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San-Silvacian
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9%
Purpelia
7
8%
Beno
10
11%
Puzikas
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22%
Kouralia
5
5%
The Archangel Conglomerate:
8
9%
Immoren
4
4%
Premislyd
10
11%
Anemos Major
15
16%
The Akasha Colony
4
4%
 
Total votes : 91

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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:28 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Zachganistan wrote:I posted that with expectation that I might be offended, but I would like some contructive criticism.

Let's go through the (however many steps there will be this time) unit building process.

Question 1, what is your nation's environment like?

Desert rural mostly, but that area is useless strategically. It's the middle-east from Israel and Lebanon to Yemen. My region uses RL maps. You have multiple urban spots with large spanses of rural.

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"What we have here is a new government, one which guarantees peace. No longer shall the Jews be forced away. No longer shall Palestinians be looked down upon. We, as humans and as an intelligent species, have the right to co-exist. Christians, Muslims, Jews- they are all welcome here."

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri May 30, 2014 9:30 pm

Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Let's go through the (however many steps there will be this time) unit building process.

Question 1, what is your nation's environment like?

The Balkans

Wait your turn.

Zachganistan wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Let's go through the (however many steps there will be this time) unit building process.

Question 1, what is your nation's environment like?

Desert rural mostly, but that area is useless strategically. It's the middle-east from Israel and Lebanon to Yemen. My region uses RL maps. You have multiple urban spots with large spanses of rural.

Regardless of their strategic value that rural expanse is guaranteed to be a lot more massive than the cities. You're going to need lots of transports.

Question 2, what is your primary threat?
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Fri May 30, 2014 9:31 pm

Tule wrote:
Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:I'm not expecting it to go up against MBTs(maybe a T55 every now and then XD) it's just to give my soldiers a lightweight personal package of firepower when needed

Also would the Kukri be a good standard issue combat knife?
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Sure, but it's not going to be a great utility knife.


Actually, that's the entire purpose of the kukri. It is literally a utility knife. It might be descended from a sword, and it might be used as a weapon some times, but the main use for it for several centuries has been a utility knife.
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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:32 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:The Balkans

Wait your turn.

Zachganistan wrote:Desert rural mostly, but that area is useless strategically. It's the middle-east from Israel and Lebanon to Yemen. My region uses RL maps. You have multiple urban spots with large spanses of rural.

Regardless of their strategic value that rural expanse is guaranteed to be a lot more massive than the cities. You're going to need lots of transports.

Question 2, what is your primary threat?

Ifr any, it's invasion from the West and North. Coincidentally, that's where my highly populated areas are.
"What we have here is a new government, one which guarantees peace. No longer shall the Jews be forced away. No longer shall Palestinians be looked down upon. We, as humans and as an intelligent species, have the right to co-exist. Christians, Muslims, Jews- they are all welcome here."

High King George Quasar, Founder of Zachganistan
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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:34 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Tule wrote:
Sure, but it's not going to be a great utility knife.


Actually, that's the entire purpose of the kukri. It is literally a utility knife. It might be descended from a sword, and it might be used as a weapon some times, but the main use for it for several centuries has been a utility knife.

How is something that big supposed to be a utlity knife?
"What we have here is a new government, one which guarantees peace. No longer shall the Jews be forced away. No longer shall Palestinians be looked down upon. We, as humans and as an intelligent species, have the right to co-exist. Christians, Muslims, Jews- they are all welcome here."

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri May 30, 2014 9:34 pm

Zachganistan wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Wait your turn.


Regardless of their strategic value that rural expanse is guaranteed to be a lot more massive than the cities. You're going to need lots of transports.

Question 2, what is your primary threat?

Ifr any, it's invasion from the West and North. Coincidentally, that's where my highly populated areas are.

Question 3, what are their capabilities relative to your own?

Zachganistan wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
Actually, that's the entire purpose of the kukri. It is literally a utility knife. It might be descended from a sword, and it might be used as a weapon some times, but the main use for it for several centuries has been a utility knife.

How is something that big supposed to be a utlity knife?

A big knife can do a small job. Small knives have a hard time doing bigger jobs.
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Postby Bulgaria-Serbia » Fri May 30, 2014 9:35 pm

Zachganistan wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
Actually, that's the entire purpose of the kukri. It is literally a utility knife. It might be descended from a sword, and it might be used as a weapon some times, but the main use for it for several centuries has been a utility knife.

How is something that big supposed to be a utlity knife?

Same way the machete is one
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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:38 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Zachganistan wrote:Ifr any, it's invasion from the West and North. Coincidentally, that's where my highly populated areas are.

Question 3, what are their capabilities relative to your own?

Zachganistan wrote:How is something that big supposed to be a utlity knife?

A big knife can do a small job. Small knives have a hard time doing bigger jobs.

Capabilities? As in what can they do? My most dangerous rival is Russian-based, heavy infantry and tanks, but they are bad in urban enviroments. My army is adaptive- that's how I designed it. Noy as good at holding rural ground, but it can give hell in urban enviroments. I specialize in mechanized infantry supported by heavy tanks.
"What we have here is a new government, one which guarantees peace. No longer shall the Jews be forced away. No longer shall Palestinians be looked down upon. We, as humans and as an intelligent species, have the right to co-exist. Christians, Muslims, Jews- they are all welcome here."

High King George Quasar, Founder of Zachganistan
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Postby Bulgaria-Serbia » Fri May 30, 2014 9:39 pm

My layout is this:
Light infantry(recon/airborne/spec ops) Infantry(marines/GIs/riflemen) Heavy Infantry(At teams, AA teams, MG teams, Sniper Teams, coms)
"Today we move forward unto dawn"

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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:40 pm

Zachganistan wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Question 3, what are their capabilities relative to your own?


A big knife can do a small job. Small knives have a hard time doing bigger jobs.

Capabilities? As in what can they do? My most dangerous rival is Russian-based, heavy infantry and tanks, but they are bad in urban enviroments. My army is adaptive- that's how I designed it. Noy as good at holding rural ground, but it can give hell in urban enviroments. I specialize in mechanized infantry supported by heavy tanks.


Zachganistan wrote:How is something that big supposed to be a utlity knife?

A big knife can do a small job. Small knives have a hard time doing bigger jobs.[/quote]

You haven't tried to open a can of pork n beans with a survival knife.
"What we have here is a new government, one which guarantees peace. No longer shall the Jews be forced away. No longer shall Palestinians be looked down upon. We, as humans and as an intelligent species, have the right to co-exist. Christians, Muslims, Jews- they are all welcome here."

High King George Quasar, Founder of Zachganistan
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Fri May 30, 2014 9:40 pm

Zachganistan wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
Actually, that's the entire purpose of the kukri. It is literally a utility knife. It might be descended from a sword, and it might be used as a weapon some times, but the main use for it for several centuries has been a utility knife.

How is something that big supposed to be a utlity knife?


It can cut small saplings and brush, it can kill animals, it can be used to shave wood, it can be used to cut up a carcass, it can be used to dig holes if need be, it can be used to pry things open, etc.
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Hellraiser-Army wrote:and clearly I am surrounded by idiots who never looked at a blueprint before...


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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:42 pm

Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:My layout is this:
Light infantry(recon/airborne/spec ops) Infantry(marines/GIs/riflemen) Heavy Infantry(At teams, AA teams, MG teams, Sniper Teams, coms)

What are the chances of invasion and from what direction?

Also, that's what machetes are for. That's a seperate tool. I;m talking about a knife a soldier could use to open his rations and stab a fool.
"What we have here is a new government, one which guarantees peace. No longer shall the Jews be forced away. No longer shall Palestinians be looked down upon. We, as humans and as an intelligent species, have the right to co-exist. Christians, Muslims, Jews- they are all welcome here."

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Postby Tule » Fri May 30, 2014 9:43 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Tule wrote:
Sure, but it's not going to be a great utility knife.


Actually, that's the entire purpose of the kukri. It is literally a utility knife. It might be descended from a sword, and it might be used as a weapon some times, but the main use for it for several centuries has been a utility knife.


I don't think a Kukri would be an awful utility knife, but I do doubt that a kukri would be ideal as a utility knife for military uses.

A combat knife should be straight with a sharp point for stabbing, have a serrated edge for sawing, a razor edge for cutting and a wire cutter.

If I'm crawling across no mans land I want something that can cut barbed wire, and If I get into a fight for my life I want a knife with a blade that isn't too wide and angled to go through a ribcage.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri May 30, 2014 9:44 pm

Zachganistan wrote:
You haven't tried to open a can of pork n beans with a survival knife.


Nope, because I pre plan and bring the proper tools for the job.

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Postby Bulgaria-Serbia » Fri May 30, 2014 9:44 pm

Zachganistan wrote:
Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:My layout is this:
Light infantry(recon/airborne/spec ops) Infantry(marines/GIs/riflemen) Heavy Infantry(At teams, AA teams, MG teams, Sniper Teams, coms)

What are the chances of invasion and from what direction?

Also, that's what machetes are for. That's a seperate tool. I;m talking about a knife a soldier could use to open his rations and stab a fool.

Mostly north from either western or north eastern europe, so mostly rural and hilly, some mountains and rivers
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri May 30, 2014 9:45 pm

Zachganistan wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Question 3, what are their capabilities relative to your own?


A big knife can do a small job. Small knives have a hard time doing bigger jobs.

Capabilities? As in what can they do? My most dangerous rival is Russian-based, heavy infantry and tanks, but they are bad in urban enviroments. My army is adaptive- that's how I designed it. Noy as good at holding rural ground, but it can give hell in urban enviroments. I specialize in mechanized infantry supported by heavy tanks.

Okay, so so far we know you have a desert nation with lots of rural expanse, and some major cities. Your primary threat is a russian backed nation to the north with heavy mechanization and armor. You plan to fight in the cities and you plan to also be heavily mechanized with heavy tanks for support.

Moving on; Question 4. What are your strategic goals in the event of an attack. Do you push back, or trade space for time and build mass?
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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:47 pm

Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:
Zachganistan wrote:What are the chances of invasion and from what direction?

Also, that's what machetes are for. That's a seperate tool. I;m talking about a knife a soldier could use to open his rations and stab a fool.

Mostly north from either western or north eastern europe, so mostly rural and hilly, some mountains and rivers

I'd focus on helo-supported infantry, artillery, and light infantry. Infantry for urban/suburban zones. Also, don't clump up snipers as heavy infantry- they are very light and mobile.
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Postby Bulgaria-Serbia » Fri May 30, 2014 9:48 pm

My goal is for my lower quality infantry to harass the enemy and buy my main force time to prepare for the big fights....and lure the enemy into my main force
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Fri May 30, 2014 9:48 pm

Tule wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
Actually, that's the entire purpose of the kukri. It is literally a utility knife. It might be descended from a sword, and it might be used as a weapon some times, but the main use for it for several centuries has been a utility knife.


I don't think a Kukri would be an awful utility knife, but I do doubt that a kukri would be ideal as a utility knife for military uses.

A combat knife should be straight with a sharp point for stabbing, have a serrated edge for sawing, a razor edge for cutting and a wire cutter.


I agree up to a point. The kukri is a fine combat knife, but only because those who actually use it first use it as a tool and are familiar with the knife in ways that most soldiers will never be.
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Puzikas wrote:Im not cheep-You can quote me on that.


Hellraiser-Army wrote:and clearly I am surrounded by idiots who never looked at a blueprint before...


Live fire is not an effective means of communication.

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri May 30, 2014 9:49 pm

Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:My goal is for my lower quality infantry to harass the enemy and buy my main force time to prepare for the big fights....and lure the enemy into my main force

It's not your turn yet.
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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:49 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Zachganistan wrote:Capabilities? As in what can they do? My most dangerous rival is Russian-based, heavy infantry and tanks, but they are bad in urban enviroments. My army is adaptive- that's how I designed it. Noy as good at holding rural ground, but it can give hell in urban enviroments. I specialize in mechanized infantry supported by heavy tanks.

Okay, so so far we know you have a desert nation with lots of rural expanse, and some major cities. Your primary threat is a russian backed nation to the north with heavy mechanization and armor. You plan to fight in the cities and you plan to also be heavily mechanized with heavy tanks for support.

Moving on; Question 4. What are your strategic goals in the event of an attack. Do you push back, or trade space for time and build mass?

Tade space for time, within reason. It's just long enough for my support to be within useful range, and then CQB and infantry take back the land with the heavies setting up hardpoints for bases and such.
"What we have here is a new government, one which guarantees peace. No longer shall the Jews be forced away. No longer shall Palestinians be looked down upon. We, as humans and as an intelligent species, have the right to co-exist. Christians, Muslims, Jews- they are all welcome here."

High King George Quasar, Founder of Zachganistan
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DEFCON1-2-[3]-4-5

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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:51 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:My goal is for my lower quality infantry to harass the enemy and buy my main force time to prepare for the big fights....and lure the enemy into my main force

It's not your turn yet.

I'm trying to help him. Luring the enemy hasn't worked since Vietnam. Radar and intelligence is just to proficient for armies to hide from. Unless you somehow make a plot of land look pleasing to an invading force that sees most of your moves.
"What we have here is a new government, one which guarantees peace. No longer shall the Jews be forced away. No longer shall Palestinians be looked down upon. We, as humans and as an intelligent species, have the right to co-exist. Christians, Muslims, Jews- they are all welcome here."

High King George Quasar, Founder of Zachganistan
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DEFCON1-2-[3]-4-5

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri May 30, 2014 9:53 pm

Zachganistan wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:It's not your turn yet.

I'm trying to help him. Luring the enemy hasn't worked since Vietnam. Radar and intelligence is just to proficient for armies to hide from. Unless you somehow make a plot of land look pleasing to an invading force that sees most of your moves.


LoL.. I'm sorry, but what?

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Postby Bulgaria-Serbia » Fri May 30, 2014 9:53 pm

Zachganistan wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:It's not your turn yet.

I'm trying to help him. Luring the enemy hasn't worked since Vietnam. Radar and intelligence is just to proficient for armies to hide from. Unless you somehow make a plot of land look pleasing to an invading force that sees most of your moves.

...I happen to have small oil fields near my border, and a sizeable uranium field I'm willing to sacrifice
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri May 30, 2014 9:54 pm

Zachganistan wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Okay, so so far we know you have a desert nation with lots of rural expanse, and some major cities. Your primary threat is a russian backed nation to the north with heavy mechanization and armor. You plan to fight in the cities and you plan to also be heavily mechanized with heavy tanks for support.

Moving on; Question 4. What are your strategic goals in the event of an attack. Do you push back, or trade space for time and build mass?

Tade space for time, within reason. It's just long enough for my support to be within useful range, and then CQB and infantry take back the land with the heavies setting up hardpoints for bases and such.

What support elements do you have at your disposal, and more importantly, how do you expect them to function/to what effect?
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