruin their aim. Missiles don't have those problems and they are longer ranged. That being said, I don't think you could carry a vast amount of Missiles on board your ship with warheads that big enough to do a decent amount of damage. Lasers would hit instantly but would need a lot of energy and battery. This would force the ship to be massive just for one laser.

The modern world disagrees with you, and find that you can carry more than enough AShMs that can kill ships. Cannons are far too short ranged compared to missiles, but longer ranged (although less accurate) than lasers.

Lasers, well, I'm not big on Longsword sized ships whose main weapon only has a range of twenty kilometres or so.

But for the missiles you need the fuel for them as well. Thats another possible explosion waiting to happen. Where as cannon shells work similar, not the same, to your basic firearm.

[Aqizithiuda]

It's done, IIRC, by the USMC, but I've heard that it prevents the leader from doing both his roles (leader and grenadier) effectively.



- Sons of Arngrim
- Ceffyl Dŵr
- Knuckers
- Sea-Kings



The modern world disagrees with you, and find that you can carry more than enough AShMs that can kill ships. Cannons are far too short ranged compared to missiles, but longer ranged (although less accurate) than lasers.

Lasers, well, I'm not big on Longsword sized ships whose main weapon only has a range of twenty kilometres or so.

But for the missiles you need the fuel for them as well. Thats another possible explosion waiting to happen. Where as cannon shells work similar, not the same, to your basic firearm.

Which means they need propellant as well, which is just as much at risk of exploding as the missile fuel.

[Kouralia]

I tend to stay away from FT/pmt unless its with friends.

MT/FanT masterrace

What I wasn't talking about? Now I'm confused

Anyway, what are your armies squad sizes?

For mine, its twelve.

An Infantry Section of the Corps of Infantry consists of eight individuals, divided up into two fireteams of four. Charlie, or the 'Assault' Fireteam is led by the Section IC, a Corporal. Delta, or the 'Support' Fireteam is led by the Section 2IC, a Lance Corporal. Despite being classed as either Assault or Support, both Fireteams are actually identical when on operations, giving the section the flexibility to use whichever is made best suited to a task by uncontrollable factors, such as the terrain or injuries. Of the weapons below, the first three are carried without question by the forces, however the missiles and rockets may be left behind by the section in their vehicles and will only be brought if thought necessary. Each Fireteam has an NCO (entrusted with command), a Rifleman (entrusted with the ATGM), a Grenadier (entrusted with the UBGL) and a Gunner (entrusted with the GPMG).

Weapons
* 6x KAE R1A2 Combat Rifle (.280 Kouralian), or 6x KAE L63A5 Rifle (.280 Kouralian)
* 2x KAE MG-2 GPMG (.280 Kouralian)
* 2x KAE UBML (40mm Low-Velocity Grenades)
* 2x KAE Modern Anti-Tank Device (150mm Anti-Tank, Top-Attack, Fire and Forget Missile)
* 4x KAE Light Anti-Structure Rocket (66mm HEAT Unguided Rocket)
Equipment
* 8x Dual-Role Radio
* 2x Type Three Personal Infantry VHF Set
* 8x Helmet Cameras
* 2x Battlefield Intelligence Hand-held System
* 8x Helmet-Integrated Low-Light Vision and Battlefield Intelligence System
* 1x Combat Soldier's Surveillance System
Ammunition
* 1,620x .280 Rounds (9x 30 round box magazines per NCO, Rfn and Gdr)
* 800x .280 Rounds (4x 100-round belt per Gnr)
* 28x 40mm UBGL Grenades of various types (20 per Grenadier)
* 10x Fragmentation Grenade (thrown) (2 per NCO, 1 per everyone else)
* 4x Smoke Grenade (thrown) (2 per NCO)
* 8x Rifle Grenade HE (two per NCO and Rfn)
* 8x Rifle Grenade HEAT (two per NCO and Rifleman)
The Equivalent of a 'Section' for most other formations sees it with a similar equipment, but usually without the explosives or such-like. For example, a section of Military Policemen will typically just carry carbine rifles with a pair of rifle grenades and a HE grenade per man, along with a pistol.

[Inquilabstan]

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Made some revisions.

That looks a bit like something I made. My attempt at a HAC-7 based system.

[Kouralia]

The most heavily armed duty cop I've ever seen stopped by work today. Dude had a USP-45 and what I swear was a three-gun competition belt with eight magazines in it.

The most heavily armed cop I ever saw was carrying some automatic pistol. I think the SMG was in the car. <.< >.>

[Inquilabstan]

The most heavily armed duty cop I've ever seen stopped by work today. Dude had a USP-45 and what I swear was a three-gun competition belt with eight magazines in it.

The most heavily armed cop I ever saw was carrying some automatic pistol. I think the SMG was in the car. <.< >.>

I once sat next to a cop with an Ishapore SMLE clone. The guy left it with me for half an hour because he kept going up to the front of the bus we were in.

[The balkens]

Your basic run of the mill squad in the kaiserliche heer:

Panzerjager Team
1x AT gunner
1x gunners assistant
Team leader

Base of fire team
Team leader
1x automatic-Rifleman
2x Rifleman

Assault team
Squad lead
1x Rifleman
1x grenadier

MG Team
MG gunner/team leader
Gunners assistant.

It may vary on what the team composition is, depending on the need.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

The standard ArchSec light infantry squad.

1st Section

Fire team Alpha
Rifleman, Platoon/Section/Fire team IC | HK33A3 w/Optic and/or UBGL, RPG22
Rifleman, Fire team 2IC | HK33KA3, RPG22
Rifpeman | HK33KA3, RPG22
Automatic Rifleman | HK13

Fire team Bravo

Assistant Machine Gunner, Fireteam IC, Section 2IC | HK33KA3 with optic
Machine Gunner | MG42, FZ9 Machine Pistol
Grenadier, Fire team 2IC | Neopup PAW20, FZ9 Machine Pistol
Marksman | G43, FZ9 Machine Pistol

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No answers on the potential weight saving gained from doing stamped slides over milled?

[Triplebaconation]

Negligible.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Negligible.

Really? I would have thought that replacing a solid metal brick with a stamping would have shaved at least a couple hundred grams off.

[Triplebaconation]

It's not a solid brick when you mill it out, is it?

The slide has to be a certain weight for the pistol to work (well).