The NS Infantry Discussion Thread MkII*

[Purpelia]

That is not really a reason... Could you be more detailed?

You could probably accidentally drop the magazine if you're trying to reach for the safety in front of the trigger guard. IIRC, early M1 carbines had this issue until they fixed the safety and the magazine release.

My rifle is not going to look anything like that one. I just didn't want to crop the magazine assembly out of the picture and re uploaded when I could link to the whole thing. I intend to have the safety be in a completely different place. Possibly even on the opposite side of the rifle.

Also, I do not see a safety in front of a trigger guard anyway.

[New Visegrad]

Question for the thread: Does your nation issue sidearms?

Yes. The default is the Matador Defense Automag, but troopers may also choose the Aucken Moskit-H, or a carbine (bearing in mind a "carbine" is effectively an SMG) if they've taken the marksman specialization path. The sidearm may also be swapped out depending on the mission spec - for example, if the mission requires that the entire troop is equipped with, say, grenade launchers, carbines will be issued as sidearms.

[Premislyd]

No. Reason why: it was designed in the 1880s.

That is not really a reason... Could you be more detailed?

The fact that firearms have advanced isn't really a reason?

[Purpelia]

That is not really a reason... Could you be more detailed?

The fact that firearms have advanced isn't really a reason?

No it is not. If you want to say that a mechanical solution is obsolete you need to show not only that we have developed different things since it was made but also that these different things are better.

I genuinely want to know what about this mechanism makes it worse than what we use today.

[Premislyd]

The fact that firearms have advanced isn't really a reason?

No it is not. If you want to say that a mechanical solution is obsolete you need to show not only that we have developed different things since it was made but also that these different things are better.

Ah.

I forgot that I was talking with Purpelia.

[Novorden]

It's been a while...

Section: 12
2 x Assault teams
Assault team A: 6 (Support team)
-Section Lead with coms equipment
-Gunner
-Designated marksman
-AT or AA Specialist
-Rifleman (Gunner assist)
-Rifleman with UBGL

Assault team B: 6 (Maneuver team) (WIP)
-Team lead
-Automatic rifleman
-Rifleman with anti structure weapon/lightweight AT
-Designated marksman
-Rifleman with shotgun (point man)
-Rifleman with UBGL

Still a work in progress, especially as people have never been one of my strong points, and i am having nothing to reference as i am using 'my' scale.

[Purpelia]

No it is not. If you want to say that a mechanical solution is obsolete you need to show not only that we have developed different things since it was made but also that these different things are better.

Ah.

I forgot that I was talking with Purpelia.

The fact that something is old does NOT mean it is bad. And just because something is new does not automatically make it better. The age or origin of a mechanism do nothing to add to or remove from its factual characteristics and quality or flaws.


I will make it easy for you. Imagine that instead of posting the image of that rifle I had just cropped the magazine bit and posted it without any indication where it came from. For all you know it's just something I drew 5 minutes ago. How would you evaluate the design in that context?

[Premislyd]

It's been a while...

(Image)
Section: 12
2 x Assault teams
Assault team A: 6 (Support team)
-Section Lead with coms equipment
-Gunner
-Designated marksman
-AT or AA Specialist
-Rifleman (Gunner assist)
-Rifleman with UBGL

Assault team B: 6 (Maneuver team) (WIP)
-Team lead
-Automatic rifleman
-Rifleman with anti structure weapon/lightweight AT
-Designated marksman
-Rifleman with shotgun (point man)
-Rifleman with UBGL

Still a work in progress, especially as people have never been one of my strong points, and i am having nothing to reference as i am using 'my' scale.

The two gimpies and sniper at squad level seems odd.

[Lemanrussland]

How'd we get onto Reagan's failed assassination from a picture of a Luxembourg soldier holding an Uzi with M16 magazine pouches?
Edit: Or the utility of a paraplegic, partially paralyzed, or quadriplegic soldier?

Edit 2: Please don't start an argument over sidearms. Thanks for warning me, Fordorsia.
Question for the thread: Does your nation issue sidearms?
Yukonastan doesn't issue sidearms as standard, however, soldiers can choose to purchase one of three different models of sidearm if they so desire. Being a standardized personal weapon, maintenance is vastly simplified over having all soldiers buy their own choice of sidearm, all sidearms take a standard magazine, firing a standard bullet, and can be stored in unit armories if desired. Being privately owned sidearms, they can be taken home after a soldier's mandatory service is over, rather than having to be returned to the armorer. Naturally, if a soldier doesn't see the need for a sidearm, he isn't required to buy one, and can take extra grenades or ammunition instead.

All personnel are authorized to carry the Glock G17 pistol with 2 spare magazines as their sidearm, though many choose to go without it in favor of carrying extra ammunition for their primary weapon, or other gear.

[Aqizithiuda]

No it is not. If you want to say that a mechanical solution is obsolete you need to show not only that we have developed different things since it was made but also that these different things are better.

Ah.

I forgot that I was talking with Purpelia.

Actually, I think it's a legit question. What makes it worse than any modern mag release?

[Premislyd]

Ah.

I forgot that I was talking with Purpelia.

Actually, I think it's a legit question. What makes it worse than any modern mag release?

Awkward placement.

Doesn't look very secured.

(Not necessarily a problem), doesn't really favor "ambidexterity"

[Novorden]

The two gimpies and sniper at squad level seems odd.

Only one is a GPMG

It's not as bad as the British 'heavy squads" in Afghan.

"Heavy squad
Under normal conditions, an 8-man British infantry section is armed with four L85 rifles, one with an under-slung grenade launcher, two L86 light support weapons (LSW), and two FN Minimi light machine guns. For combat in Afghanistan, troops armed themselves more heavily, creating "heavy" squads. Weapons include:

1 × L85A2 rifle or L129A1 marksman rifle
1 × L85A2 rifle with L123A2 UGL (under-slung grenade launcher)
2 × L86A2 LSW's, or 2 × L96A1 sniper rifles, or 2 × L115A3 sniper rifles (or mixture)
2 × L110A1 light machine guns
2 × L7A2 GPMGs"

[Purpelia]

Awkward placement.

This I see. I think I could make it slightly less awkward by elongating the handle a lot. But than I might run the risk of it snagging unless I design the receiver just right. I think I can do it with a flat FAL style receiver though.

Doesn't look very secured.

It all depends on just how much friction there is on the rear sliding piece. I imagine though getting the friction just right would be a chore. But it should be doable.

(Not necessarily a problem), doesn't really favor "ambidexterity"

This is unsolvable. Well actually... Yea, it can't be solved but in no way that would work well and be "pretty" from an engineering standpoint. Still, it's not a major consideration since the rifle I would use it for is to be designed in 1952.

[Imperializt Russia]

What are you quoting from, Brit?

[Aqizithiuda]

Actually, I think it's a legit question. What makes it worse than any modern mag release?

Awkward placement.

Doesn't look very secured.

(Not necessarily a problem), doesn't really favor "ambidexterity"

Placement looks okay to me. In fact, it looks perfect if you want your soldiers to retain mags. Which, while not really much of a requirement these days still gets done by soldiers unless it's a really bad firefight.

I'll give you unsecured, though.

[Purpelia]

Placement looks okay to me. In fact, it looks perfect if you want your soldiers to retain mags. Which, while not really much of a requirement these days still gets done by soldiers unless it's a really bad firefight.

That is standard in my army even today. My soldiers are ordered not to lose their magazines if they can help it. And in 1952 they certainly would be.

[Premislyd]

Awkward placement.

This I see. I think I could make it slightly less awkward by elongating the handle a lot. But than I might run the risk of it snagging unless I design the receiver just right. I think I can do it with a flat FAL style receiver though.

Doesn't look very secured.

It all depends on just how much friction there is on the rear sliding piece. I imagine though getting the friction just right would be a chore. But it should be doable.

(Not necessarily a problem), doesn't really favor "ambidexterity"

This is unsolvable. Well actually... Yea, it can't be solved but in no way that would work well and be "pretty" from an engineering standpoint. Still, it's not a major consideration since the rifle I would use it for is to be designed in 1952.

You could get around the ambidexterity by having it on both sides.

The other problems more or less seal the deal for me though. It's neat if it was like 1920s, but by the 1950s, you should be moving to more conventional, proven styles.

Placement looks okay to me.

Idk. Might just be me, but it seems it would be a bitch to do.

[Novorden]

What are you quoting from, Brit?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_equ ... itish_Army

[OMGeverynameistaken]

Officers of the Russian Empire are allowed to procure personal sidearms (pistol and sword,) that accept military standard ammunition. Line soldiers are issued with a smallsword, although the bayonet is generally preferred.

[Purpelia]

The other problems more or less seal the deal for me though. It's neat if it was like 1920s, but by the 1950s, you should be moving to more conventional, proven styles.

Out of curiosity. Could you give me any links or reference photos? Googling "magazine release" tends to provide results that are not really related to firearms.

[Premislyd]

The other problems more or less seal the deal for me though. It's neat if it was like 1920s, but by the 1950s, you should be moving to more conventional, proven styles.

Out of curiosity. Could you give me any links or reference photos? Googling "magazine release" tends to provide results that are not really related to firearms.

Just type in "AK style mag release"

"AR-15 style mag release" etc.

[Purpelia]

Out of curiosity. Could you give me any links or reference photos? Googling "magazine release" tends to provide results that are not really related to firearms.

Just type in "AK style mag release"

"AR-15 style mag release" etc.

I think I'll improvise something. I came up with some crazy spring loaded ideas already.

[United states of brazilian nations]

MOAR hand-drawnings. this time, i bring you an integrally-suppressed, short-stroke .300 AAC Blackout carbine. designed for special forces, personal defense, field trip use and recreative usage (comes with a 5.56mm NATO [military]/.223 Remington [civilian] conversion kit, AKA new barrel), this weapon features an integral suppressor that incorporates a quite uncommon mechanism: the actual venting ports are mainly located at the forward part of the barrel, providing a means for relatively high muzzle velocity (with supersonic ammo) and also allows a proper amount of gas to cycle the action. however, the supressor "body" is located almost all around the barrel, thus giving the air a lot of expansion and cooling space. this allows for a compact weapon that is "silent" enough for operation without ear protection, even with subsonic ammunition, providing a great means of personal defense and recreational shooting.

Fuzil Automático Compacto, or Compact Automatic Rifle

this is basically a mashup of an AR-15 and a SCAR with a bit of AK thrown in. couldn't be assed to "colour" it like i did with these two but will probably do it sometime.

it is really, really compact and sports a folding adjustable stock for maximum OPERATOR backpack-carrying compatibility for those field trips.

[Lemanrussland]

Alright, I've got a platoon organization for you guys. I'm not going to list out specific individual equipment, this is just to get a handle on the overall organization.

Command element (6 soldiers)

Platoon commander - Assault rifle
Platoon sergeant - Assault rifle
Platoon medic - Carbine length assault rifle
Platoon RTO - Carbine length assault rifle, platoon radio
Forward observer - Carbine length assault rifle, laser designator, map
FO's RTO - Carbine length assault rifle, FDC (Fire Direction Center) radio

Rifle squad (9 soldiers)

Squad leader - Assault rifle
Assistant squad leader - Assault rifle
Machinegunner - General purpose machine gun
Assistant gunner - Carbine length assault rifle, extra ammunition and spare barrels for GPMG
Grenadier - Multiple grenade launcher, carbine-length assault rifle
Rifleman - Assault rifle
Rifleman - Assault rifle
Rifleman/Marksman - Designated marksman rifle
Rifleman/Combat lifesaver - Assault rifle, extra medical equipment

Rifle squad (9 soldiers)

Squad leader - Assault rifle
Assistant squad leader - Assault rifle
Machinegunner - General purpose machine gun
Assistant gunner - Carbine length assault rifle, extra ammunition and spare barrels for GPMG
Grenadier - Multiple grenade launcher, carbine-length assault rifle
Rifleman - Assault rifle
Rifleman - Assault rifle
Rifleman/Marksman - Designated marksman rifle
Rifleman/Combat lifesaver - Assault rifle, extra medical equipment

Rifle squad (9 soldiers)

Squad leader - Assault rifle
Assistant squad leader - Assault rifle
Machinegunner - General purpose machine gun
Assistant gunner - Carbine length assault rifle, extra ammunition and spare barrels for GPMG
Grenadier - Multiple grenade launcher, carbine-length assault rifle
Rifleman - Assault rifle
Rifleman - Assault rifle
Rifleman/Marksman - Designated marksman rifle
Rifleman/Combat lifesaver - Assault rifle, extra medical equipment

Weapons squad (11 soldiers)

Squad leader - Assault rifle
Assistant squad leader - Assault rifle
Machinegunner - General purpose machine gun, pistol
Assistant gunner - Carbine length assault rifle, tripod, spare barrels and extra ammunition for the GPMG
Ammo bearer - Assault rifle, extra ammunition for the GPMG
Machinegunner - General purpose machine gun, pistol
Assistant gunner - Carbine length assault rifle, tripod, spare barrels and extra ammunition for the GPMG
Ammo bearer - Assault rifle, extra ammunition for the GPMG
RCRL gunner - 84mm man portable recoilless rifle, pistol
RCRL assistant - Carbine length assault rifle, mix of ammunition for the RCRL
Ammo bearer - Assault rifle, mix of ammunition for the RCRL

Each rifle squad functions either as a fire OR a maneuver element. They don't perform fire and maneuver on their own like in a lot of Western squads. You will need at least 4 armored personnel carriers with space for 11 dismounts each to carry this. The command element is split up between the spare seats in the rifle squads' APCs. Not really suited to being mounted in IFVs, since you'd have to have lots of vehicles and split the squads up between them.

One thing I'm not really sure about is if I should just use an accurized assault rifle for my squad designated marksmen, or if I should use proper DMRs with full sized 7.62x51mm ammunition.

[Premislyd]

You might want to have some sort of M72 LAW for the squaddie level rather than the CG knock off for the entire platoon.