The NS Infantry Discussion Thread MkII*

[Fordorsia]

Maybe for Biopians...

Sorry 1207x55 is our SLMG

It's like a tree stump.

And my penis.

[Yes Im Biop]

Sorry 12.7x55 is our SLMG

fixed

Whoops XD

1207x55

Dear god

Yes my child?


Ford we didnt say a needle

[Dat cua Tien]

so was I

7.62X55L is a 7.62X55 case using a 7.62X25 Projectile
It has a reduced powder load obviously.

Then why bother?

[Black Hand]

7.62X55L is a 7.62X55 case using a 7.62X25 Projectile
It has a reduced powder load obviously.

Then why bother?

Its still a way higher powder load than 7.62x25

[Bezombia]

Then why bother?

Its still a way higher powder load than 7.62x25

But is it a higher powder load than 7.62x32mm Shipunov?

[Black Hand]

Its still a way higher powder load than 7.62x25

But is it a higher powder load than 7.62x32mm Shipunov?

Yes if I really wanted too I could just use the full load of powder

[Aqizithiuda]

The 7x44mm Norske for Prem.

Projectile
Cartridge
Internal Ballistics
External Ballistics

[Dat cua Tien]

Any reason why I shouldn't go and replace x39 AKs with x51 ones, or at least a derived one? I think it'd only be a ~2.5kg difference with a 210-220 standard load, vs the stamped AK mags I'd be using during the time period. I could make that even less if I went from wood to composite furniture too. Obviously that makes the fabled 45 pound infantry load a bit out of reach, but I think the weight would better be found elsewhere and can be left in the transport. I mean, it'd be a bit more difficult of a decision if I was coming from 5.56 or 5.45, but since 7.62x39 is already halfway between 5.56 and x51 in weight, I almost feel like I should just take the plunge and go all in.

Oh yeah, in before more Rhodie FAL and shorts.

[Tule]

Any reason why I shouldn't go and replace x39 AKs with x51 ones, or at least a derived one? I think it'd only be a ~2.5kg difference with a 210-220 standard load, vs the stamped AK mags I'd be using during the time period. I could make that even less if I went from wood to composite furniture too. Obviously that makes the fabled 45 pound infantry load a bit more difficult, but I think the weight would better be found elsewhere and can be left in the transport. I mean, it'd be a bit more difficult of a decision if I was coming from 5.56 or 5.45, but since 7.62x39 is halfway between 5.56 and x51 in weight, I almost feel like I should just take the plunge and go all in.

Oh yeah, in before more Rhodie FAL and shorts.

I would stick with x39.

The extra power isn't worth the extra weight and bulk IMO. Your trops probably won't be shooting beyond 300 meters, and when they will the bullet will still hit quite hard at extended ranges, more so than the 5.56.

[Premislyd]

Any reason why I shouldn't go and replace x39 AKs with x51 ones, or at least a derived one? I think it'd only be a ~2.5kg difference with a 210-220 standard load, vs the stamped AK mags I'd be using during the time period. I could make that even less if I went from wood to composite furniture too. Obviously that makes the fabled 45 pound infantry load a bit out of reach, but I think the weight would better be found elsewhere and can be left in the transport. I mean, it'd be a bit more difficult of a decision if I was coming from 5.56 or 5.45, but since 7.62x39 is already halfway between 5.56 and x51 in weight, I almost feel like I should just take the plunge and go all in.

Oh yeah, in before more Rhodie FAL and shorts.

Be better off using either the SVD or a purpose built 7.62 NATO platform, tbh.

[Nua Corda]

Any reason why I shouldn't go and replace x39 AKs with x51 ones, or at least a derived one? I think it'd only be a ~2.5kg difference with a 210-220 standard load, vs the stamped AK mags I'd be using during the time period. I could make that even less if I went from wood to composite furniture too. Obviously that makes the fabled 45 pound infantry load a bit out of reach, but I think the weight would better be found elsewhere and can be left in the transport. I mean, it'd be a bit more difficult of a decision if I was coming from 5.56 or 5.45, but since 7.62x39 is already halfway between 5.56 and x51 in weight, I almost feel like I should just take the plunge and go all in.

Oh yeah, in before more Rhodie FAL and shorts.

Replace with 6mm Unified ones.

[Spreewerke]

Any reason why I shouldn't go and replace x39 AKs with x51 ones, or at least a derived one? I think it'd only be a ~2.5kg difference with a 210-220 standard load, vs the stamped AK mags I'd be using during the time period. I could make that even less if I went from wood to composite furniture too. Obviously that makes the fabled 45 pound infantry load a bit out of reach, but I think the weight would better be found elsewhere and can be left in the transport. I mean, it'd be a bit more difficult of a decision if I was coming from 5.56 or 5.45, but since 7.62x39 is already halfway between 5.56 and x51 in weight, I almost feel like I should just take the plunge and go all in.

Oh yeah, in before more Rhodie FAL and shorts.

The Vepr in 7.62 NATO weighs under 9lbs. unloaded.

[Dat cua Tien]

@Tule
And the sad part? I know that too, but I still kind of am leaning towards this.



@Prem
I figured as much, which is why I added the or derived one part (purpose built)

@Nua
ewww

@Spree
Doesn't the Vepr also have an RPK receiver and a pretty thick barrel? The AK I'd be using at the time (similar to the original Type 56) is already darn close to 9 pounds.

How did 5.56 perform in thick jungle anyways? And how 5.45 would theoretically? Not terminally because I know that's fine, but with brush, logs, etc.

[The Torogian Collective]

What is the difference between Motorized and Mechanized infantry?

[Premislyd]

What is the difference between Motorized and Mechanized infantry?

"Traditionally" motorized were typically given trucks/APCs whilst mechanized got IFVs.

[Spreewerke]

@Spree
Doesn't the Vepr also have an RPK receiver and a pretty thick barrel? The AK I'd be using at the time (similar to the original Type 56) is already darn close to 9 pounds.

How did 5.56 perform in thick jungle anyways? And how 5.45 would theoretically? Not terminally because I know that's fine, but with brush, logs, etc.

The Type-56 is heavily RPK-based, anyway. Rivet pattern and barrel thickness would be the similar if not the same as the RPK. Unless you're building off of a milled receiver, I really don't see how you could make a notVepr that's heavier than a Vepr.

In a jungle, you'd probably want 7.62x39mm or at least a solid-core 5.45x39mm load. The 7N6 is unstable enough that I feel like much brush would greatly deteriorate its accuracy due to deflection.

[Oaledonia]

What is the difference between Motorized and Mechanized infantry?

Basic difference:
Motorized - uses trucks, HMMVs, MARPS and other light mobility vehicle
Mechanized - uses heavier IFVs or APCs for combat

[Tule]

@Tule
And the sad part? I know that too, but I still kind of am leaning towards this.

(Image)

If you are going for a bush war theme I'd like to remind you that the SANDF uses an AK variant these days.

[Spreewerke]

@Tule
And the sad part? I know that too, but I still kind of am leaning towards this.

(Image)

If you are going for a bush war theme I'd like to remind you that the SANDF uses an AK variant these days.

While you aren't wrong at all, I will point out that it is a clone of the Galil, primarily.

[Tule]

If you are going for a bush war theme I'd like to remind you that the SANDF uses an AK variant these days.

While you aren't wrong at all, I will point out that it is a clone of the Galil, primarily.

And the Galil is a clone of the Valmet... and the Valmet is a clone of the AKM.

[Nua Corda]

I think what we can all take away from this is that the Finish are the king of everything.

And also, rum and coke best drink ever.

[Dat cua Tien]

alright thanks y'all, now I'll go back to being undecided

@Tule "monsoonal rainforest" themed, with the east west being "tropical wet and dry"

[Premislyd]

The 7x44mm Norske for Prem.

Projectile
Cartridge
Internal Ballistics
External Ballistics

I still can't into boolits.

I will assume it's swagtastic though.

[Spreewerke]

While you aren't wrong at all, I will point out that it is a clone of the Galil, primarily.

And the Galil is a clone of the Valmet... and the Valmet is a clone of the AKM.

Sorta kinda. The first Valmets and the Galil (and the deal in your photo) all used milled receivers, so they were more based on the AK than on the AKM, at least as far as production itself goes. Internals are nearly identical, but the Valmet did introduce some interesting changes to the design, I will give it that. The magazine release being one of my favorite, if only for the fact it's a bit of a novelty. Only problem there is I can't remember if I was handling an Rk 62 clone or an M76 clone when I noticed it first. One of the owners of that gun store I worked for had one of basically every Valmet variant ever imported to the United States. Very cool collection.

[Oaledonia]

Finish are the king of everything.

Ur havin urself a giggle then, m8?

I hate Finish tech