The NS Infantry Discussion Thread MkII*

[The balkens]

If I have a platoon of three squads + command section, each with their own BMP-3. Do I really need a weapons section on the side? Or can I dispense with them altogether and use the 4 IFV's to do their job?

For mechanized? That actually sounds like a good idea.

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[Imperializt Russia]

Apparently, that's what it's occasionally used for.
The cursory Google brought up articles by The Sun and The Mail (crap papers obviously, but they seem to be the only people who talk about mundane military equipment to fill page space for some reason) in which they claimed the mines were also being used as general demolition charges.

Not entirely sure if there's a big stockpile approaching its use-by date or they're just handy and not being used for much else.

Like TBN said, making holes in walls are different to breaching a door.

That would definitely explain using such a seemingly oversized explosive for the purpose.

So yeah, is there any reason why bar mines don't seem to be widely used?

[Kouralia]

Or when the Russians got their arses kicked by the Mujahedeen.

Or When the Americans Had their arses kicked by the Viet-Cong

The Americans were militarily winning in Vietnam, and only lost due to the home front losing heart w/ the war.

Q-Q Malasyian Emergency > Vietnam

If I have a platoon of three squads + command section, each with their own BMP-3. Do I really need a weapons section on the side? Or can I dispense with them altogether and use the 4 IFV's to do their job?

BMP's basically form weapons section.

IFV weapons section occupying houses, gogogo.

Oh, and according to my mum, as a Finn you're 'cute', Imm. She was reading my history notes for my exam on Monday and noticed the line reading 'Finland = only country to not renege on war debts' and immediately went, 'awww... that's so cute.' I burst out laughing and replied, 'they're a country of five-odd million people, not a bunny rabbit' and her response was 'yeah, but it's so... Finnish people are cute looking.'

Like TBN said, making holes in walls are different to breaching a door.

That would definitely explain using such a seemingly oversized explosive for the purpose.

So yeah, is there any reason why bar mines don't seem to be widely used?

*Insta-add bar mines to Kouralian inventory*

[Immoren]

IFV weapons section occupying houses, gogogo.

Obviosly

Oh, and according to my mum, as a Finn you're 'cute', Imm. She was reading my history notes for my exam on Monday and noticed the line reading 'Finland = only country to not renege on war debts' and immediately went, 'awww... that's so cute.' I burst out laughing and replied, 'they're a country of five-odd million people, not a bunny rabbit' and her response was 'yeah, but it's so... Finnish people are cute looking.'

[Bratislavskaya]

Or when the Russians got their arses kicked by the Mujahedeen.

Or When the Americans Had their arses kicked by the Viet-Cong

Americans did well in conventional combat, however they didn't win the irregular warfare. But I will agree that Americans created the Afghan problem and now they are struggling to sort it out. Anyway back to guns.

Any of you people think it's a good idea to have a list of government approved side arms for soldiers to buy and use (as most soldiers aren't issued them)? So the military will supply ammo, and in some cases mags but not the gun. Or they could buy surplus pistols directly from the military.

[Greater Eurasian Union]

Or When the Americans Had their arses kicked by the Viet-Cong

The Americans were militarily winning in Vietnam, and only lost due to the home front losing heart w/ the war.

Q-Q Malasyian Emergency > Vietnam


In that reference the Soviets did not invade or wage war in afghanistan - they were only supporting the PDPA government after it had overthrown the imperialist afghan regime in 1978 , and forwarded in order to " protect " the interests of the revolution from foreign intervention -

Following the Herat uprising, President Taraki contacted Alexei Kosygin, chairman of the USSR Council of Ministers, and asked for "practical and technical assistance with men and armament-

The New afghan government formally pressed for military intervention - the soviets were invited - and their aim was more to strengthen the government rather than the opposite - in response to which the mujahedeen were employed and created.

Thus it would have barely been called a war and a vast majority of the regiments emplaced here were from the central asian battalions of the soviet military - which were significantly less effective -

[Premislyd]

Has it been a week already?

[Oaledonia]

Or when the Russians got their arses kicked by the Mujahedeen.

Or When the Americans Had their arses kicked by the Viet-Cong

Bullshit.
The US was destroying the Viet-Cong. The NVA did all of the work, and the US was still beating them. The reason the US lost was because the population didn't support it anymore.

If I have a platoon of three squads + command section, each with their own BMP-3. Do I really need a weapons section on the side? Or can I dispense with them altogether and use the 4 IFV's to do their job?

BMP-3 is garbage, even the Russian military is skeptical about it. There is no reason an IFV should have a weapon like that if it puts the crew at risk. In other words, why are you using it?

[Imperializt Russia]

Or When the Americans Had their arses kicked by the Viet-Cong

Bullshit.
The US was destroying the Viet-Cong. The NVA did all of the work, and the US was still beating them. The reason the US lost was because the population didn't support it anymore.

If I have a platoon of three squads + command section, each with their own BMP-3. Do I really need a weapons section on the side? Or can I dispense with them altogether and use the 4 IFV's to do their job?

BMP-3 is garbage, even the Russian military is skeptical about it. There is no reason an IFV should have a weapon like that if it puts the crew at risk.

The weapon system is not at all what is putting the crew at "risk".
It's the layout itself, which actually results from the conversion from a light tank project.

[Oaledonia]

Bullshit.
The US was destroying the Viet-Cong. The NVA did all of the work, and the US was still beating them. The reason the US lost was because the population didn't support it anymore.


BMP-3 is garbage, even the Russian military is skeptical about it. There is no reason an IFV should have a weapon like that if it puts the crew at risk.

The weapon system is not at all what is putting the crew at "risk".
It's the layout itself, which actually results from the conversion from a light tank project.

In order to mount the gun they had to make the dangerous layout, correct? That is what I'm speaking about.

[Greater Eurasian Union]

Bullshit.
The US was destroying the Viet-Cong. The NVA did all of the work, and the US was still beating them. The reason the US lost was because the population didn't support it anymore.


BMP-3 is garbage, even the Russian military is skeptical about it. There is no reason an IFV should have a weapon like that if it puts the crew at risk.

The weapon system is not at all what is putting the crew at "risk".
It's the layout itself, which actually results from the conversion from a light tank project.

The BMPT-72 perhaps ?

[Imperializt Russia]

The weapon system is not at all what is putting the crew at "risk".
It's the layout itself, which actually results from the conversion from a light tank project.

In order to mount the gun they had to make the dangerous layout, correct? That is what I'm speaking about.

No, they designed a light tank and then decided they wanted a new IFV.
They had a chassis lying about and modified it accordingly.

The BMP-1, the same vehicle in concept, did not feature a similar layout.

[Oaledonia]

In order to mount the gun they had to make the dangerous layout, correct? That is what I'm speaking about.

No, they designed a light tank and then decided they wanted a new IFV.
They had a chassis lying about and modified it accordingly.

The BMP-1, the same vehicle in concept, did not feature a similar layout.

I just hate the layout, it's impractical as hell. Just modify a BMP-2 :c

The weapon system is not at all what is putting the crew at "risk".
It's the layout itself, which actually results from the conversion from a light tank project.

The BMPT-72 perhaps ?

Not even the same role.

[Purpelia]

There is nothing about the gun mount that inherently requires a rear mounted engine. This said, I do not see how the crew could possibly be LESS protected with a slab of armor in front of them than they would with the engine in that place! And there is nothing impractical about the layout unless you want to use your IFV as a bloody M113 and carry field guns inside.

[Premislyd]

BMP-2M is the best IFV

Sorry NATO

[Zeinbrad]

So, two questions I will try to not overstay my welcome.

One-What should a Combat Medic kit (EMT-B) compose of?

Two-What should be in a pilots survival gear if they are ever shot down?

[Organized States]

Two-What should be in a pilots survival gear if they are ever shot down?

Pistol, flashlight, radio, water, life vest, life raft, Shark repellent, etc.
For more detail, I would suggest this article:
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsh ... sp?id=1400

[Oaledonia]

BMP-2M is the best IFV

Sorry NATO

I use a modified Puma/GCV crossover.

[Aqizithiuda]

No, they designed a light tank and then decided they wanted a new IFV.
They had a chassis lying about and modified it accordingly.

The BMP-1, the same vehicle in concept, did not feature a similar layout.

I just hate the layout, it's impractical as hell. Just modify a BMP-2 :c

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The BMPT-72 perhaps ?

Not even the same role.

Use the Saudi mod of the Patria APC. Problem solved.

This, for the record, is essentially what Triggthiuda, my MT nation, uses.

[The balkens]

BMP-2M is the best IFV

Sorry NATO

I use a modified Puma/GCV crossover.

I still use the Marder.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

I think I need to redraw my rails.

[Novorden]

Two-What should be in a pilots survival gear if they are ever shot down?

This was more of a tankers/helicopter crew grab bag that I did a while back

Some of the items are place holders

Current grab bag:
PDW with 5 mags (23 5.7x28mm rounds in each)
Multi-tool
Map of operational area with compass
Small first aid kit
Water purification tablets
High energy ration kit
Personal radio
Pen/pencil/paper
2x2m Foil blanket (reflective foil on one inside, camo on the other)
3x2m Poncho (camo)
Torch
Fire stater
Cable ties
Knife (14cm blade)
wallet with local currency (aka the world language)
Purifying collapsible water pouch with inbuilt filter

[Zeinbrad]

Two-What should be in a pilots survival gear if they are ever shot down?

*snip*

Thank you and organized states.

Now back to developing the Wolfe military. Who I am debating on whether or not they should use futuristic STG44's.

Anyways, thank you all.

[Imperializt Russia]

There's a big difference, conceptually, between "futuristic StG44s" and "weapons derived from the StG44".
Personally, I'd advise the latter for a variety of reasons. The StG-44's various design aspects (and those of projects culminating in the MP43/StG-44) have influenced a large number of subsequent small arms, producing often interesting results.

[Fordorsia]

*snip*

Thank you and organized states.

Now back to developing the Wolfe military. Who I am debating on whether or not they should use futuristic STG44's.

Anyways, thank you all.

StG 44 and two Lugers.