Worldbuilding Realism Consultation Thread Mk. 4

[Santheres]

You're an idiot.

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[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

I said that some sociologists suggested it. And I don't have a source; I don't write these things down like "oh this book says here that X" so that I can cite them later on in internet discussions. Also, I think your interpretation of the cause is incorrect.

Have you ever thought about the fact that Japan has insanely long work hours, and that nobody has time to have kids, and that might be the problem? Not anime?

I don't expect you too, but a claim like this would need to be substantiated, even if it's unreasonable for you to write it down.

That's probably why they only attributed half of the crisis to anime.

I strongly suspect most anime-obsessed shut-ins are found in the West.

Actually, hikikomori are a Japanese phenomenon.

[Gallia-]

Hikkis are so common in the West they don't have a special name.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Hikkis are so common in the West they don't have a special name.

Both of the claims in your post are untrue.

[Gallia-]

Okay.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Okay.

Most Western NEETs are not shut-ins, and as can be seen by the data for Niger this UN source is highly unreliable.

[Celritannia]

Okay.

Most Western NEETs are not shut-ins, and as can be seen by the data for Niger this UN source is highly unreliable.

It will be easier to get credible results from western countries than those in central Africa.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Okay.

Also, this does not support your original claim in any way.

[Dtn]

Hikkis are so common in the West they don't have a special name.

"Hikikomori was originally described in Japan, but cases have subsequently been reported in Oman, Spain, Italy, South Korea, Hong Kong, India, France, and the United States. Aside from case reports, surveys of psychiatrists from countries as diverse as Australia, Bangladesh, Iran, Taiwan, and Thailand suggest hikikomori cases are seen in all the countries examined, especially in urban areas."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4776119/

In reality hikikomori probably isn't a single condition - it's a socially acceptable blanket term used for a variety of disorders in a society where mental illness is stigmatized. Hikikomori aren't necessarily into anime, NEETs, or even shut-ins.

It's unlikely to be caused by anime, especially since similar phenomena like taijin kyofusho have been documented since the early 20th century.

I strongly doubt any actual sociologists have seriously linked anime with demographic decline but it's been discussed in Japanese media - of course Japanese social commentators aren't necessarily more reliable than Tucker Carlson or Oprah or whatever.

Can't remember the source, I read it in a book a while ago.

I read once that British motorists are at risk from the reckless driving of wealthy toads.

[Andrenade]

Thoughts on supersonic commercial flight for early MT+ ? I’m aware of the noise and increased logistical issues, but figured the NS world is almost always scaled to be larger, necessitating the need for quicker flight.

Is there a pressing need for same day point to point escorted carriage of documents?

Do you have businesses that absolutely require staff being able to travel transatlantic distance each way for a meeting or service visit in the same day.

Civilian supersonic flight might be feasible for a limited number of billets, but it would be a hard sell as even our current RL billionaires would rather burn thier money on space capable pens extensions rather than a faster runaround jet.

Same-day shipping? Aside from that, I can see some niche military application in the NS setting, but that's best left for a different thread.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Can't remember the source, I read it in a book a while ago.

I read once that British motorists are at risk from the reckless driving of wealthy toads.

I think you might be confusing that with The Wind in the Willows, which while a book I read many times as a child and have fond memories of is fiction.

[The Stockholm Republic]

I read once that British motorists are at risk from the reckless driving of wealthy toads.

I think you might be confusing that with The Wind in the Willows, which while a book I read many times as a child and have fond memories of is fiction.

Ha ha ha LOL

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Realistically, how could a city-state clear away the corpses of two million people (slaves killed by the Fenwick Brigade)? Thanks.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Realistically, how could a city-state clear away the corpses of two million people (slaves killed by the Fenwick Brigade)? Thanks.

You can't. You're gonna smell like Auschwitz-Birkenau for like years.

[South Reinkalistan]

Realistically, how could a city-state clear away the corpses of two million people (slaves killed by the Fenwick Brigade)? Thanks.

You can't. You're gonna smell like Auschwitz-Birkenau for like years.

^

logistically impossible to do discretely within a single city

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You can't. You're gonna smell like Auschwitz-Birkenau for like years.

^

logistically impossible to do discretely within a single city

I mean it's technically possible to just go into a city, and shoot everybody who as much as opens a door to you with your service rifle. Chaos is gonna erupt and that's gonna wreck your operation though. Better to just gather up some cattle cars and ferry them to somewhere remote.

[South Reinkalistan]

^

logistically impossible to do discretely within a single city

I mean it's technically possible to just go into a city, and shoot everybody who as much as opens a door to you with your service rifle. Chaos is gonna erupt and that's gonna wreck your operation though. Better to just gather up some cattle cars and ferry them to somewhere remote.

yes though i don't know how you can roleplay that tastefully and in good faith -- but from a realism perspective, it's impossible to commit genocide on a population of millions without anyone noticing (especially with modern satellite tech), as well as clean up the corpses to any economical degree

[Bears Armed]

Offer them to McRonalds as raw material, free as long as they're promptly collected...

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

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logistically impossible to do discretely within a single city

I mean it's technically possible to just go into a city, and shoot everybody who as much as opens a door to you with your service rifle. Chaos is gonna erupt and that's gonna wreck your operation though. Better to just gather up some cattle cars and ferry them to somewhere remote.

The people doing the killing were in complete control of the city, and faced no civilian opposition thanks to gun control. So I think it is realistically plausible.

Realistically, how could a city-state clear away the corpses of two million people (slaves killed by the Fenwick Brigade)? Thanks.

You can't. You're gonna smell like Auschwitz-Birkenau for like years.

How would the smell stick around for years? What if (the city-state is on an island) they had freighters come to collect the bodies?

[The Stockholm Republic]

I mean it's technically possible to just go into a city, and shoot everybody who as much as opens a door to you with your service rifle. Chaos is gonna erupt and that's gonna wreck your operation though. Better to just gather up some cattle cars and ferry them to somewhere remote.

The people doing the killing were in complete control of the city, and faced no civilian opposition thanks to gun control. So I think it is realistically plausible.

You can't. You're gonna smell like Auschwitz-Birkenau for like years.

How would the smell stick around for years? What if (the city-state is on an island) they had freighters come to collect the bodies?

How can they pay for freighters? your guy took all the money.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

The people doing the killing were in complete control of the city, and faced no civilian opposition thanks to gun control. So I think it is realistically plausible.


How would the smell stick around for years? What if (the city-state is on an island) they had freighters come to collect the bodies?

How can they pay for freighters? your guy took all the money.

Maybe the freighters would do it for free.

[Allanea]

The weirdest thing, really, is that the Fenwick Brigade succeeded in murdering 2 million people overnight.

But yeah.

When a person dies, typically an extensive cleanup is required of the room they died in unless it's in a hospital [where they have the ability to just rapidly clean rooms so on because everything is set up to be easily cleaned].

To rapidly process two million dead people (Assuming they all somehow died within a night) before they start to rot is incredibly difficult and would require literally hundreds of thousands of people professionally trained for the purpose to work on it.

If they had already begun to decompose, the rooms they died in will be soaked with all manner of unsavory fluids beyond what happens when a person just dies and is immediately carted off.

Even the Nazis - who, I remind you, did not kill off the victims of Auschwitz at once, and had specialized cremation machines on site - had severe problems with disposing of their bodies (to the grim point that you you had to wash any strawberries collected near the camp very thoroughly - people-ashes were settling on them).

For scope: to dispose of two million bodies overnight would require about 3,000 cremation complexes of the size used at Buchenwald. The largest cremation oven designed by Nazi Germany - and never built - had a capacity of about 10,000 corpses per shift. This was an enormous thing the size of a three-story building.

For the Fenwicks it gets worse because they did not kill all those people in one room or in one place but they had actually gone about the city somehow murdering all those dudes at their individual addresses (let's ignore, momentarily, how they managed to accomplish this - for the sake of my sanity let's assume that they somehow did). So really the bottleneck is to get all of those people out of the places they were killed in and onto some kind of trucks or whatnot and then onto the ships.

This would take many days, would be extremely labor-consuming, and would absolutely certainly cause an environmental disaster at the place you disposed the bodies, and would likely mean that the capital will reek of murder for weeks to come at best - and at worst for years.

Do a marvel for property values, that.

[Bereia]

Do a marvel for property values, that.

No shit.

Referencing your post as a whole, I am reminded of an old BBC program I saw years ago which detailed how Her Majesty's Government planned to handle all-out global nuclear war and its immediate aftermath, including huge numbers of dead bodies in urban centers which had likely already seen their normal hospitals and morgues and such overwhelmed.

In short, one aspect of the plan was to have parties of soldiers and emergency workers dig shallow pits into which corpses would be placed, interspersed with steel girders to help keep lots of air flow going. Gasoline or some other accelerant would be used where available, and 24/7 corpse disposal details would feed fuel, which is to say the remains of the dead, in to huge funeral pyres which would be kept going at all hours until there were no more corpses, or until something else made continued operations impossible.

I don't know if the government responsible in this case would go for something like this, as while it would be fast, it lacks even a pretense of respect for the departed, and it is largely intended as an emergency measure for a nation engulfed in nuclear conflict. Don't even get me started on the environmental concerns, or the psychological impact on those involved.

I strongly encourage the use of something more clean and respectful, even if it takes longer and costs more financially.

[Allanea]

Having people who are essentially terrorists murder two million innocents should in a reasoanble world should be viewed in a similar light.

[Bereia]

Having people who are essentially terrorists murder two million innocents should in a reasoanble world should be viewed in a similar light.

True. Hence this.

I strongly encourage the use of something more clean and respectful, even if it takes longer and costs more financially.

There is something to be said for striving to maintain one's humanity, especially in difficult circumstances. I strongly recommend the afflicted nation go out of their way to respect the human dignity of those lost, and to impress upon their populace that any distress or strain caused by laying so many to rest in so difficult a situation is purely the fault of the terrorists.