The NS Infantry Discussion Thread MkII*

[Black Hand]

If I can get enough of these done/actually do more small arms, maybe I'll be able to make a little book of some sort.

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Us that pistol supposed to look like a PX4

[Anemos Major]

Us that pistol supposed to look like a PX4

It's what I based it on three years ago, yep.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

I was never overly fond of the PX4. Then again, I have a bit of a thing for bricks.

[Bezombia]

I was never overly fond of the PX4. Then again, I have a bit of a thing for bricks.
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You still haven't fixed the trigger.

[Nua Corda]

Yeah, I've never seen a Beretta pistol I like. There's just something about them that makes me mildly ill.

[Bezombia]

Yeah, I've never seen a Beretta pistol I like. There's just something about them that makes me mildly ill.

Even these?

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

You still haven't fixed the trigger.

Its about as fixed as it'll ever be.

[Puzikas]

I finally made an ACTUAL service cartridge for my Afrikkan alt C. 1988.

GKM-98.8 (Geweer kasetti malli 98.8; Lit. "Rifle Cartridge, model 1988")

In order to replace the aging GSC-58 (Geweer, Slef Chargeuse, Malli 1958; Self loading rifle, Model of 1958) and the GKM 96.8 7.5mm cartridge developed for it, The Ministry of Defense requested in 1982 the development of a new rifle cartridge, one of a smaller size and of less weight in order to facilitate the carrying of more munitions on the individual person as well as within the soldiers weapon. Three rounds were submitted for testing in 1984, and trials began in early 1985. By 1988, the country announced that Bell Metallic Cartridge Company's submission, a 6.65mm Bullet, had won the contest and became the standard issue rifle cartridge for the new GSC-90 series service rifles.

The KKM 98.8 (6.5x48) uses a full metal jacket, boat tail design in a projectile weighing 92 grains. Fired from the GSC-90 series 52cm barrel, it achieves a muzzle velocity of 982 m/s (3222 f/s) loaded at 59,414 PSI (51,000 CUP/406 MPa).

Rim Diameter: 12.61mm
Rim length: 1.65mm,
Base diameter: 12.60mm
Shoulder Diameter: 11.60mm
Neck Diameter: 7.21mm
Neck Length: 7.52mm
Overall Length of case: 47.72mm
Overall length round: 65.00mm
Length of projectile (KKM-98.8 ): 24.54mm
Pressure (KKM-98.8 ): 49,414 PIS
Pressure (Max): 52,000 PSI
Cartridge Weight: 18 grams*


At a distance of 933 meters, the projectile looses its supersonic velocity. It takes only 1.4 seconds for the projectile to reach this distance.* The cartridge develops 12J (8.9 Ft. Lbs) of recoil from the 3.6kg (8lb) GSC-90*. The typical barrel life of precise shooting is 2,903 rounds.*

External ballistics
Round construction

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OOC Notes(*s):

Recoil is comparable to 6.5 Grendel, but from a slightly lighter weight rifle.

The time for exit from supersonic velocities is important to me because reasons.

The barrel life of this round is a subjective term. A .223/5.56 M855 has a barrel life of 3,013 rounds. This is a really subjective "life", as there are people who have had more than 8,000 rounds through their ARs barrels shooting such rounds, and then some. With regular cleaning and maintaining the rifle, the barrel life is a really wonky term.

The weight of this cartridge is a fine tuned, minutely calculated figure that consisted of complicated "math" known as "guessing"

Thanks to Prem for drawing the round and Aqi for teaching me how to into the bullet maker thing.

[Nua Corda]

Yeah, I've never seen a Beretta pistol I like. There's just something about them that makes me mildly ill.

Even these?

Looks like an airgun.

Groady, groady open slide.

Smith & Wesson .22 Superior



On the subject of Smith & Wesson...

The source I found stated that Mr. Winchester put money into "S&W" (with others) because S&W/Volcanic was failing financially. Saw the opportunity there, and thus invested his money. I would venture to guess Winchester Arms would have existed one way or another if Oliver was set on saving a firearms manufacturer like he did, but S&W would not had Winchester not learned of their troubles and invested in them to begin with, more or less bailing them out. Same source also says Henry didn't show up until Winchester had hired him, so I'm thinking Winchester could have had Henry work on whatever company he happened to invest in on a given day if it hadn't have been Volcanic Arms. From what else I can find, S&W started up when two employees (guess who) broke away from Volcanic Arms, "designed" (aka: used someone else's patent with their permission and gave them $0.25 per revolver sold) the bored-through revolver (Model 1) you mentioned, and had their new, metallic cartridge. Winchester had apparently created New Haven Arms in 1857 whereas the S&W Model 1 came out in 1856, so the actual S&W Co. was apparently not a part of the Winchester-owned establishment at all.

Don't get me wrong: S&W makes some dandy products, but from what I could find in my brief search, Winchester is the reason S&W still exists today and not quite the other way around beyond the fact it was Volcanic Arms that Oliver Winchester decided to buy out opposed to any other given manufacturer at the time.

That was Volcanic. Oliver Winchester was a shirtmaker and industrialist who was interested in emerging technologies, and happened to encounter a Volcanic pistol. Henry was actually a production manager at the planet where Horace Smith was working to produce the Hunt-Jennings rifle, the weapon which was developed into the Volcanic Repeater. When Smith & Wesson went to produce the Volcanic, they hired Henry, since Smith had known him while they were working on developing the Hunt Jennings together.

It's certainly possible that Winchester Arms would have existed, but it would not have been the same company, by any means.

The White patent was for a modified Colt percussion revolver converted to use a conical cartridge, loaded from the front. The only unique thing about it was the use of a bored-through cylinder. The Model 1, while it used the bored through cylinder concept, was a completely different weapon, and an original design by Wesson.

Never said it was. Actually, I'm pretty sure I said they split off before New Haven became a thing.

[Aqizithiuda]

I finally made an ACTUAL service cartridge for my Afrikkan alt C. 1988.

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GKM-98.8 (Geweer kasetti malli 98.8; Lit. "Rifle Cartridge, model 1988")

In order to replace the aging GSC-58 (Geweer, Slef Chargeuse, Malli 1958; Self loading rifle, Model of 1958) and the GKM 96.8 7.5mm cartridge developed for it, The Ministry of Defense requested in 1982 the development of a new rifle cartridge, one of a smaller size and of less weight in order to facilitate the carrying of more munitions on the individual person as well as within the soldiers weapon. Three rounds were submitted for testing in 1984, and trials began in early 1985. By 1988, the country announced that Bell Metallic Cartridge Company's submission, a 6.65mm Bullet, had won the contest and became the standard issue rifle cartridge for the new GSC-90 series service rifles.

The KKM 98.8 (6.5x48) uses a full metal jacket, boat tail design in a projectile weighing 92 grains. Fired from the GSC-90 series 52cm barrel, it achieves a muzzle velocity of 982 m/s (3222 f/s) loaded at 59,414 PSI (51,000 CUP/406 MPa).

Rim Diameter: 12.61mm
Rim length: 1.65mm,
Base diameter: 12.60mm
Shoulder Diameter: 11.60mm
Neck Diameter: 7.21mm
Neck Length: 7.52mm
Overall Length of case: 47.72mm
Overall length round: 65.00mm
Length of projectile (KKM-98.8 ): 24.54mm
Pressure (KKM-98.8 ): 49,414 PIS
Pressure (Max): 52,000 PSI
Cartridge Weight: 18 grams*


At a distance of 933 meters, the projectile looses its supersonic velocity. It takes only 1.4 seconds for the projectile to reach this distance.* The cartridge develops 12J (8.9 Ft. Lbs) of recoil from the 3.6kg (8lb) GSC-90*. The typical barrel life of precise shooting is 2,903 rounds.*

External ballistics
Round construction

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OOC Notes(*s):

Recoil is comparable to 6.5 Grendel, but from a slightly lighter weight rifle.

The time for exit from supersonic velocities is important to me because reasons.

The barrel life of this round is a subjective term. A .223/5.56 M855 has a barrel life of 3,013 rounds. This is a really subjective "life", as there are people who have had more than 8,000 rounds through their ARs barrels shooting such rounds, and then some. With regular cleaning and maintaining the rifle, the barrel life is a really wonky term.

The weight of this cartridge is a fine tuned, minutely calculated figure that consisted of complicated "math" known as "guessing"

Thanks to Prem for drawing the round and Aqi for teaching me how to into the bullet maker thing.

You're still not using it right. Everything's in inches for some reason .

[Bezombia]

I finally made an ACTUAL service cartridge for my Afrikkan alt C. 1988.

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GKM-98.8 (Geweer kasetti malli 98.8; Lit. "Rifle Cartridge, model 1988")

In order to replace the aging GSC-58 (Geweer, Slef Chargeuse, Malli 1958; Self loading rifle, Model of 1958) and the GKM 96.8 7.5mm cartridge developed for it, The Ministry of Defense requested in 1982 the development of a new rifle cartridge, one of a smaller size and of less weight in order to facilitate the carrying of more munitions on the individual person as well as within the soldiers weapon. Three rounds were submitted for testing in 1984, and trials began in early 1985. By 1988, the country announced that Bell Metallic Cartridge Company's submission, a 6.65mm Bullet, had won the contest and became the standard issue rifle cartridge for the new GSC-90 series service rifles.

The KKM 98.8 (6.5x48) uses a full metal jacket, boat tail design in a projectile weighing 92 grains. Fired from the GSC-90 series 52cm barrel, it achieves a muzzle velocity of 982 m/s (3222 f/s) loaded at 59,414 PSI (51,000 CUP/406 MPa).

Rim Diameter: 12.61mm
Rim length: 1.65mm,
Base diameter: 12.60mm
Shoulder Diameter: 11.60mm
Neck Diameter: 7.21mm
Neck Length: 7.52mm
Overall Length of case: 47.72mm
Overall length round: 65.00mm
Length of projectile (KKM-98.8 ): 24.54mm
Pressure (KKM-98.8 ): 49,414 PIS
Pressure (Max): 52,000 PSI
Cartridge Weight: 18 grams*


At a distance of 933 meters, the projectile looses its supersonic velocity. It takes only 1.4 seconds for the projectile to reach this distance.* The cartridge develops 12J (8.9 Ft. Lbs) of recoil from the 3.6kg (8lb) GSC-90*. The typical barrel life of precise shooting is 2,903 rounds.*

External ballistics
Round construction

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OOC Notes(*s):

Recoil is comparable to 6.5 Grendel, but from a slightly lighter weight rifle.

The time for exit from supersonic velocities is important to me because reasons.

The barrel life of this round is a subjective term. A .223/5.56 M855 has a barrel life of 3,013 rounds. This is a really subjective "life", as there are people who have had more than 8,000 rounds through their ARs barrels shooting such rounds, and then some. With regular cleaning and maintaining the rifle, the barrel life is a really wonky term.

The weight of this cartridge is a fine tuned, minutely calculated figure that consisted of complicated "math" known as "guessing"

Thanks to Prem for drawing the round and Aqi for teaching me how to into the bullet maker thing.

You're still not using it right. Everything's in inches for some reason .

"Estimated Bullet Weight: 1516115"

jesus christ

[Torrocca]

I was never overly fond of the PX4. Then again, I have a bit of a thing for bricks.
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Ooh, nice design, Arch!

Also, first post from me here, yay.

[Puzikas]

I finally made an ACTUAL service cartridge for my Afrikkan alt C. 1988.

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GKM-98.8 (Geweer kasetti malli 98.8; Lit. "Rifle Cartridge, model 1988")

In order to replace the aging GSC-58 (Geweer, Slef Chargeuse, Malli 1958; Self loading rifle, Model of 1958) and the GKM 96.8 7.5mm cartridge developed for it, The Ministry of Defense requested in 1982 the development of a new rifle cartridge, one of a smaller size and of less weight in order to facilitate the carrying of more munitions on the individual person as well as within the soldiers weapon. Three rounds were submitted for testing in 1984, and trials began in early 1985. By 1988, the country announced that Bell Metallic Cartridge Company's submission, a 6.65mm Bullet, had won the contest and became the standard issue rifle cartridge for the new GSC-90 series service rifles.

The KKM 98.8 (6.5x48) uses a full metal jacket, boat tail design in a projectile weighing 92 grains. Fired from the GSC-90 series 52cm barrel, it achieves a muzzle velocity of 982 m/s (3222 f/s) loaded at 59,414 PSI (51,000 CUP/406 MPa).

Rim Diameter: 12.61mm
Rim length: 1.65mm,
Base diameter: 12.60mm
Shoulder Diameter: 11.60mm
Neck Diameter: 7.21mm
Neck Length: 7.52mm
Overall Length of case: 47.72mm
Overall length round: 65.00mm
Length of projectile (KKM-98.8 ): 24.54mm
Pressure (KKM-98.8 ): 49,414 PIS
Pressure (Max): 52,000 PSI
Cartridge Weight: 18 grams*


At a distance of 933 meters, the projectile looses its supersonic velocity. It takes only 1.4 seconds for the projectile to reach this distance.* The cartridge develops 12J (8.9 Ft. Lbs) of recoil from the 3.6kg (8lb) GSC-90*. The typical barrel life of precise shooting is 2,903 rounds.*

External ballistics
Round construction

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OOC Notes(*s):

Recoil is comparable to 6.5 Grendel, but from a slightly lighter weight rifle.

The time for exit from supersonic velocities is important to me because reasons.

The barrel life of this round is a subjective term. A .223/5.56 M855 has a barrel life of 3,013 rounds. This is a really subjective "life", as there are people who have had more than 8,000 rounds through their ARs barrels shooting such rounds, and then some. With regular cleaning and maintaining the rifle, the barrel life is a really wonky term.

The weight of this cartridge is a fine tuned, minutely calculated figure that consisted of complicated "math" known as "guessing"

Thanks to Prem for drawing the round and Aqi for teaching me how to into the bullet maker thing.

You're still not using it right. Everything's in inches for some reason .

...the fuck

I ckick on it and it takes me to this:

http://imgur.com/B6QfuTg

So I guess I...linked it wrong?

[Bezombia]

You've created a projectile that weighs 98 kilograms.

That's 216 pounds or 0.1 tons for us imperial folks.


A ten round magazine of those would literally weigh a ton.

[Premislyd]

You've created a projectile that weighs 98 kilograms.

That's 216 pounds or 0.1 tons for us imperial folks.


A ten round magazine of those would literally weigh a ton.

92 gr = 98 kg?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

dat 9+ BC


*datass face*

[Bezombia]

You've created a projectile that weighs 98 kilograms.

That's 216 pounds or 0.1 tons for us imperial folks.


A ten round magazine of those would literally weigh a ton.

92 gr = 98 kg?

http://www.geoffrey-kolbe.com/cgi-bin/d ... nsity=10.4

1516115 gr

[Aqizithiuda]

You're still not using it right. Everything's in inches for some reason .

...the fuck

I ckick on it and it takes me to this:

http://imgur.com/B6QfuTg

So I guess I...linked it wrong?

Or my phone may be fuxking up the link.

Prem apparently gets the right one, anyway.

[Premislyd]

http://www.geoffrey-kolbe.com/cgi-bin/d ... nsity=10.4

92 gr

Edit:

...the fuck

I ckick on it and it takes me to this:

http://imgur.com/B6QfuTg

So I guess I...linked it wrong?

Or my phone may be fuxking up the link.

Prem apparently gets the right one, anyway.

Only because he showed me on the IRC.

[Black Hand]

Us that pistol supposed to look like a PX4

It's what I based it on three years ago, yep.

Is there a reason why it doesn't come in 9X19 compact?
also a .357 sig version?

[Anemos Major]

Is there a reason why it doesn't come in 9X19 compact?
also a .357 sig version?

It does.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Speaking of pistols, would anyone be willing to guess the weight savings made by using a stamped slide instead of milled?

[Black Hand]

Is there a reason why it doesn't come in 9X19 compact?
also a .357 sig version?

It does.

according to the picture (Ad?) the only compacts are .45 compact and .45 compact police.


I have realized that any form of modern glove is going to be insufficient for my troops needs given power armor, any ideas or suggestions?
I'm thinking of having most of the padding integrated into the armor and having a Underlying general purpose glove maybe a cordura outer layer with a neoprene liner. I also realized that this in turn means I need to have all of my current issue firearms have much larger Triggers, grips and controls.

[Crookfur]

What does everyone think of my final rifle?
Finished Double Barrel Percussion Rifle

Stat Block
Weight 10-15 pounds
Caliber .54 caliber round shot
Action percussion cap
Rate of fire User-dependent
Effective firing range 400 yards
Feed system Muzzle loaded
Sights Open blade sight

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There isn't a huge amount to say in regard to the data other asking for either a time period or exactly what kind of muzzle loading rifle it is: does it use patched balls (ala baker/most early rifles), mechanically fitted balls (ala brunswick), minnie balls (or one of the various french precusors) mechcnically fitted conical "balls" (ala general jacobs stuff) or something else.

On the image:

The stock need a lot more work, its just seems a lump stuck on at the last minute as it is. For double rifles a nciely shaped stock would pretty much be expected as they would tend to be custom/private order guns. it wouldn't hurt to either copy the jacob carbine stock profile or maybe take inspiration from some servcie rifle examples like the baker and brunswick.

The barrels also look very spindly and oddly tapered. A pixel or two extra diameter would improve things greatly

[Imperializt Russia]

SHIELD-expy agents? Now that's definitely the sort of thing I want my weapons being used for!

I can't wait for one of them to actually shoot someone. The closest they came was one of their pistols being fired (not by the agent in question) in the TARDIS. As any Dr Who fan will tell you, firing guns in the TARDIS has less than acceptable results.

I feel like I'm missing a leap of logic, but when was a SHIELD gun in the TARDIS?
I'm aware of Melody shooting the console, yes.