The NS Infantry Discussion Thread MkII*

[Medwedian Democratic Federation]

Medwedian Infantry is like this but with slightly more modern weapons.

[Triplebaconation]

That is not really a reason... Could you be more detailed?

The fact that firearms have advanced isn't really a reason?

Premislyd is correct. Because it was designed in the 1880s, the lever is a magazine cut-off. It can be used to release the magazine, but it takes some fiddling. It also needs a complicated bracket on the magazine and cam on the lever - both would wear out quickly with truly detachable magazines.

[Imperializt Russia]

So, looking through the article that Brit linked on wiki about British troop's equipment, and I spotted the L9-class bar mine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L9_Bar_Mine

Apparently, it's resistant to mine plows and can be used as a door breaching charge (and also a lot more efficient, as far fewer mines can be used to cover a minefield)
I'm intrigued. I assume that because of this it's a blast mine, rather than deploying some kind of HEAT or EFP payload. A cursory Google seems to state that bar-type mines fell out of favour since the Second World War and that the L9 may be one of the few designs still in service.

Thoughts? Seems like a handy thing to try and introduce as a general purpose weapon.

[Triplebaconation]

Because if you try to put anything other than 30-round M16 magazines into those pouches, they burst into flames and explode.

32rd. Uzi magazines are one inch taller than M16 magazines. You could use lower-capacity Uzi magazines, sure, or you could just use the proper magazine pouch and use a full load of 32rd. magazines. Nothing wrong with the former, of course, and I know this is just a drawing, but it's usually a pretty good idea to use gear that goes to your firearm, otherwise everyone in the United States military would just have M82A1 magazine pouches because every other type of magazine will fit in there, too.

Luxembourg is too pro for goofy 32-round magazines.

So, looking through the article that Brit linked on wiki about British troop's equipment, and I spotted the L9-class bar mine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L9_Bar_Mine

Apparently, it's resistant to mine plows and can be used as a door breaching charge (and also a lot more efficient, as far fewer mines can be used to cover a minefield)
I'm intrigued. I assume that because of this it's a blast mine, rather than deploying some kind of HEAT or EFP payload. A cursory Google seems to state that bar-type mines fell out of favour since the Second World War and that the L9 may be one of the few designs still in service.

Thoughts? Seems like a handy thing to try and introduce as a general purpose weapon.

20 pounds of RDX is a little much for "general purpose." Or doors.

[Aqizithiuda]

So, looking through the article that Brit linked on wiki about British troop's equipment, and I spotted the L9-class bar mine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L9_Bar_Mine

Apparently, it's resistant to mine plows and can be used as a door breaching charge (and also a lot more efficient, as far fewer mines can be used to cover a minefield)
I'm intrigued. I assume that because of this it's a blast mine, rather than deploying some kind of HEAT or EFP payload. A cursory Google seems to state that bar-type mines fell out of favour since the Second World War and that the L9 may be one of the few designs still in service.

Thoughts? Seems like a handy thing to try and introduce as a general purpose weapon.

It looks pretty heavy for door breeching.

[Imperializt Russia]

So, looking through the article that Brit linked on wiki about British troop's equipment, and I spotted the L9-class bar mine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L9_Bar_Mine

Apparently, it's resistant to mine plows and can be used as a door breaching charge (and also a lot more efficient, as far fewer mines can be used to cover a minefield)
I'm intrigued. I assume that because of this it's a blast mine, rather than deploying some kind of HEAT or EFP payload. A cursory Google seems to state that bar-type mines fell out of favour since the Second World War and that the L9 may be one of the few designs still in service.

Thoughts? Seems like a handy thing to try and introduce as a general purpose weapon.

It looks pretty heavy for door breeching.

Apparently, that's what it's occasionally used for.
The cursory Google brought up articles by The Sun and The Mail (crap papers obviously, but they seem to be the only people who talk about mundane military equipment to fill page space for some reason) in which they claimed the mines were also being used as general demolition charges.

Not entirely sure if there's a big stockpile approaching its use-by date or they're just handy and not being used for much else.

[Rich and Corporations]

It looks pretty heavy for door breeching.

Apparently, that's what it's occasionally used for.
The cursory Google brought up articles by The Sun and The Mail (crap papers obviously, but they seem to be the only people who talk about mundane military equipment to fill page space for some reason) in which they claimed the mines were also being used as general demolition charges.

Not entirely sure if there's a big stockpile approaching its use-by date or they're just handy and not being used for much else.

It's SEO.
The bigger your website, the higher your page rank.

Yes.

[Triplebaconation]

It looks pretty heavy for door breeching.

Apparently, that's what it's occasionally used for.
The cursory Google brought up articles by The Sun and The Mail (crap papers obviously, but they seem to be the only people who talk about mundane military equipment to fill page space for some reason) in which they claimed the mines were also being used as general demolition charges.

Not entirely sure if there's a big stockpile approaching its use-by date or they're just handy and not being used for much else.

They're used to make doors. Typical Afghan houses are literally fortresses with a single narrow entrance.

[Rich and Corporations]

Apparently, that's what it's occasionally used for.
The cursory Google brought up articles by The Sun and The Mail (crap papers obviously, but they seem to be the only people who talk about mundane military equipment to fill page space for some reason) in which they claimed the mines were also being used as general demolition charges.

Not entirely sure if there's a big stockpile approaching its use-by date or they're just handy and not being used for much else.

They're used to make doors. Typical Afghan houses are literally fortresses with a single narrow entrance.

it goes to show that afghanistan has a superior civilization when each man has a castle

[Triplebaconation]

Pedo rape palaces* are subject to all kinds of burdensome regulations in the West.



Cultural imperialism in action.

* Please note that only a tiny majority of qalats are actually pedo rape palaces - a mere 60% of Afghan girls are married before 16.

[San-Silvacian]

You tend to end up kicking down the entire frame of the door without trying in Afghanistan.

*Go up to kick in door*

*Entire frame drops with it*

trololol

[Lemanrussland]

Ah yea. I completely forgot about that.

As I understand it, in the real world M72 LAW and AT4 type weapons are issued more like munitions, rather than as standard equipment. The number issued to a squad depends on the type of mission.

At the very least, it allows squads to take out fortifications or light armored vehicles without the need to take the CG from its respective squad.

What do you think of replacing the two machinegun teams in the weapons squad with CG teams?

The weapons squad would almost function as pocket artillery for the platoon commander in that case, while also providing a lot of AT capability. That platoon could put three 84mm rockets and eighteen 40mm grenades on a target very quickly. Is that worth giving up the GPMGs? Or should I just issue some M72 LAW type weapon to my riflemen as required, and call it a day?

[Imperializt Russia]

GPMGs are seriously useful tools to have. Short of full artillery, they're one of the most suppressive tools available to infantry.

Including the two GPMG teams, what supporting arms does the platoon level against its opponents?

[Greater Eurasian Union]

You tend to end up kicking down the entire frame of the door without trying in Afghanistan.

*Go up to kick in door*

*Entire frame drops with it*

trololol

It's all fun and games till the taliban dress up as policemen.

[Rich and Corporations]

You tend to end up kicking down the entire frame of the door without trying in Afghanistan.

*Go up to kick in door*

*Entire frame drops with it*

trololol

It's all fun and games till the taliban dress up as policemen.

or when the Taliban are hired as policemen.

[The balkens]

It's all fun and games till the taliban dress up as policemen.

or when the Taliban are hired as policemen.

Or when the mujahideen beat the Russians.

[Lemanrussland]

GPMGs are seriously useful tools to have. Short of full artillery, they're one of the most suppressive tools available to infantry.

Including the two GPMG teams, what supporting arms does the platoon level against its opponents?

My first draft had the weapons squad containing 2 GPMG crews, and a CG crew. Each rifle squad has it's own GPMG in a light configuration (used just with a bipod, not locked down with a tripod), plus a multiple grenade launcher, in the style of the Milkor MGL or Russian RG-6.

The APCs they're mounted in are probably going to have remote weapon stations with automatic grenade launchers and 7.62mm machine guns on them, like this.



I think I'll stick with the two GPMGs in the weapons squad, plus one CG. I'll just issue some kind of light anti-armor weapon to my rifle squads to provide more anti-tank and anti-structure capability as needed. The CG can handle targets at range and provide airburst HE-FRAG out to 1,000 meters, plus deploy stuff like smoke, illumination, thermobaric munitions, flechette rounds and everything else. The anti-tank capability is honestly secondary. It is more of a replacement of a 60mm mortar than anything.

Having two GPMGs on tripods to support the infantry is too valuable of an asset to give up for more Carl Gustavs, despite how cool having groups of them to lay down huge amounts of HE firepower is.

[Kouralia]

Pedo rape palaces* are subject to all kinds of burdensome regulations in the West.

(Image)

I remember seeing some bitching from American people on a website about how they needed bigger weapons than .50 on Strykers etc. because they just didn't work for knocking down walls in Afghanistan like a 25mm did.

[Aqizithiuda]

It looks pretty heavy for door breeching.

Apparently, that's what it's occasionally used for.
The cursory Google brought up articles by The Sun and The Mail (crap papers obviously, but they seem to be the only people who talk about mundane military equipment to fill page space for some reason) in which they claimed the mines were also being used as general demolition charges.

Not entirely sure if there's a big stockpile approaching its use-by date or they're just handy and not being used for much else.

Like TBN said, making holes in walls are different to breaching a door.

[Greater Eurasian Union]

or when the Taliban are hired as policemen.

Or when the mujahideen beat the Russians.

Or when The Russians softened up afghanistan for NATO/ISAF and The US to launch a combined attack -

Or When The Mujahedeen Were Supported by Economic World Powers ( Saudi - )

Or When you supplied them with stinger missiles

Or the fact that the mujahedeen were technologically capable compared to the era

Or The Fact that the Russians lost fewer men in Afghanistan than you did in Vietnam

[The balkens]

Pedo rape palaces* are subject to all kinds of burdensome regulations in the West.

(Image)

I remember seeing some bitching from American people on a website about how they needed bigger weapons than .50 on Strykers etc. because they just didn't work for knocking down walls in Afghanistan like a 25mm did.

The Strykers are fine with them, right? I'm no expert on APCs.

[Kouralia]

Or when the mujahideen beat the Russians.

Or when The Russians softened up afghanistan for NATO/ISAF and The US to launch a combined attack -

Or When The Mujahedeen Were Supported by Economic World Powers ( Saudi - )

Or When you supplied them with stinger missiles

Or the fact that the mujahedeen were technologically capable compared to the era

Or The Fact that the Russians lost fewer men in Afghanistan than you did in Vietnam

Or when the Russians got their arses kicked by the Mujahedeen.

[Greater Eurasian Union]

Or when The Russians softened up afghanistan for NATO/ISAF and The US to launch a combined attack -

Or When The Mujahedeen Were Supported by Economic World Powers ( Saudi - )

Or When you supplied them with stinger missiles

Or the fact that the mujahedeen were technologically capable compared to the era

Or The Fact that the Russians lost fewer men in Afghanistan than you did in Vietnam

Or when the Russians got their arses kicked by the Mujahedeen.

Or When the Americans Had their arses kicked by the Viet-Cong

[Purpelia]

If I have a platoon of three squads + command section, each with their own BMP-3. Do I really need a weapons section on the side? Or can I dispense with them altogether and use the 4 IFV's to do their job?

[Immoren]

If I have a platoon of three squads + command section, each with their own BMP-3. Do I really need a weapons section on the side? Or can I dispense with them altogether and use the 4 IFV's to do their job?

BMP's basically form weapons section.