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Dtn
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Founded: Apr 05, 2021
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Dtn » Thu May 13, 2021 2:42 pm

Ideal Britain wrote:
1) Personally ordered the arrest of a political opponent with no actual evidence.


There was intelligence of a terror plot that would have killed the PM (the man ordering the arrest) if carried out. Given the MI5 undercover operation, evidence was likely but none came up so he was released.
Arrest only requires reasonable suspicion under British law and he was treated well.

2) Ordered the Army and Royal Navy to occupy Newcastle due to a minor civil disturbance.

The "minor" civil disturbance was terror-related. The government sent troops in because the police were not fit to deal with the disturbance (like how the Northern Ireland thing begun).
This followed the guidelines surrounding military aid to civil power.
Imagine the political, human and law and order fallout if the police officers had been beaten to death and a terrorist released.


Right. I mean you could argue with someone who studied English criminal law about what constitutes "reasonable suspicion" (hint: it's not a phone call from the PM) but again you're missing the point.

Khan personally orders the arrest of this guy, orders his release, tries to form a political coalition with him that would destroy the UK, then challenges him to an MMA match. All within a few days.

This is a political roleplay. Any one of these bizarre actions would have enormous political repercussions that are completely ignored. Khan strolls around unilaterally raising pay and building steel mills, raising his support by 3.7% percent or whatever. There are no real consequences to his actions. There's no drama. It's boring. You realize this. You fix it by concentrating on the story rather than asking incessant questions about nonsensical details.
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Madrinpoor
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Madrinpoor » Thu May 13, 2021 4:58 pm

Kedri wrote:I'm trying to come up with the ideology for the opposition party in Kedri.

The ruling party is based on classical liberalism, but includes minarchists and an-caps.

Obviously, the opposing party should be the polar opposite, but I'm wondering what ideology specifically. There's Christian democracy, but most Kedrians aren't religious beyond a vague spiritual way. I'm considering perhaps a labor or Green Party. Or perhaps an a general authoritarian party that's socially conservative but fairly moderate to left wing on fiscal issues, and a dose of patriotic fervor.

Sorry I'm pretty late, but here are a couple thoughts I had.

  • Socialist/Labor party. I saw you had this idea, and I think it's a great opposition party, because economically they would differ but socially they would agree.
  • Nationalist party. Similar to a Socialist/Labor party, but socially more different, and a better bogeyman for the classic liberals to attack and vice versa. Maybe more Fidesz/Bolsonaro/PiS-esque with authoritarian elements ahead of ideological ones, though an RN/AfD/Tea Party-esque ideological one could work too. I find the former is generally more present in poorer/more unstable middle income countries and have a greater shot at taking power (all three lead their respective countries), while the latter are present in richer and stabler countries but have virtually no power.
  • Conservative party. Maybe not the biggest opponents to the classic liberal party, and can bipartisanly work on some things, but should be opposed enough to make things interesting.
  • Green party. Probably won't be very strong (unless you're Germany) and will be able to agree with the classic liberals a lot, so maybe they'd be in a governing coalition, but a thorn-in-the-side member that keeps pushing for things they want.
  • Straight-up Communists. Communist parties are still present in quite a lot of democracies, even though they're rarely very powerful. For instance, Japan has a relatively prominent Communist party. They'd probably disagree with the classic liberals on almost anything.

Hope this helped!
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Ideal Britain
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Ideal Britain » Fri May 14, 2021 8:04 am

Dtn wrote:
Ideal Britain wrote:
There was intelligence of a terror plot that would have killed the PM (the man ordering the arrest) if carried out. Given the MI5 undercover operation, evidence was likely but none came up so he was released.
Arrest only requires reasonable suspicion under British law and he was treated well.


The "minor" civil disturbance was terror-related. The government sent troops in because the police were not fit to deal with the disturbance (like how the Northern Ireland thing begun).
This followed the guidelines surrounding military aid to civil power.
Imagine the political, human and law and order fallout if the police officers had been beaten to death and a terrorist released.


Right. I mean you could argue with someone who studied English criminal law about what constitutes "reasonable suspicion" (hint: it's not a phone call from the PM) but again you're missing the point.

Khan personally orders the arrest of this guy, orders his release, tries to form a political coalition with him that would destroy the UK, then challenges him to an MMA match. All within a few days.

This is a political roleplay. Any one of these bizarre actions would have enormous political repercussions that are completely ignored. Khan strolls around unilaterally raising pay and building steel mills, raising his support by 3.7% percent or whatever. There are no real consequences to his actions. There's no drama. It's boring. You realize this. You fix it by concentrating on the story rather than asking incessant questions about nonsensical details.


The coalition thing and MMA fight were ridiculous. I retconned them.
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Prime Minister: Dan Jarvis MBE MP

Monarch: King William VI
Year: 2021

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Ideal Britain
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Ideal Britain » Fri May 14, 2021 8:05 am

Dtn wrote:
Ideal Britain wrote:
There was intelligence of a terror plot that would have killed the PM (the man ordering the arrest) if carried out. Given the MI5 undercover operation, evidence was likely but none came up so he was released.
Arrest only requires reasonable suspicion under British law and he was treated well.


The "minor" civil disturbance was terror-related. The government sent troops in because the police were not fit to deal with the disturbance (like how the Northern Ireland thing begun).
This followed the guidelines surrounding military aid to civil power.
Imagine the political, human and law and order fallout if the police officers had been beaten to death and a terrorist released.


Right. I mean you could argue with someone who studied English criminal law about what constitutes "reasonable suspicion" (hint: it's not a phone call from the PM) but again you're missing the point.

Khan personally orders the arrest of this guy, orders his release, tries to form a political coalition with him that would destroy the UK, then challenges him to an MMA match. All within a few days.

This is a political roleplay. Any one of these bizarre actions would have enormous political repercussions that are completely ignored. Khan strolls around unilaterally raising pay and building steel mills, raising his support by 3.7% percent or whatever. There are no real consequences to his actions. There's no drama. It's boring. You realize this. You fix it by concentrating on the story rather than asking incessant questions about nonsensical details.

Drama is building up, you'll see. But I can tell you're bored so I will stop talking about this.
An MT alt-history Britain.

Prime Minister: Dan Jarvis MBE MP

Monarch: King William VI
Year: 2021

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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Dtn » Sun May 16, 2021 12:16 am

Ideal Britain wrote:
Dtn wrote:
Right. I mean you could argue with someone who studied English criminal law about what constitutes "reasonable suspicion" (hint: it's not a phone call from the PM) but again you're missing the point.

Khan personally orders the arrest of this guy, orders his release, tries to form a political coalition with him that would destroy the UK, then challenges him to an MMA match. All within a few days.

This is a political roleplay. Any one of these bizarre actions would have enormous political repercussions that are completely ignored. Khan strolls around unilaterally raising pay and building steel mills, raising his support by 3.7% percent or whatever. There are no real consequences to his actions. There's no drama. It's boring. You realize this. You fix it by concentrating on the story rather than asking incessant questions about nonsensical details.


The coalition thing and MMA fight were ridiculous. I retconned them.


Why? This prime minister has, again, personally ordered the arrest of a political opponent for conspiracy to commit murder based on nothing more than a private conversation with a spy. He's used the quite understandable protests against this as a pretext to occupy a region likely to vote against him, intimidating members of another political party with military forces including his own son. He's then released the political opponent due to lack of evidence, completely vindicating the protests. Nobody in the country is going to care about his plans for dental care. They're all going to be talking about how the Prime Minister is the most tyrannical buffoon in modern British history. Until Tony Blair gets shot, then NOBODY will be talking about anything but how this tyrannical buffoon's security guards killed Tony Blair! Your character hasn't even mentioned any of these utterly politically devastating events in his public statements. He's going around in a Navy uniform talking about some mundane platform and "courting" girls like a total bellend.

If your intention is to portray this guy as a tyrannical buffoon, then why retcon anything? If it's not why is he doing any of this?
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