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San-Silvacian
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Purpelia
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Beno
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Puzikas
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Kouralia
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The Archangel Conglomerate:
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Immoren
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Premislyd
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri May 30, 2014 9:01 pm

Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:You do have to consider that the tribe the Kukri originated from, who had no guns, we're able to impress the British army with the weapon and their combat skills in fighting against the british

That point amounts to literally nothing.

Black Hand wrote:@nirvash, sawblade serrations aren't good for that, with rope cutting the more scalloped the serrations the better sawtooth is bad while somewhat wide Scalloped serrations are excellent.

What kind of serrations are you talking about?
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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:03 pm

Would a knife such as this
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work for urban combat and the like?
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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:04 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:You do have to consider that the tribe the Kukri originated from, who had no guns, we're able to impress the British army with the weapon and their combat skills in fighting against the british

That point amounts to literally nothing.

Black Hand wrote:@nirvash, sawblade serrations aren't good for that, with rope cutting the more scalloped the serrations the better sawtooth is bad while somewhat wide Scalloped serrations are excellent.

What kind of serrations are you talking about?

He's saying that actual sawblades suck for cutting rope, and he's right. Scalloped serrations are better for cutting rope because of the increased surface area and smoother pull-push motion.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Fri May 30, 2014 9:06 pm

This knife talk reminds me when some Zeinbradian officers where given a two-handed sword.

And even though it was ceremonial some used it as a last-ditch weapon.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri May 30, 2014 9:07 pm

Zachganistan wrote:
Black Hand wrote:@nirvash, sawblade serrations aren't good for that, with rope cutting the more scalloped the serrations the better sawtooth is bad while somewhat wide Scalloped serrations are excellent.

What kind of serrations are you talking about?

He's saying that actual sawblades suck for cutting rope, and he's right. Scalloped serrations are better for cutting rope because of the increased surface area and smoother pull-push motion.[/quote]
Yep.
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Postby Tule » Fri May 30, 2014 9:07 pm

Zachganistan wrote:
Black Hand wrote:non serrated blades make terrible saws. and sawblade serrations only muck up a perfectly good knife if used on the main blade.

Makes sense for survival knives. Wouldn't it hinder the speed of which a soldier could pull the knife out of a body, though? That kind of close combat requires quick responses.


Depends on the serrations.

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The OKC-3S bayonet used by the USMC has a less "sticky" serration design for instance.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri May 30, 2014 9:08 pm

Zachganistan wrote:Would a knife such as this work for urban combat and the like?

Yes. Makes me want to throw up though.

Zeinbrad wrote:This knife talk reminds me when some Zeinbradian officers where given a two-handed sword.

And even though it was ceremonial some used it as a last-ditch weapon.

Please stop.
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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:08 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:This knife talk reminds me when some Zeinbradian officers where given a two-handed sword.

And even though it was ceremonial some used it as a last-ditch weapon.

Kind of like Imperial Japan's officers. Those were wicked when they used the swords in combat. Have you seem Windtalkers?
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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:09 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Zachganistan wrote:Would a knife such as this work for urban combat and the like?

Yes. Makes me want to throw up though.

Zeinbrad wrote:This knife talk reminds me when some Zeinbradian officers where given a two-handed sword.

And even though it was ceremonial some used it as a last-ditch weapon.

Please stop.

The Marine Force Recon hing is really tacky, but tanto knives are pretty good in combat. Also good at hacking through rope and bindings.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Fri May 30, 2014 9:10 pm

Zachganistan wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:This knife talk reminds me when some Zeinbradian officers where given a two-handed sword.

And even though it was ceremonial some used it as a last-ditch weapon.

Kind of like Imperial Japan's officers. Those were wicked when they used the swords in combat. Have you seem Windtalkers?

Nope, I was just six and naive.

Stopping right here.
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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:14 pm

To move the conversation from knives, I would like to discuss the practicality of having a CQB section for infantry. I have my infantry seperated into four different classes: Anti-material (.50 cal guns), heavy infantry (battle rifles), infantry (assault rifles), and CQB (Carbines and shotguns). Is this a decent set up?
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Postby Bulgaria-Serbia » Fri May 30, 2014 9:14 pm

Any hoo, would I be good using the mk2 as my standard grenade?
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri May 30, 2014 9:15 pm

Zachganistan wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:This knife talk reminds me when some Zeinbradian officers where given a two-handed sword.

And even though it was ceremonial some used it as a last-ditch weapon.

Kind of like Imperial Japan's officers. Those were wicked when they used the swords in combat. Have you seem Windtalkers?


So wicked, that they made excellent souvenirs for GI's passing through.

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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:16 pm

Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:Any hoo, would I be good using the mk2 as my standard grenade?

M 67 is better, due C4 as the explosive.
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Postby Bulgaria-Serbia » Fri May 30, 2014 9:17 pm

Zachganistan wrote:
Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:Any hoo, would I be good using the mk2 as my standard grenade?

M 67 is better, due C4 as the explosive.

But mk2 is cheaper
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri May 30, 2014 9:18 pm

Zachganistan wrote:To move the conversation from knives, I would like to discuss the practicality of having a CQB section for infantry. I have my infantry seperated into four different classes: Anti-material (.50 cal guns), heavy infantry (battle rifles), infantry (assault rifles), and CQB (Carbines and shotguns). Is this a decent set up?

Sure, if you live in a first person shooter.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri May 30, 2014 9:19 pm

Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:
Zachganistan wrote:M 67 is better, due C4 as the explosive.

But mk2 is cheaper


Both will kill you equally the same.

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Zachganistan wrote:To move the conversation from knives, I would like to discuss the practicality of having a CQB section for infantry. I have my infantry seperated into four different classes: Anti-material (.50 cal guns), heavy infantry (battle rifles), infantry (assault rifles), and CQB (Carbines and shotguns). Is this a decent set up?

Sure, if you live in a first person shooter.


^ This.

How did I miss that one...
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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:20 pm

Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:
Zachganistan wrote:M 67 is better, due C4 as the explosive.

But mk2 is cheaper

True, but it's cheaper in quality as well. It's heavier, the fuse doesn't always work, the fuse is loud, and it's freaking old. If you are that strapped for cash, only have a grenadier hold explosives.
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Postby Bulgaria-Serbia » Fri May 30, 2014 9:21 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Zachganistan wrote:To move the conversation from knives, I would like to discuss the practicality of having a CQB section for infantry. I have my infantry seperated into four different classes: Anti-material (.50 cal guns), heavy infantry (battle rifles), infantry (assault rifles), and CQB (Carbines and shotguns). Is this a decent set up?

Sure, if you live in a first person shooter.

My set up is recon in front, riflemen and MGs in Middle and Support and reserves in back
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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:21 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Zachganistan wrote:To move the conversation from knives, I would like to discuss the practicality of having a CQB section for infantry. I have my infantry seperated into four different classes: Anti-material (.50 cal guns), heavy infantry (battle rifles), infantry (assault rifles), and CQB (Carbines and shotguns). Is this a decent set up?

Sure, if you live in a first person shooter.

Sarcasm aside, what's wrong with the set up?
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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:23 pm

Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Sure, if you live in a first person shooter.

My set up is recon in front, riflemen and MGs in Middle and Support and reserves in back

My soldiers are seperated by platoon, but they work together in the field. AM troops work with Heavies to take over an enemy position, and the normal infantry cover them and support. CQB takes on apartments and house-by house clearing.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri May 30, 2014 9:23 pm

Zachganistan wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Sure, if you live in a first person shooter.

Sarcasm aside, what's wrong with the set up?


No offense, but literally everything.

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Postby Zachganistan » Fri May 30, 2014 9:24 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Zachganistan wrote:Sarcasm aside, what's wrong with the set up?


No offense, but literally everything.

I posted that with expectation that I might be offended, but I would like some contructive criticism.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri May 30, 2014 9:26 pm

Zachganistan wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
No offense, but literally everything.

I posted that with expectation that I might be offended, but I would like some contructive criticism.

Let's go through the (however many steps there will be this time) unit building process.

Question 1, what is your nation's environment like?
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Postby Bulgaria-Serbia » Fri May 30, 2014 9:27 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Zachganistan wrote:I posted that with expectation that I might be offended, but I would like some contructive criticism.

Let's go through the (however many steps there will be this time) unit building process.

Question 1, what is your nation's environment like?

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