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Who should begin the next thread?

San-Silvacian
8
9%
Purpelia
7
8%
Beno
10
11%
Puzikas
20
22%
Kouralia
5
5%
The Archangel Conglomerate:
8
9%
Immoren
4
4%
Premislyd
10
11%
Anemos Major
15
16%
The Akasha Colony
4
4%
 
Total votes : 91

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Spreewerke
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Postby Spreewerke » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:40 pm

Black Hand wrote:
Puzikas wrote:Its really not that special goven muzzle climb =/=recoil. Plus, "eliminated 100%" is a dubious claim at best.

Sieg with a AK-74 brake attached to the front with a vortex flash hider attached to the front of that. I will call it beno brake. (Due to obsession with vortex and sieg)



I already created this.

It's a conventional-layout bullpup with a folding stock, magnified 4x optic with also-usable 2MOA red dot sight that cowitnesses with the iron sights. It also features a Sieg/"Barret"/'74U device, and the UBGL is rail-mounted while also capable of accepting bayonets.


http://i.imgur.com/6UCL8OR.png
Last edited by Spreewerke on Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Sevvania
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Postby Sevvania » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:41 pm

Puzikas wrote:Its really not that special goven muzzle climb =/=recoil. Plus, "eliminated 100%" is a dubious claim at best.

From what little information I can find on it, it appears that during testing, it was able to be fired with one hand. Wikipedia also says that firing gently nudged the barrel downwards instead of upwards. While it does sound almost too good to be true, I haven't yet found anything that contradicts it.

@Spree: Pics or it didn't happen.
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Spreewerke
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Postby Spreewerke » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:42 pm

Sevvania wrote:
Puzikas wrote:Its really not that special goven muzzle climb =/=recoil. Plus, "eliminated 100%" is a dubious claim at best.

From what little information I can find on it, it appears that during testing, it was able to be fired with one hand. Wikipedia also says that firing gently nudged the barrel downwards instead of upwards. While it does sound almost too good to be true, I haven't yet found anything that contradicts it.

@Spree: Pics or it didn't happen.



Pics have been provided in post.

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Bezombia
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:44 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Black Hand wrote:Sieg with a AK-74 brake attached to the front with a vortex flash hider attached to the front of that. I will call it beno brake. (Due to obsession with vortex and sieg)



I already created this.

It's a conventional-layout bullpup with a folding stock, magnified 4x optic with also-usable 2MOA red dot sight that cowitnesses with the iron sights. It also features a Sieg/"Barret"/'74U device, and the UBGL is rail-mounted while also capable of accepting bayonets.


http://i.imgur.com/6UCL8OR.png


how do you load it
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Sevvania
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Postby Sevvania » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:48 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:

I already created this.

It's a conventional-layout bullpup with a folding stock, magnified 4x optic with also-usable 2MOA red dot sight that cowitnesses with the iron sights. It also features a Sieg/"Barret"/'74U device, and the UBGL is rail-mounted while also capable of accepting bayonets.


http://i.imgur.com/6UCL8OR.png


how do you load it

Either through the pistol grip or by inserting a round into the chamber directly, I would guess.
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Bezombia
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:52 pm

Also what's up with the ejection port being a lot higher than the barrel
The AK's isn't that high
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Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
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Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:52 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Jungle carbine. Caliber .44 Chevalier. Folding stock. 13'' barrel. (because you don't use metric with lever rifles.)


:')

Will only pagebump this once, since it's probably never going to bear fruit of any kind.
Unreachable.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:54 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Black Hand wrote:Sieg with a AK-74 brake attached to the front with a vortex flash hider attached to the front of that. I will call it beno brake. (Due to obsession with vortex and sieg)



I already created this.

It's a conventional-layout bullpup with a folding stock, magnified 4x optic with also-usable 2MOA red dot sight that cowitnesses with the iron sights. It also features a Sieg/"Barret"/'74U device, and the UBGL is rail-mounted while also capable of accepting bayonets.


http://i.imgur.com/6UCL8OR.png

The fuck have you done Spree.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:56 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Black Hand wrote:Sieg with a AK-74 brake attached to the front with a vortex flash hider attached to the front of that. I will call it beno brake. (Due to obsession with vortex and sieg)



I already created this.

It's a conventional-layout bullpup with a folding stock, magnified 4x optic with also-usable 2MOA red dot sight that cowitnesses with the iron sights. It also features a Sieg/"Barret"/'74U device, and the UBGL is rail-mounted while also capable of accepting bayonets.


http://i.imgur.com/6UCL8OR.png


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Spreewerke
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Postby Spreewerke » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:06 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Jungle carbine. Caliber .44 Chevalier. Folding stock. 13'' barrel. (because you don't use metric with lever rifles.)


:')

Will only pagebump this once, since it's probably never going to bear fruit of any kind.



Your loop looks kind of short. Might elongate it so it can be used with gloves (I know, I know: Jungle Carbine, but still) or people naturally born with gorilla-man hands.

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Postby Crookfur » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:27 pm

Romic wrote:Would using the NATO structure be a good Idea to structure an army off of?


British is best thanks to: http://www.armedforces.co.uk/armyindex.php#.UyIhbIW0N8E although it hasn't been updated to reflect the comming post afghanistan changes (i.e the MRAPIFICATION of infantry battalions)


As to Crookfur squad size the Crookfur Infantry uses a standard 10 section consisting of 2 x4 man fire ateams and an a 2 man support team/vehcile crew i.e. in light inf. units the 2 man team have a belt fed MG, light ATGM or multipurpose explody funtime thrower but in mechanised and armoured inf. units they provide the driver and gunner for vehciles (with the section commander also being the vehicle commander).
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Coltarin
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Postby Coltarin » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:49 pm

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Puzikas wrote:"No gun? Fuck it , you're now Comrade Meat Shield" level.
Fordorsia wrote:Why sell the restored weapons when you can keep them in a military-themed sex dungeon?
Spreewerke wrote:Basically plainclothes, armed security on a plane. Terrorist starts boxcuttering? Shoot his ass. Passenger starts being a dickhole penisweiner? Arrest his ass. Stewardess walks by? Smack dat ass. People obviously see you? Lose your job as a federal employee and suffer a failing marriage while your children don't speak with you at home and, due to your newly-developed drinking problem, you also lose all custody rights of your children. Your life culminates with your self-immolation inside your one-bedroom trailer home.

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Postby Bezombia » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:50 pm



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Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon...but down this road we've been so many times...
Please, call me Benomia. Post count +14623, founded Oct. 23, 2012.
Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
I'm a poet. Come read my poems!

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Immoren
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Postby Immoren » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:55 pm

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So youtube is not derping only for me.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:58 pm


"Don't call me a redneck, I don't like it, I think it's offensive"

-proceeds to go full redneck-
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Postby Kouralia » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:58 pm

Immoren wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
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A team of highly trained monkeys has been dispatched to deal with this situation.

If you see them, show them this information:
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So youtube is not derping only for me.

I press refresh repeatedly, and it works after one or two tries for me.

Such as this video of Michael Gove.
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:02 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:

"Don't call me a redneck, I don't like it, I think it's offensive"

-proceeds to go full redneck-


...I think it's intentional...
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:11 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:"Don't call me a redneck, I don't like it, I think it's offensive"

-proceeds to go full redneck-


...I think it's intentional...

Or he considers being called a scientist offensive. :p

EDIT: We're getting super sidetracked though.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:13 pm

Redoing my 50s paratrooper battlecarbine soon. Areas to improve on? Suggestions for reference? Ideas for features?
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Postby Bratislavskaya » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:30 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Redoing my 50s paratrooper battlecarbine soon. Areas to improve on? Suggestions for reference? Ideas for features?

Maybe some better sights?
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:40 pm

Bratislavskaya wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Redoing my 50s paratrooper battlecarbine soon. Areas to improve on? Suggestions for reference? Ideas for features?

Maybe some better sights?


Definitely needs some guttersnipe.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:42 pm

Nah man. FG42 style clamp rail.
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Postby Purpelia » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:43 pm

That rifle design! It's genius! Putting the entire action above the shooters shoulder like that!

Now assume someone sane goes and does it and you basically get a real stock tucked under the action, maybe a good cover to stop dirt getting in etc. How would you rate the design idea overall? And give me good reasons why not to make a rifle that works like that.

Basically, just imagine that I'd put a tube through which the bolt recoils backward where his buffer tube is.
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:48 pm

Purpelia wrote:That rifle design! It's genius! Putting the entire action above the shooters shoulder like that!

Now assume someone sane goes and does it and you basically get a real stock tucked under the action, maybe a good cover to stop dirt getting in etc. How would you rate the design idea overall? And give me good reasons why not to make a rifle that works like that.

Basically, just imagine that I'd put a tube through which the bolt recoils backward where his buffer tube is.


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Postby Purpelia » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:49 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:That rifle design! It's genius! Putting the entire action above the shooters shoulder like that!

Now assume someone sane goes and does it and you basically get a real stock tucked under the action, maybe a good cover to stop dirt getting in etc. How would you rate the design idea overall? And give me good reasons why not to make a rifle that works like that.

Basically, just imagine that I'd put a tube through which the bolt recoils backward where his buffer tube is.


Purp, meet the Barrett M82A2.

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YES, exactly. But imagine that setup with a short stroke RFB.
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