The NS Infantry Discussion Thread MkII*

[The Republic of Lanos]

So everyone probably knows about the US Army issuing M3 Carl Gustav recoilless rifles being issued to infantry units. What I'm wondering is why wasn't that done earlier in the war?

Also, who uses what for their AT stuff?

[Romic]

My First Line Art WIP

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I used PAINT.net and used the straight and curve lines on the lighter colored lines and the darker was hand.

Percussion, Muzzle Loaded, Riffled Barrel

I decided against the Flip bayonet and may not draw one just because I don't want to

[San-Silvacian]

So everyone probably knows about the US Army issuing M3 Carl Gustav recoilless rifles being issued to infantry units. What I'm wondering is why wasn't that done earlier in the war?

Also, who uses what for their AT stuff?

iirc the US Rangers have been using the M3 since the mid-1980s. However its been recently that the grunts are getting them.

AT weapons:

AT-4 - disposable AT launcher
MBT LAW - man portable, light guided AT launcher
APILAS - disposable AT launcher
MILAN - anti-tank guided missile
Wasp 58 - disposable AT launcher
ERYX - anti-tank guided missile
Carl Gustav Recoilles Rifle - multi-purpose launcher

[Nua Corda]

My lineart any good?

It's definitely one of the best first attempts I've seen, but there are a few things that could use correcting.

For starters, your perspective is a tad odd. I get that you're trying to show the double barrels, but it's not consistent (the trigger guard, for example, looks like it's canted to the side), and most people stick with a flat profile perspective, even when the weapon in question has two barrels. The double barrel thing is an issue too, but I'll toss that in at the end.

The line weight is also problematic. Differing line-weights are great, as they can help accentuate features and give it a very distinctive look, but if you do it wrong it just looks off. When I draw, I use three weights: 1pt for the outline of the weapon as a whole, .75pt for outlining parts within the overall silhouette, and .5pt for angle and perspective lines which are not actual divisions between parts. Nowadays, the .5pt lines always get deleted, but that's easier to do in Flash than pdn or paint. You can see what I'm talking about in this early WIP of Rollerpup:



As it stands, you've accentuated certain parts and left others in the background in a manner which looks a bit.. off.

Other than that, the lineart is, as I said, one of the better first attempts I've seen. You've managed to avoid making it look pixelated, or relying on small scale to avoid detail, which are both excellent feats.

As for the technical aspects of the weapon itself....

Guns caught on because they were cheaper than longbows. This might sound odd, since you'd think a bow would be cheaper than a gun, but it's true. Archery requires a great deal more skill than musketry, and archers needed a lot of training. Muskets, by comparison, were very simple to use, and didn't require much strength or skill, so training could be accomplished quickly and cheaply. An individual weapon was more expensive to make than a bow, but overall it was cheaper and quicker. But, when you add a second barrel, the gun becomes almost twice as expensive. A musket or rifle of this type is incredibly simple; the two most expensive parts are the lock, and the barrel. When you double that, you double the price. You also vastly increase the weight, which was already a problem on weapons of this type. As a result, double barreled weapons were never issued in large quantities by any military, simply because it wasn't worth the extra expense and weight to give a single soldier an extra shot, when it takes twice as long to reload anyway, and you can just have a giant line of soldiers firing in drill. Double rifles were popular with hunters of dangerous game, because that extra shot might save their life, and because they could afford it, and typically had horses or elephants to carry extra weight, but they were never military weapons.

Military weapons also typically had long wooden stocks which extended almost to the muzzle, presumably to protect the barrel from the type of abuse they were likely to encounter in the field, and to make them easier to use as a spear with the bayonet attacked.

OAL similar to .280 British?

Yes, that was the idea, though I'm open to input.

Then you might be interested in the modernized version of Rollerpup, once I finish it (should be fairly soon).

[Blackledge]

So everyone probably knows about the US Army issuing M3 Carl Gustav recoilless rifles being issued to infantry units. What I'm wondering is why wasn't that done earlier in the war?

US defense contractors are a greedy and fickle bunch?

Also, who uses what for their AT stuff?

The only thing I have down pat is an 86mm notCG.

Then you might be interested in the modernized version of Rollerpup, once I finish it (should be fairly soon).

I'm all ears and not in rush.

[Black Hand]

So everyone probably knows about the US Army issuing M3 Carl Gustav recoilless rifles being issued to infantry units. What I'm wondering is why wasn't that done earlier in the war?

Also, who uses what for their AT stuff?
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RPG-32 clone, 105mm Squad level
150mm NLAW clone Airborne and Special Combat forces (Ranger analogs)
Ground based variant of the AT-16 scallion for emplaced guided AT-weapon

[The balkens]

So everyone probably knows about the US Army issuing M3 Carl Gustav recoilless rifles being issued to infantry units. What I'm wondering is why wasn't that done earlier in the war?

Also, who uses what for their AT stuff?

The Balken Imperial Armed Forces uses the PanzerFaust III.

However after realising that in today's culture that the name could spark hilarity within the ranks, high Command issued order codenamed "seriously guys its not that funny." In which orders that from now on that Panzerjager teams are to refer to the weapon as the PF3.

Cookies for however gets the joke.

[San-Silvacian]

So everyone probably knows about the US Army issuing M3 Carl Gustav recoilless rifles being issued to infantry units. What I'm wondering is why wasn't that done earlier in the war?

Also, who uses what for their AT stuff?

The Balken Imperial Armed Forces uses the PanzerFaust III.

However after realising that in today's culture that the name could spark hilarity within the ranks, high Command issued order codenamed "seriously guys its not that funny." In which orders that from now on that Panzerjager teams are to refer to the weapon as the PF3.

Cookies for however gets the joke.

the Panzerfaust III is heavy as fuckkkkk

[Nua Corda]

So everyone probably knows about the US Army issuing M3 Carl Gustav recoilless rifles being issued to infantry units. What I'm wondering is why wasn't that done earlier in the war?

US defense contractors are a greedy and fickle bunch?

Also, who uses what for their AT stuff?

The only thing I have down pat is an 86mm notCG.

Then you might be interested in the modernized version of Rollerpup, once I finish it (should be fairly soon).

I'm all ears and not in rush.

Imagine the lower receiver, pistol grip and handguard replaced with a monolithic polymer version, the same color as the new magazine, the stock and cheekguard combined and polymer, the ejection port fitted with a forward ejection device as seen on the Desert Tech MDR:



The muzzle break updated, the carry handle replaced with a flat-top Keymod platform, the sights swapped for flip-up BUIS, and the whole thing kitted out with keymod points on the top, sides and bottom of the handguard. There will also be an advanced optic, and an optional under-barrel Metal Storm launcher for smart grenades.

[Romic]

So instead of going with the double dimension take the second barrel off (keep the second lock)

Ill be doing a single weight after its finished.

This may be a prototype 1860's weapon that was used in small numbers if the soldier didnt like his issued firearm. Then it becomes his job to get bullets.

And Im not going to issue a bayonet for it I may just draw a saber or regular sword to have instead of the bayonet.

[Bezombia]

You almost sold me on 7x47 Beno before, and I see you're trying again.
But why only $160 per? IC I'd ask if it's due to construction materials.

It's actually a lot more to produce it, we're selling it at a loss on the hopes that once it gains recognition, demand will increase and we can safely raise the price.
Also 7x47mm Benomian best GPC ever made bar none

[Nua Corda]

So instead of going with the double dimension take the second barrel off (keep the second lock)

Ill be doing a single weight after its finished.

This may be a prototype 1860's weapon that was used in small numbers if the soldier didnt like his issued firearm. Then it becomes his job to get bullets.

And Im not going to issue a bayonet for it I may just draw a saber or regular sword to have instead of the bayonet.

Take both off, since the locks are parallel.

A prototype 1860's weapon that was used by soldiers who didn't like their issue firearms would look like this:



Full-on swords are for cavalry. Infantry would be using bayonets, since they convert a rifle into a spear or pike, which is much more effective for someone not exhaustively trained in the handling of a sword.

[Romic]

So an 1820's type rifle then?

I may have it as a militias weapon. Since it is a rifled weapons I could have it as a behind the lines type weapon. Or just not have it issued.

[Nua Corda]

So an 1820's type rifle then?

I may have it as a militias weapon. Since it is a rifled weapons I could have it as a behind the lines type weapon. Or just not have it issued.

Perhaps a popular civilian hunting rifle that may have been pressed into militia service during a time of extreme crisis when military arms were in short supply.

[Romic]

So an 1820's type rifle then?

I may have it as a militias weapon. Since it is a rifled weapons I could have it as a behind the lines type weapon. Or just not have it issued.

Perhaps a popular civilian hunting rifle that may have been pressed into militia service during a time of extreme crisis when military arms were in short supply.

Sounds like a plan. Ill work on a bit later though

[Imperializt Russia]

Hey blokes, I'm considering an Infantry Weapons Systems 2014 program and adopting a new rifle, also chambered in 7x43mm. Anyone have a rifle to promote?

I prefer checking here at IDT than the storefronts for now.

viewtopic.php?p=14114100#p14114100
I have others as well, but I'm afraid it's quite late and my laptop is running things it really doesn't need to.

[Oaledonia]

Fuck the RPG-32, top attack is the way to go.

[Spreewerke]

So, how many folks here issue muzzle devices that favor flash suppression over compensating properties (brakes)? Vice versa? Firearm-depending?


inb4Sieg

[Black Hand]

Fuck the RPG-32, top attack is the way to go.

The RPG-32 is for squad level disposable Anti-armor weapon. meant more as a self defense weapon so a squad isn't useless against armor.
the MBT LAW is for those units that don't have an attached Emplaced AT weapon mainly ariborne and special forces.
and finally the AT-16 scallion Rip/variant is issued on the platoon level making it redundant to need a heavier AT weapon in a squad.

So, how many folks here issue muzzle devices that favor flash suppression over compensating properties (brakes)? Vice versa? Firearm-depending?


inb4Sieg

Firearm dependant. rifles and carbines get integral AK-74 style brakes
while MG's, Marksman rifles, SMG's get Flash suppressors.

[Bezombia]

So, how many folks here issue muzzle devices that favor flash suppression over compensating properties (brakes)? Vice versa? Firearm-depending?


inb4Sieg

Well the Sieg is used on most firearms, some extremely short barreled rifles that produce ALL THE MUZZLE FLASH have been fitted with Vector-type flash hiders to suppress the flash of everything.

[Oaledonia]

Side note: Dragonrunner UGVs are adorable

[Fordorsia]

So, how many folks here issue muzzle devices that favor flash suppression over compensating properties (brakes)? Vice versa? Firearm-depending?


inb4Sieg

Muzzle brakes are only on the things that would otherwise injure the shooter.


ouch

[Black Hand]

So, how many folks here issue muzzle devices that favor flash suppression over compensating properties (brakes)? Vice versa? Firearm-depending?


inb4Sieg

Muzzle brakes are only on the things that would otherwise injure the shooter.


ouch

And I thought it was absurd when I used a breech loading 30X120 trench mortar and converted it to fire directly as a improvised AT Gun it was stupid/weird
but that rifle looks like a monster

[Fordorsia]

Muzzle brakes are only on the things that would otherwise injure the shooter.


ouch

And I thought it was absurd when I used a breech loading 30X120 trench mortar and converted it to fire directly as a improvised AT Gun it was stupid/weird
but that rifle looks like a monster

It kind of has to be a monster to take down NotCarnifexes.

[Black Hand]

And I thought it was absurd when I used a breech loading 30X120 trench mortar and converted it to fire directly as a improvised AT Gun it was stupid/weird
but that rifle looks like a monster

It kind of has to be a monster to take down NotCarnifexes.

What kind of carnifex are we talking about? the wasp, Crab or Weird cat thingy?
wait it's the 40K thing isn't it?