Worldbuilding Realism Consultation Thread Mk. 4

[Kazarogkai]

Where else would they be but on the street with pedestrians?

In a modern city without cars the natural result would be for a very dense city, not necessarily like the aforementioned but still, and combine that with the natural tendency for roads meant for people to be very thin I can't really see there being enough room for such things. Hence underground, were we can make roads.

[Taihei Tengoku]

In a modern city without cars the natural result would be for a very dense city, not necessarily like the aforementioned but still, and combine that with the natural tendency for roads meant for people to be very thin I can't really see there being enough room for such things. Hence underground, were we can make roads.

You are literally looking at a city that found room

[Kazarogkai]

In a modern city without cars the natural result would be for a very dense city, not necessarily like the aforementioned but still, and combine that with the natural tendency for roads meant for people to be very thin I can't really see there being enough room for such things. Hence underground, were we can make roads.

You are literally looking at a city that found room

Is that a city without cars, unless it has the same exact situation as I mentioned then it doesn't really count much.

[Taihei Tengoku]

You are literally looking at a city that found room

Is that a city without cars, unless it has the same exact situation as I mentioned then it doesn't really count much.

When Tokyo was rebuilt cars might as well been banned since the Americans bombed it flat and the survivors couldn't afford one anyways. They found room for aboveground rail because they aren't idiots and think they can move their bulk freight--the stuff that needs to be cheap--into expensive underground tunnels

[Ainin]

In a modern city without cars the natural result would be for a very dense city, not necessarily like the aforementioned but still, and combine that with the natural tendency for roads meant for people to be very thin I can't really see there being enough room for such things. Hence underground, were we can make roads.

The Ninth Avenue El looking north from Battery Park, built in 1868.

Surprisingly, cities built before the existence of cars don't just have tiny, snaking alleys.

[Gallia-]

For what purpose?

Even the most absurd of arcology would have above-ground trains.

So they won't kill the pedestrians in the street duh. This is an alternate world where they banned cars inside city limits to keep pedestrians safe. They would be back at square one if they allowed freaking trains, which are no better than cars in that regard, in city limits.

???

Cities have banned cars from streets from IRL. Doesn't stop them from using trains. Considering that trains require fenced in and railed in terminals and yards to operate, where there's not a lot of pedestrian traffic, just like there's not a lot of pedestrians on subway metro lines, it is a complete non-issue. People are not so stupid as to wander in the path of a train, except when their mental faculties are disturbed by disease, drunkenness, or stupidity. Understandably this is an extremely small portion of the population.

Putting a freight train underground isn't going to stop people from killing themselves, drunkenly falling onto the rail tracks, or betting their friends they can piss on the third rail without electrocuting themselfs. They'll find a way to do all this and more, except it will be even more difficult to keep tabs on them because they're underground and it's really dark down there.

[Kazarogkai]

In a modern city without cars the natural result would be for a very dense city, not necessarily like the aforementioned but still, and combine that with the natural tendency for roads meant for people to be very thin I can't really see there being enough room for such things. Hence underground, were we can make roads.

The Ninth Avenue El looking north from Battery Park, built in 1868.

Surprisingly, cities built before the existence of cars don't just have tiny, snaking alleys.

They look better if they do. Dammit I wanted to have a way to justify the Kowloon walled city format being the norm. Your no fun.

[Taihei Tengoku]

The Kowloon Walled City existed because it was a tiny bit of the PRC in Hong Kong where the PRC could not enforce their laws. That is what drove people to cram into a de facto stateless zone, not because cars were banned.

[Yohannes]

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About to write an in-character reply post in someone's thread [in relation to free trade] about, uhm, related information/history of the Yohannesian economy (the post still under construction)

Can someone (or people) who love economic stuff in relation/applied to NationStates storytelling/roleplaying tear it down to pieces please. And don't hold back! Aha. If you see anything that's not realistic, please do tell and tear it down to pieces [Edit: I welcome opinions too! But I reserve the right to reply, aha]

Edit: So many edits required... ugh. I really need to plan out my post properly before, uhm, actually posting something. Yeah.

Edit: I have posted in the thread of the player in question. Old version has been replaced by the final version here for future criticism purpose. Thank you!

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Agreement for Equal Trade and the Connecting of the Nineteen Countries Economy with the Economy of Arthropol

Equal Trade and Connecting of Economies 2017 — Arthropol -- An excerpt from the two hundred and thirtieth parliamentary hansard: Monday, 4 September 2017 - Volume 951; Oral Questions — Questions to Ministers of the Executive Council, Emperor, and Realm.


1. HAIKE KOOPMAN (Christian Democratic - Democratic) to the Minister of Economy, Industry, and Trade: How will Equal Trade and Connecting of Economies 2017 — Arthropol helping boost foreign trade over the next three years?

Hon EMILY KIRCHWEGER (Minister of Economy, Industry, and Trade; Christian Democratic - Democratic): Arthropol Trade 2017 will make small, but important contribution to the current Duality Economy policy of the Christian Democratic Executive Council. The Office of the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of Post, Railway, and Telecommunications has reported that Arthropol Trade 2017 will slightly boost inward telecommunications investment by at least 250 million, in NationStates Dollar or Universal Standard Dollar, over three years in the telecommunications industry, 1.1 billion in renewable energy commercialisation — that is, fully in accordance with the Resource Management Amendment Act 1987, and as reported recently by the Renewable Energy Development Corporation — and 1.7 billion in the fields of chemistry and material development, taking the apparent additional investment in the nineteen countries to 3.05 billion over the next three years. On top of these additional investments -- that is, money coming into the nineteen countries, not out -- we of course want to make sure that the apparent benefits go even further, which is why the Office of the Chief Economist has been tasked recently with exploring any alternative routes in order for us to get more value for the money invested in Arthropol by Yohannes, and vice versa.

HAIKE KOOPMAN: How will this investment you have mentioned further help the vulnerable members of our society?

Hon EMILY KIRCHWEGER: The original theme of Arthropol Trade 2017 was to further the prosperity of Yohannesians, and that of course includes members of our society who are in need — through measures such as the Vocational Education Authority's Night Learning and Re-skill Programme. That is why, as part of our budget, the Executive Council is investing over 300 million in NationStates Dollar for the next three years in specific reskilling and vocational schemes, with source of such capital to come from the profit we acquired in Arthropol Trade 2017. This includes over twenty schemes aimed at tackling societal issues for those in need. To go along the theme of our Executive Council, the majority of this income would go towards the re-skilling and re-skilling related support schemes of those in need, and their direct families; with at least 50 million in NationStates Dollar being invested this year to ensure the acceptable support of these families, and the children in such families.

HAIKE KOOPMAN: What are the Executive Council's future intentions for investing in Arthropol?

Hon EMILY KIRCHWEGER: Arthropol Trade 2017 clearly outlined the future benefits of connecting our economy with that nation state, with forecast growth of almost 50 billion in NationStates Dollar, in the long run — by the year 2025, to be exact — attributed alone to the realisation of this Agreement. When we take this into account together with the apparent benefits previously mentioned, this means the Executive Council is committed to spread the benefits of Equal Trade Agreement and the Connecting of Economy towards those sensitive areas untouched by the previous Social Democratic Executive Council.

Rt Hon SAUL RYAN (Speaker of Parliament; Social Democratic): Before this Oral Question is laid to rest, I want to ask the Minister: Why did Arthropol Trade 2017 prioritise only 250 million in NationStates Dollar of telecommunications investment for the next three years, whilst spending 300 million, 50 million more, for the next three years, in re-skilling and vocational schemes. Renewable energy development surely cannot make as much a return as that of the telecommunications industry, if truly, quote, ... order for us to get more value for the money invested in Arthropol by Yohannes, and vice versa... invested in Yohannes, unquote, is the true objective of the Christian Democratic Executive Council in this agreement?

Hon EMILY KIRCHWEGER: The, without a doubt, non-partisan Mr Speaker [ laughing heard all around the Christian Democratic and Green seats ] is as expected to finish his sentence with as much falsity as one would expect from reading his Finance and Expenditure Committee questions yesterday. At the end of the day, the Renewable Energy Development Corporation has reported under a bipartisan setting which I am sure The Right Honourable Speaker would remember. Of course, my expectation can somehow be thrown into doubt, considering the tendency of The Right Honourable Speaker to quote “real news” and not “fake news”, as I am sure The Right Honourable Speaker's fellow Burmecian Member for the New Cleyra Electorate, The Honourable Ronald Chump, would agree.

[ TELL THAT TO HIS WEIRCONSIN BEST OF OIL BUDDIES...! A member from the Green section heckled ]

The simple facts are that Arthropol Trade 2017 will make small, but important contribution to the current Duality Economy policy of the Christian Democratic Executive Council, with almost 100 million... or at least 50 million in NationStates Dollar being invested to ensure the acceptable support of low-income families, and children in such families.

From the Office of the Minister of Economy, Industry, and Trade
The Honourable Emily Kirchweger, Member of Parliament for the Bremstadt Electorate

Your esteemed Minister,

There is no repudiating the reality that lively competition will always work as a powerful catalyst for the realisation of a high rate of growth. The economic history of the nineteen countries, a nation state of 379 million people, certainly supports that statement. During the Second Industrial Growth Era, it was well-attested that domestic inter-firm competition was very desirous, and the word “unrestrained rivalry” was often used to portray this strange attribute of the Yohannesian economy; although its meaning was not always clear in academic terms amongst World Assembly economists.

I believe that there were three elements which accelerated the commonly named historical situation of “unrestrained rivalry” in the nineteen countries:

1. A situation of the buyer’s market:

The existence of a large number of micro, small, and medium-sized enterprises – the traditional workhorse of the Yohannesian economy – based on abundant cheap labour, has become an almost perpetual source of new entry into industry despite the widespread presence of large enterprises, which formed an oligopoly - or a state of limited competition, in which a market is shared by a small number of producers or sellers - amongst themselves.

In reality, many micro, small, and medium-sized enterprises are affiliated with the large enterprises through such things as organised, or pre-planned invitation to tender, and subcontracting; and so we have a situation of monopsony, or a market situation in which there is only one buyer, in relation to products supplied by the subcontracted micro, small, and medium-sized enterprises.

An element of the “unrestrained tendency” of inter-firm rivalry in selling can be seen amongst these quintessential Yohannesian enterprises.

2. The social market intervention to artificially create the duality economy – social market economy – as represented by MEIT (Ministry of Domestic Economy, Export Industry, and International Trade):

The nation state intervention in the form of fixed investment control in some oligopolistic industries, e.g., iron and steel and electrical conductors and resistors, has caused desirous inter-firm investment competition in the possible hope of higher share in their market.

3. The “two economy” reality:

The high growth potential of the economy because of the gap between the nation state’s potential technological capability, based on its existing high-level of education and the still outdated technology employed during the “catch-up” period, has caused a situation of ruthless competition in the introduction of advanced foreign technology; not only amongst large enterprises, but especially amongst micro, small, and medium-sized enterprises.

Such an “unrestrained rivalry” situation may have been one of the catalysts which brought about the sharp growth, for over a century unabated; although we could also claim that unrestrained rivalry was in fact a consequence of high growth rate, and not the other way around.

It should be noted, however, that rivalry, or market competition, not within but without, with foreign nation states, had been much more limited then in comparison to now. During the import restriction days of the Second Industrial Growth period, many industries which were still “newborn” around ten years after the tabled Foreign Mission Act 1787 had come into force, have now grown up as healthy export industries.

If the foreign trade liberalisation and “free trade” policy of today had already been enforced in the early dark days of “industrial catch-up” and “modernisation to save the nation state from occidental colonisation and subjugation”, I feel that the gradual emergence of such industries into the favourably competitive industries of today, e.g., financial services and banking, and capital-intensive manufacturing, et al., would not have been made possible.

One could therefore say that the combination of import restriction with the internal “unrestrained rivalry” beast could be considered as one of many factors responsible for the remarkable growth of nineteenth and early twentieth century Yohannes. Another thing to note was that the growth of these “newborn” industries was not reduced to a few sectors; it expand to other sectors of the nineteenth and early twentieth century economy. Accordingly, a good amount of export industries developed, in turn acting as powerful pillars to sustain the already existing healthy rate of growth.

I do not claim, however, that an everlasting condition of import restriction will contribute to the desirous high rate of growth Your Esteemed Minister had wanted. Arthropol is in a much better position than the “culturally uncivilised” and “economically backward” Yohannes of yesteryear (two hundred years cannot be deemed as the distant past, if we count how old this world our international communities of nation states and regions reside in). Unlike Arthropol, who can assuredly place itself amongst the ranks of the industrialised nation states, the nineteen countries in much of the nineteenth century could not afford the luxury of free trade. Today, of course, it is quite the different story.

Naturally, it is understandable that, after establishing an acceptable standard of competitive power in key industries, Yohannes of the early twentieth century had then taken the steps necessary to eliminate, or at least substantially reduce, her import barriers; to situate herself into the position to liberalise her capital transactions and movements. However, it must be noted that, in this catching-up process, the control of import for some period of time may be one important factor of encouragement for growth, provided that that nation state has the inclination and inherent potential to introduce new technology; and thus expanding the economy through internal competition.

Following the sentence used by the advocate of our social market economy and, until recently, duality economic policy, the “capacity to learn and adapt”, we can say that the newly industrialised nineteen countries then had probably displayed a good sense of inclination, and showed the inherent capacity to transform her industrial structure. For the twenty years between 1933 and 1953, agricultural labour decreased by twenty seven per cent. Her capital and investment intensive industry ratio increased to about forty per cent, higher than the more mature and older industrialised nation states, e.g., Knootoss, The Scandinvans, and Van Luxemburg.

The accelerated pace at which new technologies were introduced, for various industries, was sublime. The introduction of the latest methods of production and high-level technology into the economy, and the more than pliable financing options available had created the foundation necessary; with the accelerated growth found within sectors of the economy by financial institutions, e.g., the Bank of Yohannes, being also a representation of her inherent capacity to transform. Of course, transformation and inclination to do so may partly be a result of the high growth rate, but this causality may also be the other way around.

The economies of the more mature industrialised nation states of the old world – who have forcibly opened the nineteen countries to the foreign definition of “free trade” using the threats of colonialism and military intervention – were in the so-called secular stagnation period, and one of the reasons may have lied in their extremely low willingness to transform their economies and industrial structures from that of internationalised, and extremely liberalised market model, in the face of the emergence of newly industrialised nation states and market players, e.g., Lamoni, Yohannes.

In contrast, the late modernising Lamonian and Yohannesian economies have exhibited a high flexibility in the transformation of their industrial structures; Lamoni to assume a more military-industrial social market economy, e.g., LAIX Arms, Lyran Arms, and World Anti-Slavery Organisation related military-industrial production; Yohannes to assume a more civilian-industrial social market economy, e.g., her decisions to outsource and decentralise VMK AG military-industrial infrastructure, whilst artificially centralising her non-military civilian sector, e.g., Bank of Yohannes, Alleswerken AG, Royal Beaufort Civilian Shipbuilding, and Yohannesische Bundesbank.

The rapid growth of the Yohannesian economy was sustained all through the Second Industrial Growth period to the Deflation and Lagging period of the nineties; and finally today, where it can be safe to assume that the nineteen countries, alongside Lamoni, have joined the ranks of the mature industrialised nation states of yesteryear.

Therein lies our problem: Whereas the economies of Greater Dienstad (Imperial Golden Throne (The Macabees), Lamoni, Mokastana, Nihon, et al.) continue to enjoy acceptable growth rate, the nineteen countries meanwhile has lagged behind in a malaise of stunted growth since the eighties. This, in spite of the marked increase of investment undertaken by various small and medium sized enterprises affiliated with the duality economy operations of the Bank of Yohannes and VMK AG. Nothing has worked to solve our problem; the problem of a first world nation state.

This can be seen by the recent decision of our government to remove ourselves from the multifaceted matters of nation states power politics and international incidents. We will confess that the nineteen countries of today has been eclipsed in matters of international diplomacy and power politics by the fast growing – some would say in the most aggressive way possible – nation states of the international communities, those who did not exist when nation states such as Lamoni, Ralkovia, Yohannes, et al. were growing themselves into what they are today. Today, nation states such as Greater Nihon, Pharthan, et al. or organisations of the same nation states (SACTO et al.) have assumed that high-growth seat, and are busy propelling themselves to greater diplomatic, economic, and most certainly, military height.

It is the culmination of the flying geese paradigm; that the next generation will always surpass the previous one. As a neutral member of the international communities of nation states, we are confident of our undertakings: The pursuit of common prosperity with other peoples of the international communities, irrespective of diplomatic ideologies or nation state politics. It is with that in mind that I have taken the necessary steps to communicate my interest to representatives of your office this morning. You will find the required application expressing the interest of the Christian Democratic Executive Council resting before your desk.

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Nation: The Realm of Yohannes

Realistic Population: 379 million

Realistic GDP (nominal): 14.509 trillion (GDP per capita nominal of around 38,000)

Currency: Quertz russling; exchange rate to USD: fully convertible to NationStates Dollar or Universal Standard Dollar; 110 Quertz russling is equal to 1 NationStates or Universal Standard Dollar; or 1 NSD/USD is equal to 0.0091 Quertz russling.

Biggest Industries: Chemical technology, material development and structural engineering; Financial services and banking

What do you want to trade with us? The Office of the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of High Technology and Industrial Security, as represented by the Office of Import Control, requires for the importation of products under the following categories: Agricultural products and foodstuffs; automobiles and vehicles; chemical, energy, and mineral resources; electrically operated equipment that accumulates, processes, and stores data; and parts of machines or mechanical apparatuses.

Further diplomatic talks with leaders? Discussion and meeting will be held by our respective diplomats and negotiators behind the scene.

[Nioya]

In the real world, would it be possible for a nation to be anti-USA, anti-israel, and anti-russia? Or would such a country get invaded and destroyed?

[Allanea]

In the real world, would it be possible for a nation to be anti-USA, anti-israel, and anti-russia? Or would such a country get invaded and destroyed?

What does that mean?

That's to say, in what form would these policies express themselves?

People (not even Americans or Russians) don't just invade other countries for not liking them.

(Libya, famously, got away with randomly dropping sea mines near the Suez canal that damaged US, Chinese, Soviet, and German vessels - you'd think that'd end in war).

[Gallia-]

In the real world, would it be possible for a nation to be anti-USA, anti-israel, and anti-russia? Or would such a country get invaded and destroyed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey

[Crookfur]

In the real world, would it be possible for a nation to be anti-USA, anti-israel, and anti-russia? Or would such a country get invaded and destroyed?

It's possible as long as the "anti-everybody" kind of thing doesn't pose a great threat to anybody and they don't have a pressing reason to be interested in your nation.

[Nioya]

In the real world, would it be possible for a nation to be anti-USA, anti-israel, and anti-russia? Or would such a country get invaded and destroyed?

What does that mean?

That's to say, in what form would these policies express themselves?

People (not even Americans or Russians) don't just invade other countries for not liking them.

(Libya, famously, got away with randomly dropping sea mines near the Suez canal that damaged US, Chinese, Soviet, and German vessels - you'd think that'd end in war).

In terms of the leader heavily denouncing western imperialism and Israel and the government sanctioning the latter.

[Gallia-]

What does that mean?

That's to say, in what form would these policies express themselves?

People (not even Americans or Russians) don't just invade other countries for not liking them.

(Libya, famously, got away with randomly dropping sea mines near the Suez canal that damaged US, Chinese, Soviet, and German vessels - you'd think that'd end in war).

In terms of the leader heavily denouncing western imperialism and Israel and the government sanctioning the latter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recep_Tayyip_Erdo%C4%9Fan

[Kazarogkai]

In the real world, would it be possible for a nation to be anti-USA, anti-israel, and anti-russia? Or would such a country get invaded and destroyed?

It's possible as long as the "anti-everybody" kind of thing doesn't pose a great threat to anybody and they don't have a pressing reason to be interested in your nation.

Having nuclear weapons helps a lot too in the real world. Have them developed some time in the 50s or 60s when detection would hopefully be a little off and you should be more or less golden.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

snippitty

You've returned?

I bow to you my master

[The State of Monavia]

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About to write an in-character reply post in someone's thread [in relation to free trade] about, uhm, related information/history of the Yohannesian economy (the post still under construction)

Can someone (or people) who love economic stuff in relation/applied to NationStates storytelling/roleplaying tear it down to pieces please. And don't hold back! Aha. If you see anything that's not realistic, please do tell and tear it down to pieces [Edit: I welcome opinions too! But I reserve the right to reply, aha]

Edit: So many edits required... ugh. I really need to plan out my post properly before, uhm, actually posting something. Yeah.

Edit: I have posted in the thread of the player in question. Old version has been replaced by the final version here for future criticism purpose. Thank you!

[snip]

You broke the fourth wall many times in the course of writing in-character prose (e.g. mentioning NS from the inside, posting links inside IC content). I also do not understand why your transcript used ellipses in place of quotation marks in a couple of places or why Yohannesian politicians are discussing monetary amounts in terms of NSD. I assume that characters from the same country would discuss everything in terms of their own country’s currency. Minister Kirchweger never signed her letter, and for that matter, leading protocol authorities state that people should not use “the Hono(u)rable” reflexively. For more stuff on letter writing, please consult Chapter 8 of my handbook for roleplaying diplomacy and consider posting a review if you can find the time to read it.

In the real world, would it be possible for a nation to be anti-USA, anti-israel, and anti-russia? Or would such a country get invaded and destroyed?

It's possible as long as the "anti-everybody" kind of thing doesn't pose a great threat to anybody and they don't have a pressing reason to be interested in your nation.

It depends on what you mean by a country being “anti-X.” If “anti-X” means passively opposing or refusing to conduct business with X, that is one thing. If being “anti-X” means making war on X or sending terrorists to X to cause trouble, expect retaliation. That being said, I strongly hope you’re not planning to create an NS country that is based entirely off of reacting to real-life stuff and other fourth-wall breaks. It makes for bad writing…

[Crookfur]

It's possible as long as the "anti-everybody" kind of thing doesn't pose a great threat to anybody and they don't have a pressing reason to be interested in your nation.

Having nuclear weapons helps a lot too in the real world. Have them developed some time in the 50s or 60s when detection would hopefully be a little off and you should be more or less golden.

It would also be mote or less impossible to develop an independent nuclear program in that time scale without effectively being France or China or at least the equivalent in available technical and material resources. Of course being a nation of that standing/level means it's very unlikely anyone would have a real desire to invade you anyway and you would have a government and diplomatic corps capable of being thoroughly pragmatic and tactful.

A loud anti US/isreal/russia voice pretty much means a fairly small nation with internal troubles that it tries to cover over or quell by raging against the outside world. But as said unless you are directly kicking over the big boy's sand castles they will likly just ignore you.

[Yohannes]

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Thank you for your assistance Monavia!

You broke the fourth wall many times in the course of writing in-character prose (e.g. mentioning NS from the inside, posting links inside IC content).

That's just the way I like to write, aha. I remember Questers did say the same thing as well about not linking inside in character content. But that's just the way I like to write on NationStates unfortunately.

Same as well with the mention of NationStates Dollar. That's just the way I like to write; some say NSD (Lamoni do this too), some say USD (I used to). Nowadays, I like NSD better. Unless, of course, you mean another mention of NationStates?

I also do not understand why your transcript used ellipses in place of quotation marks in a couple of places or why Yohannesian politicians are discussing monetary amounts in terms of NSD

Thank you! I will note that down for future reference, aha

I assume that characters from the same country would discuss everything in terms of their own country’s currency.

I decided not to (I used to mention Quertz russling heaps, but uhm, I don't know why, just don't feel like doing it nowadays, aha)

Minister Kirchweger never signed her letter, and for that matter, leading protocol authorities state that people should not use “the Hono(u)rable” reflexively.

I decided not to make up a signature, because I did not want to? There was once a time when I tried to prove others by doing the extra thing (decoration stuff, some would say), but nowadays I just write for fun. For matters of small (decorative) things like signature, I generally don't bother unless I feel like it's necessary (doing it for other storytellers/roleplayers)

For more stuff on letter writing, please consult Chapter 8 of my handbook for roleplaying diplomacy and consider posting a review if you can find the time to read it.

You telegrammed me to post in your thread a long time ago [ viewtopic.php?p=32072595#p32072595 ], and I did just that. Unfortunately, you only replied to Kyrusia's post, and not mine (and a few others) [Edit: correction! My fault here, you did reply to my post, aha, but you group me up together with another player]

I will assume that you've somehow forgotten that I have posted there? Which seems like the case, otherwise you wouldn't tell me to post there (right now), when in fact I have just done that because you telegrammed me (or mass telegrammed random people maybe?), advertising that thread, back then

[ Another edit: if you have any advice/criticism/opinion on the actual content itself (economic theory, economic history, etc.) feel free to tell me! Aha ]

Once again, thank you for the advice/criticism/opinion. Thank you for your time! Aha. Sorry if I did offend you with my reply. I just say what I think.

You've returned?

I bow to you my master

Sorry, I missed your post friend. Uhm, please don't say that... feels weird dude (cause I am not actually that good, I think [ Final final edit, aha: I know personally that there are heaps of people regularly posting here that are way smarter than I am in their respective fields, i.e., Galla, Crookfur, Questers, Macabees, Monavia, Lamoni, Akasha dude, et al, so I don't want people to get the impression I am actually that good aha... especially when I am generally careless with typos and other stuff (signature! As Monavia said here) ]), aha... [ Final edit: but, uhm, thank you boss! Aha ]

[Welskerland]

You are literally looking at a city that found room

Is that a city without cars, unless it has the same exact situation as I mentioned then it doesn't really count much.

What I was originally going for was a contrast between urban and rural where the cities resemble cyberpunk metropolises in tech level and aesthetics, albeit not necessarily dystopian, while the country would also have technology, but the folks there would be a little more wary of it. Basically, I want a reason for the rural folk to still use horse and buggy, while have some PMT amenities.

[Gallia-]

Just make them Amish or something.

[Ainin]

I feel like a question about how to most realistically create a country that's half Coruscant, half Pennsylvania Dutch Country is kind of moot because such a thing could never exist except in some crazy Russian sci-fi novelist's mind.

[Gallia-]

I feel like a question about how to most realistically create a country that's half Coruscant, half Pennsylvania Dutch Country is kind of moot because such a thing could never exist except in some crazy Russian sci-fi novelist's mind.

Unfortunately you answered your own question.

But it's still basically true. There are even road signs to slow down because of horse and buggy traffic where I live, when the Mennonites aren't driving their white sedans, and I live in a real life Cyberpunk Dystopia.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Just make them Amish or something.

In 2200 there will be slightly over 200 million Amish