The NS Infantry Discussion Thread MkII*

[Crookfur]

PASGT is better, more modern, has a alrger user base and more importantly actually in production.

So unless you are actually buying the vests in the 1970s or are buying soemone's horded surplus (which would be odd as surplus PASGT would be easier to get hold of) you won;t be getting any useful number of M69 vests

I mean the M1955 flak vest

same issues apply.

PASGT or a PASGT knock off is going to be cheaper and far easier to get hold of.

[Gvozdevsk]

same issues apply.

PASGT or a PASGT knock off is going to be cheaper and far easier to get hold of.

6B3 might be even cheaper.

[Aqizithiuda]

I mean the M1955 flak vest

same issues apply.

PASGT or a PASGT knock off is going to be cheaper and far easier to get hold of.

Not to mention that they'd offer better protection. Ballistic nylon is far inferior to kevlar.

[Buburban Riftkarthopolis]

After seeing the number of bullpup rifles on this thread, I have to ask: What advantages do conventionally-oriented rifles have over the bullpup system?

[Bulgaria-Serbia]

After seeing the number of bullpup rifles on this thread, I have to ask: What advantages do conventionally-oriented rifles have over the bullpup system?

A little easier to use, also cheaper to make

[Kouralia]

After seeing the number of bullpup rifles on this thread, I have to ask: What advantages do conventionally-oriented rifles have over the bullpup system?

Better in bayonet combat

More likely to offer user-variable LoP

Some argue it is a more ergonomic design

Looks classier when on parade w/ wooden furniture (only good wooden bullpup is EM-2)

Can be an M4 while a bullpup can't rly

[Bezombia]

After seeing the number of bullpup rifles on this thread, I have to ask: What advantages do conventionally-oriented rifles have over the bullpup system?

-Potentially longer cartridges due to potentially infinitely long magwell (realistically, however, you can bullpup any cartridge you want)
-Potentially longer action (realistically, there are ways to get around this for bullpups)
-Folding stock capability (mostly negated because a bullpup will still be shorter)

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

After seeing the number of bullpup rifles on this thread, I have to ask: What advantages do conventionally-oriented rifles have over the bullpup system?

A little easier to use, also cheaper to make

Neither of which is necessarily true.

[Premislyd]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/169 ... 0squad.png
(APC - San-Silvacian (basically superAMX-10), MG42/3 - San-Silvacian, MBT-LAW - Kat T. Sun [Galla-, Gallia-])

Standard Estovnian Dragoon Squad.

Platoon set up includes 3 squads of 10, 4 man HQ (including platoon medic) section, and a 8.1 cm mortar section of 3 transported by 4 APCs

[Tule]

that largely depends on how your military woudl define cheap and more importantly how they would define effective

Cheapest is proabably a chinese knock off of the PASGT vest/helmet set, it won't stop rifle threats but it'll do the job against most types of frag.

I mean as in the biggest protection for my buck, I'm looking to armor 250,000 troops out of a population of 5 million

Even in a total war, you will not have 250,000 fighting troops, so you will not need to armor 250,000 troops.

Infantry only makes up about 10% of the total number of active troops in the US Army and the US Marine Corps.

If you want cheap armor, a metal helmet give you the best bang for the buck and weight.

Fun fact:
When the British Army introduced the Brodie helmet in WW1, it was initially shocked to discover that the rate of recorder head injuries increased fivefold.
This was not because the helmets were making things worse, but because more soldiers were now surviving their head injuries.

[Spreewerke]

After seeing the number of bullpup rifles on this thread, I have to ask: What advantages do conventionally-oriented rifles have over the bullpup system?

Conventional rifles can be used with bayonets a bit easier, clearing a malfunction on them is a tiny bit easier, they generally don't look that horrific (compared to almost all bullpups, as the vast majority look like herpaderp), they are longer and heavier for a true ManlyMen(TM) military, and their triggers aren't comparable to dragging a 10lbs. bag of rocks across a glue trap with a single finger.

I also want to say that you can get the sights of a conventional rifle closer to the bore.

[North Daecon]

Does having 2 weapons as a primary firearm in my military bad or good?

One of them is 5.56x45 NATO, and the other one is 7.62x51 NATO.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Does having 2 weapons as a primary firearm in my military bad or good?

One of them is 5.56x45 NATO, and the other one is 7.62x51 NATO.

So long as it's primarily one or the other there's really no problem. If it's nearly a 50/50 split it starts forcing you to rework everything about your infantry.

[Sediczja]

I also want to say that you can get the sights of a conventional rifle closer to the bore.

I believe that's if you don't have an in-line stock.

Also fiddled with my infantry combat load a little:

In hand:
Rifle with 1x 20rd mag loaded

Around neck:
1x syrette, morphine
ID tags

Uniform pockets:
1x field dressing
Notepad and stationery
Emergency rations (1x 4oz chocolate bar, pack of 4x high-energy oat biscuits)
Small compass with lanyard

Belt kit:
5x 20rd mags
1x RGU m51 hand grenade
1x bayonet

1x 1qt canteen
6x water purification (chlorine) tablets

Entrenching tool

1x mess tin-cup combo
1x folding aluminium solid fuel stove
1x 12pcs pack hexamine solid fuel tablets
1x utensil set

Weapon cleaning kit (Pull through, barrel brush, flannelette, chamber brush, soft brush, combination tool)

Rucksack:
1x spare field uniform (shirt, trousers)
1x tarpaulin/poncho/shelter half
4x shelter poles
10m of string
1x sleeping mat
1x sleeping bag
2x Individual Combat Ration 24h
1x boot cleaning kit (Polish, brushes)
6x 20rd 7.3mm ammunition boxes (containing 2x clips of 10rds each)
Spare socks/underwear
Wash kit and toiletries

You may notice that my soldiers actually get issued compasses now >.>

[Buburban Riftkarthopolis]

Speaking of bullpups, I went ahead and spent the past two hours or so making this. I used my not-bullpup rifle as a base, so I'll put that in here for comparison.

[Bezombia]

Speaking of bullpups, I went ahead and spent the past two hours or so making this. I used my not-bullpup rifle as a base, so I'll put that in here for comparison.

(Image)

(Image)

That bullpup looks like it doesn't have enough room for the bolt to recoil.

[San-Silvacian]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/169463542/Estovnia/Estovnian%20squad.png
(APC - San-Silvacian (basically superAMX-10), MG42/3 - San-Silvacian, MBT-LAW - Kat T. Sun [Galla-, Gallia-])

Standard Estovnian Dragoon Squad.

Platoon set up includes 3 squads of 10, 4 man HQ (including platoon medic) section, and a 8.1 cm mortar section of 3 transported by 4 APCs

dat isn't super amx-10p



dis super amx-10p

[Arthurista]

Imagine if I'm to general issue a new mag-fed grenade-launcher (i.e. not just to select commando units) - is the XM-25 too expensive? Would a not-PAW-20 be a better choice?

[Zeinbrad]

So for the Wolfe couriers, who have too being letters and such to commanders and such, with a motorcycle, sometimes horse or bicycle how much should their kit weigh at maximum?

[Oaledonia]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/169463542/Estovnia/Estovnian%20squad.png
(APC - San-Silvacian (basically superAMX-10), MG42/3 - San-Silvacian, MBT-LAW - Kat T. Sun [Galla-, Gallia-])

Standard Estovnian Dragoon Squad.

Platoon set up includes 3 squads of 10, 4 man HQ (including platoon medic) section, and a 8.1 cm mortar section of 3 transported by 4 APCs

dat isn't super amx-10p



dis super amx-10p

Not Gavin.

[Bezombia]

Imagine if I'm to general issue a new mag-fed grenade-launcher (i.e. not just to select commando units) - is the XM-25 too expensive? Would a not-PAW-20 be a better choice?

*it's the M25 now, has been for a few months

Semiautomatic grenade launchers are very special weapons, and they fit nicely into a specific doctrine. They're useful, but not so useful that you'd want to be issuing them at anything lower than a platoon.
The M25 would be fine for that role, although it'd be more interesting to go with a modified launcher derived from that used in the K11.

[Premislyd]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/169463542/Estovnia/Estovnian%20squad.png
(APC - San-Silvacian (basically superAMX-10), MG42/3 - San-Silvacian, MBT-LAW - Kat T. Sun [Galla-, Gallia-])

Standard Estovnian Dragoon Squad.

Platoon set up includes 3 squads of 10, 4 man HQ (including platoon medic) section, and a 8.1 cm mortar section of 3 transported by 4 APCs

dat isn't super amx-10p



dis super amx-10p

What is that

super gavin then?????

[Anomalous Research and Containment-]

dat isn't super amx-10p



dis super amx-10p

Not Gavin.

muh aluminium

o wait

[Bulgaria-Serbia]

Would the M72 LAW be a decent cheap standard issue AT weapon for every soldier

[Anomalous Research and Containment-]

Yes