The NS Infantry Discussion Thread MkII*

[The balkens]

Didn't the Chinese develop a bullpup AK? (Or rather a type 56)

A few people have developed bullpup AKs.
This is nothing new.

Im talking about bolt action rifles here. Things that are not designed from the ground up in this case are really shitty.

I am a firm believer of this as well.

[Aqizithiuda]

wanna see a proper epic bullpup?

Would this be described as 'winning'?

Only if you post the internals as well

(you take things even further than Purp )

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Unlike the previous series, this thread Is for the discussion of of your nations military's small arms, body armor, uniform, communications gear, and other general equipment. All tech levels are welcome, but please understand that this thread tends to be geared towards modern and post modern tech, so designs operating on unobtainium or other FT wankery are bound to be criticized from a realistic perspective.

I still get a chuckle from this.

What kind of carnifex are we talking about? the wasp, Crab or Weird cat thingy?
wait it's the 40K thing isn't it?

Yup. Me Ulfr and Tsavon haven't really discussed the large examples of Nathi that much, but NotCarnifexes are pretty much what I imagine them as. That rifle is Fordorsia's answer to their appearance during the Deep War.



30x200mm Armour-Piercing Fragmentation is glory.

That looks painful to use for some reason :|

[Puzikas]

Totally unrelated image of helmets


So TFB reported a report that shooters who learn with Red Dot Optics with handguns tend to shoot better than those do not.


do you issue electronic optics with pistols?

I do not.

[Fordorsia]

Yup. Me Ulfr and Tsavon haven't really discussed the large examples of Nathi that much, but NotCarnifexes are pretty much what I imagine them as. That rifle is Fordorsia's answer to their appearance during the Deep War.

(Image)

30x200mm Armour-Piercing Fragmentation is glory.

That looks painful to use for some reason :|

Some reason? I thought it was pretty clear why.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Totally unrelated image of helmets


So TFB reported a report that shooters who learn with Red Dot Optics with handguns tend to shoot better than those do not.


do you issue electronic optics with pistols?

I do not.

Depends on the use. Special forces, yes. General issue, no.

[Dat cua Tien]

Any reason why I couldn't use a reusable RPG-7-esque launcher, but the rockets having RPG-76 style motors? The only thing I thought of was it would throw balance off a little bit without needing a tube to go over the shoulder, but I doubt the large warheads for the RPG-7 are balanced anyways, and the tube on the shoulder wouldn't have much weight to begin with so I had discredited the concern.

Bump. I think this is a pretty usable design, and I'll probably add some sort of plexiglass for face protection as I'll be bumping up the motor size as well. Thoughts?

Totally unrelated image of helmets


So TFB reported a report that shooters who learn with Red Dot Optics with handguns tend to shoot better than those do not.


do you issue electronic optics with pistols?

I do not.

No, but I can certainly believe it. My groups with red dots vs. iron sights are halved, from a rifle.

I've been lusting after an M&P CORE though.

[Spreewerke]

Totally unrelated image of helmets


So TFB reported a report that shooters who learn with Red Dot Optics with handguns tend to shoot better than those do not.


do you issue electronic optics with pistols?

I do not.

I had a really difficult time trying to pick up the red dot on a handgun. If I remember right, it was an RMR on a Glock, and it took me forever to find where the dot sat in the sight. Irons (well, plastics in this case)? Way easier to just bring up onto target, at least for me. Completely different story when it comes to rifles, though.

[The balkens]

Totally unrelated image of helmets


So TFB reported a report that shooters who learn with Red Dot Optics with handguns tend to shoot better than those do not.


do you issue electronic optics with pistols?

I do not.

I don't. Pointless in my opinion.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

That looks painful to use for some reason :|

Some reason? I thought it was pretty clear why.

Don't really know much of its purpose.

[The balkens]

Some reason? I thought it was pretty clear why.

Don't really know much of its purpose.

Looks like a AT rifle.

[Aqizithiuda]

Totally unrelated image of helmets


So TFB reported a report that shooters who learn with Red Dot Optics with handguns tend to shoot better than those do not.


do you issue electronic optics with pistols?

I do not.

Triggthiuda: no, because they're an extra expense and practical accuracy with a pistol isn't going to be too good with or without the RDS

Kienğal: yes, because the standard issue "pistol" is more of a PDW than a pistol and is expected to be used out to 200 metres if necessary, so every little bit helps. Also, it's a shiny thing, and Kienğal likes shiny things.

[Tule]

Totally unrelated image of helmets


So TFB reported a report that shooters who learn with Red Dot Optics with handguns tend to shoot better than those do not.


do you issue electronic optics with pistols?

I do not.

No, but the standard issue sidearm comes with a laser sight.

[Ulfr-Reich]

Totally unrelated image of helmets


So TFB reported a report that shooters who learn with Red Dot Optics with handguns tend to shoot better than those do not.


do you issue electronic optics with pistols?

I do not.

Negative, it would be a wasteful expense and just something else to have to fix back at a FOB or on the "line".

[Romic]

did the barrel and lock change. And the one tone
Still double barrel percussion rifled

This is my second attempt.
Still a WIP.

[Nua Corda]

Any reason why I couldn't use a reusable RPG-7-esque launcher, but the rockets having RPG-76 style motors? The only thing I thought of was it would throw balance off a little bit without needing a tube to go over the shoulder, but I doubt the large warheads for the RPG-7 are balanced anyways, and the tube on the shoulder wouldn't have much weight to begin with so I had discredited the concern.

Bump. I think this is a pretty usable design, and I'll probably add some sort of plexiglass for face protection as I'll be bumping up the motor size as well. Thoughts?

Totally unrelated image of helmets


So TFB reported a report that shooters who learn with Red Dot Optics with handguns tend to shoot better than those do not.


do you issue electronic optics with pistols?

I do not.

No, but I can certainly believe it. My groups with red dots vs. iron sights are halved, from a rifle.

I've been lusting after an M&P CORE though.

Dat M&P CORE knows how to lay the smack on a bitch. I got to put five rounds through one at a Smith & Wesson demo shoot, and I fell in love on the spot.

[The balkens]

God I love S&W. Some of the best handguns on the planet.

[Nua Corda]

God I love S&W. Some of the best handguns on the planet.

And we have them to thank for those wonderful Winchester Lever Guns.

[Romic]

Finished Double Barrel Percussion Rifle

Stat Block
Weight 10-15 pounds
Caliber .54 caliber round shot
Action percussion cap
Rate of fire User-dependent
Effective firing range 400 yards
Feed system Muzzle loaded
Sights Open blade sight

[The balkens]

God I love S&W. Some of the best handguns on the planet.

And we have them to thank for those wonderful Winchester Lever Guns.

I thought the Winchester company made them? Designed by John browning?

Or are we talking about the same rifle?

[Nua Corda]

And we have them to thank for those wonderful Winchester Lever Guns.

I thought the Winchester company made them? Designed by John browning?

Or are we talking about the same rifle?

When Sam Colt got the patent for the revolver, he litigated it aggressively. In the process, he put young Dan Wesson out of business, since the revolver Wesson designed was infringing on the patent. Wesson teamed up with Horace Smith to create the Volcanic Repeating Arms Company, to make pistols and rifles based on a design for a repeating rifle and rocket ball ammunition developed by Walter Hunt (who is better known for inventing the safety pin). Smith and Wesson, together with a fellow named B Tyler Henry, perfected the design, and sold it as the Volcanic Repeater. Eventually, since rocket ball ammunition sucks ass, B Tyler Henry designed a rimfire .44 cartridge, and redesigned the rifle to fire it, creating the Henry Rifle. The Volcanic Arms company was created with startup money from a number of investors, including one Oliver Winchester, who eventually bought out the company and renamed it the New Haven Arms Company. Later, he changed the name to Winchester Repeating Arms, and the rest is history.

Eventually, after Smith and Wesson left to create a revolver company which would turn the tables on Colt with a patent for a bored-through cylinder, Winchester would team up with John Browning to produce a series of new designs intended to handle more powerful cartridges, but without Horace Smith and Daniel Wesson, it is very likely that Winchester Arms never would have existed in the first place.

[The balkens]

I thought the Winchester company made them? Designed by John browning?

Or are we talking about the same rifle?

When Sam Colt got the patent for the revolver, he litigated it aggressively. In the process, he put young Dan Wesson out of business, since the revolver Wesson designed was infringing on the patent. Wesson teamed up with Horace Smith to create the Volcanic Repeating Arms Company, to make pistols and rifles based on a design for a repeating rifle and rocket ball ammunition developed by Walter Hunt (who is better known for inventing the safety pin). Smith and Wesson, together with a fellow named B Tyler Henry, perfected the design, and sold it as the Volcanic Repeater. Eventually, since rocket ball ammunition sucks ass, B Tyler Henry designed a rimfire .44 cartridge, and redesigned the rifle to fire it, creating the Henry Rifle. The Volcanic Arms company was created with startup money from a number of investors, including one Oliver Winchester, who eventually bought out the company and renamed it the New Haven Arms Company. Later, he changed the name to Winchester Repeating Arms, and the rest is history.

Eventually, after Smith and Wesson left to create a revolver company which would turn the tables on Colt with a patent for a bored-through cylinder, Winchester would team up with John Browning to produce a series of new designs intended to handle more powerful cartridges, but without Horace Smith and Daniel Wesson, it is very likely that Winchester Arms never would have existed in the first place.

Ah.....
You seriously make me look like a amature gun collector.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

do you issue electronic optics with pistols?

I do not.

No. As much as it may pain some people to hear it the advantages an optic on a handgun are marginal at best.

[Alimeria-]

Everything can go backwards.
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Everything.

If I recall, some people still use muskets for hunting. Not like the old Kentucky rifle or the Bess but a "modern" musket, scope and all.

Muzzleloading rifles, not muskets. Muskets are smoothbore. In some place it's pretty much required to hunt with them, unless you want to use a shotgun, or a bow

Also now I feel like I should make a 1px=1mm version of my bullpup bolt-actions

[Immoren]

Which career progression for infantry soldier within light/mechanized role infantry squad in hypothetical alternative reality Immorean "professional force".

First team

Squad leader - (Staff Sergeant)
Designated marksman - (Lance Corporal)
RTO - (Private)

Second team

Team leader - (Sergeant)
Machine gunner - (Lance Corporal)
Demoman - (Private)

Third team

Squad 2ic - (Corporal)
Machine gunner - (Lance Corporal)
Combat life saver - (Private)

First team

Squad leader - (Staff Sergeant)
Designated marksman - (Private)
RTO - (Lance Corporal)

Second team

Team leader - (Sergeant)
Machine gunner - (Private)
Demoman - (Lance Corporal)

Third team

Squad 2ic - (Corporal)
Machine gunner - (Private)
Combat life saver - (Lance Corporal)

First team

Squad leader - (Sergeant)
Designated marksman - (Private)
RTO - (Privatel)

Second team

Team leader - (Corporal)
Machine gunner - (Private)
Demoman - (Private)

Third team

Squad 2ic - (Lance Corporal)
Machine gunner - (Private)
Combat life saver - (Private)

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