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Would it be realistic for the British prime minister to continue campaigning if an election was going to be held the following day and at an event where they were in attendance one of their predecessor (Tony Blair) had accidentally been shot in an accident? Thanks.

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Postby Celritannia » Tue May 11, 2021 1:17 pm

Nationalist Northumbria wrote:Would it be realistic for the British prime minister to continue campaigning if an election was going to be held the following day and at an event where they were in attendance one of their predecessor (Tony Blair) had accidentally been shot in an accident? Thanks.


If it is an actual declaration of war, then it probably would be a National Government. See Churchill War Ministry.

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Postby Nationalist Northumbria » Tue May 11, 2021 3:58 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:Would it be realistic for the British prime minister to continue campaigning if an election was going to be held the following day and at an event where they were in attendance one of their predecessor (Tony Blair) had accidentally been shot in an accident? Thanks.


If it is an actual declaration of war, then it probably would be a National Government. See Churchill War Ministry.

No, he was shot in an accident. He arrived late, his car burst through the barriers, and a marksman fired thinking it was an assassination attempt (and not knowing it was Tony Blair) on the current prime minister.

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Why would the former PM's car drive through a barrier instead of having it opened? Why/How would a marksman shoot the man in the back and not the driver. How/Why would the marksman not recognize the ex-PM.
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Postby Dtn » Tue May 11, 2021 8:25 pm

The Corparation wrote:Why would the former PM's car drive through a barrier instead of having it opened? Why/How would a marksman shoot the man in the back and not the driver. How/Why would the marksman not recognize the ex-PM.


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Postby Celritannia » Wed May 12, 2021 1:10 am

Nationalist Northumbria wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
If it is an actual declaration of war, then it probably would be a National Government. See Churchill War Ministry.

No, he was shot in an accident. He arrived late, his car burst through the barriers, and a marksman fired thinking it was an assassination attempt (and not knowing it was Tony Blair) on the current prime minister.


There would not be an election during a national emergency, not unless PArliament is scheduled for an election.
An interim leader would take over (more than likely, the First Secretary of State). An internal Party election would then be held, but mainly to confirm the FSoS as the new PM.

In the UK, elections are not held to replace a PM. The only time that occurs is a Vote of No Confidence.

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Postby Ideal Britain » Wed May 12, 2021 7:57 am

Celritannia wrote:
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:No, he was shot in an accident. He arrived late, his car burst through the barriers, and a marksman fired thinking it was an assassination attempt (and not knowing it was Tony Blair) on the current prime minister.


There would not be an election during a national emergency, not unless PArliament is scheduled for an election.
An interim leader would take over (more than likely, the First Secretary of State). An internal Party election would then be held, but mainly to confirm the FSoS as the new PM.

In the UK, elections are not held to replace a PM. The only time that occurs is a Vote of No Confidence.

Normally the PM is the leader of the party that wins.
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Postby Celritannia » Wed May 12, 2021 8:26 am

Ideal Britain wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
There would not be an election during a national emergency, not unless PArliament is scheduled for an election.
An interim leader would take over (more than likely, the First Secretary of State). An internal Party election would then be held, but mainly to confirm the FSoS as the new PM.

In the UK, elections are not held to replace a PM. The only time that occurs is a Vote of No Confidence.

Normally the PM is the leader of the party that wins.


Yes, however, if the PM is killed or incapacitated, then an election will not be called. There was no election when Tony Blair, Devid Cameron, or Theresa May stepped down. They were internal party elections. And there was no election when Spencer Percival was accidentally shot.
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Postby Ideal Britain » Wed May 12, 2021 8:44 am

Celritannia wrote:
Ideal Britain wrote:Normally the PM is the leader of the party that wins.


Yes, however, if the PM is killed or incapacitated, then an election will not be called. There was no election when Tony Blair, Devid Cameron, or Theresa May stepped down. They were internal party elections. And there was no election when Spencer Percival was accidentally shot.

In this scenario they were shot the day before the election, an Counter-Terrorism Command operation gone wrong
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Postby Celritannia » Wed May 12, 2021 9:32 am

Ideal Britain wrote:
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Yes, however, if the PM is killed or incapacitated, then an election will not be called. There was no election when Tony Blair, Devid Cameron, or Theresa May stepped down. They were internal party elections. And there was no election when Spencer Percival was accidentally shot.

In this scenario they were shot the day before the election, an Counter-Terrorism Command operation gone wrong


Yes, Isaw. and that would be unlikely, considering how well protected a Prime Minister is.

If that's the case, I'd imagine either all parties call for a national emergency and postpone the election, or the deputy leader of the party assumes control. The PM's constituency will have to hold a by-election, but I'd imagine no other party will stand as a sign of respect (unless your a dickish party) like what happened with Jo Cox.

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Postby Ideal Britain » Wed May 12, 2021 9:35 am

Celritannia wrote:
Ideal Britain wrote:In this scenario they were shot the day before the election, an Counter-Terrorism Command operation gone wrong


Yes, Isaw. and that would be unlikely, considering how well protected a Prime Minister is.

If that's the case, I'd imagine either all parties call for a national emergency and postpone the election, or the deputy leader of the party assumes control. The PM's constituency will have to hold a by-election, but I'd imagine no other party will stand as a sign of respect (unless your a dickish party) like what happened with Jo Cox.

It's an ex-Prime Minister that was killed. He had stepped down years before being killed.
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Postby Celritannia » Wed May 12, 2021 9:40 am

Ideal Britain wrote:
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Yes, Isaw. and that would be unlikely, considering how well protected a Prime Minister is.

If that's the case, I'd imagine either all parties call for a national emergency and postpone the election, or the deputy leader of the party assumes control. The PM's constituency will have to hold a by-election, but I'd imagine no other party will stand as a sign of respect (unless your a dickish party) like what happened with Jo Cox.

It's an ex-Prime Minister that was killed. He had stepped down years before being killed.


Okay...so why is the question being asked about what would happen if the PM dies before an election?

Even then, former PMs do get some sort of protection, especially during a national crisis.
It really is;t that well thought out at all.
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Postby Crookfur » Wed May 12, 2021 9:45 am

Obviously the general election goes ahead andcresults in a minority coalition government lead by the greens and reinvigorated natural law party. The formal coalition maintains Co troll in Parliament by means of informal agreements with the lib dems and the whigs.

Celritannia: it was never about the pm being attacked but apparently Tony Blair and his protection detail going mad and getting Blair shot whilst attempting to attend the current pm's campaigning event on the eve of the election...
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Postby Dtn » Wed May 12, 2021 10:07 am

In reality a former prime minister would be driven by a Protection Command officer who would probably inform the Protection Command officers guarding the current prime minister they were running late.

More likely a former prime minister and a prime minister campaigning together would travel together.

The amazing thing is that Tony Blair being shot in the head after running a barricade for inexplicable reasons is one of the most plausible episodes in this RP, which comes across as House of Cards by the writers of Mr. Bean.

In anything resembling reality, campaigning would effectively cease because the prime minister and his staff would be occupied dealing with one of the most sensational and embarrassing cock-ups in British political history, security measures would have to be put under intense review, etc, etc.

In Ideal Britain it's just a normal day so who knows.
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Postby Ideal Britain » Wed May 12, 2021 10:13 am

Dtn wrote:In reality a former prime minister would be driven by a Protection Command officer who would probably inform the Protection Command officers guarding the current prime minister they were running late.

More likely a former prime minister and a prime minister campaigning together would travel together.

The amazing thing is that Tony Blair being shot in the head after running a barricade for inexplicable reasons is one of the most plausible episodes in this RP, which comes across as House of Cards by the writers of Mr. Bean.

What's implausible about it (in the context of a world where Britain didn't invade Iraq and there was no 7/7 bombings)?
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Postby Dtn » Wed May 12, 2021 12:01 pm

Everything.

This prime minister has:

1) Personally ordered the arrest of a political opponent with no actual evidence.
2) Ordered the Army and Royal Navy to occupy Newcastle due to a minor civil disturbance.
3) Advertised for a virginal bigamous wife during an election.
4) Had a former prime minister accidentally shot in the head during a campaign event.

And he's walking around in a Royal Navy uniform talking about vocational colleges.

Even Nationalist Northumbria realizes that these events would cause an enormous scandal with massive repercussions during a political campaign, yet they're resolved in a sentence or two and Khan goes back to talking about dental plans.

The entire scenario betrays such a shocking ignorance of British law (constitutional and procedural), politics, culture, and basic human nature that you might as well ask what about Axe Cop is implausible.

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I'm trying to come up with the ideology for the opposition party in Kedri.

The ruling party is based on classical liberalism, but includes minarchists and an-caps.

Obviously, the opposing party should be the polar opposite, but I'm wondering what ideology specifically. There's Christian democracy, but most Kedrians aren't religious beyond a vague spiritual way. I'm considering perhaps a labor or Green Party. Or perhaps an a general authoritarian party that's socially conservative but fairly moderate to left wing on fiscal issues, and a dose of patriotic fervor.
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Postby Ideal Britain » Thu May 13, 2021 12:09 pm

Dtn wrote:Everything.

This prime minister has:

1) Personally ordered the arrest of a political opponent with no actual evidence.
2) Ordered the Army and Royal Navy to occupy Newcastle due to a minor civil disturbance.
3) Advertised for a virginal bigamous wife during an election.
4) Had a former prime minister accidentally shot in the head during a campaign event.

And he's walking around in a Royal Navy uniform talking about vocational colleges.

Even Nationalist Northumbria realizes that these events would cause an enormous scandal with massive repercussions during a political campaign, yet they're resolved in a sentence or two and Khan goes back to talking about dental plans.

The entire scenario betrays such a shocking ignorance of British law (constitutional and procedural), politics, culture, and basic human nature that you might as well ask what about Axe Cop is implausible.


I will address these in due but only the wife one (and maybe the former PM one) is implausible.
Does Tony Blair have police bodyguards in 2021?
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Postby Ideal Britain » Thu May 13, 2021 12:09 pm

Dtn wrote:Everything.

This prime minister has:

1) Personally ordered the arrest of a political opponent with no actual evidence.
2) Ordered the Army and Royal Navy to occupy Newcastle due to a minor civil disturbance.
3) Advertised for a virginal bigamous wife during an election.
4) Had a former prime minister accidentally shot in the head during a campaign event.

And he's walking around in a Royal Navy uniform talking about vocational colleges.

Even Nationalist Northumbria realizes that these events would cause an enormous scandal with massive repercussions during a political campaign, yet they're resolved in a sentence or two and Khan goes back to talking about dental plans.

The entire scenario betrays such a shocking ignorance of British law (constitutional and procedural), politics, culture, and basic human nature that you might as well ask what about Axe Cop is implausible.


I will address these in due but only the wife one (and maybe the former PM one) is implausible.
Does Tony Blair have police bodyguards in 2021?
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Postby Ideal Britain » Thu May 13, 2021 12:18 pm

Gallia- wrote:We could only hope that Bojo would have announced the arrest of Sadiq Khan for no specific crime and install Nigel Farage as the mayor or something.

It's not "No specific crime" and Labour are not appointing unelected yet powerful mayors. Are you actually fully literate?
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Postby Gallia- » Thu May 13, 2021 12:19 pm

Ideal Britain wrote:
Gallia- wrote:We could only hope that Bojo would have announced the arrest of Sadiq Khan for no specific crime and install Nigel Farage as the mayor or something.

It's not "No specific crime" and Labour are not appointing unelected yet powerful mayors. Are you actually fully literate?


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Postby Dtn » Thu May 13, 2021 12:33 pm

Ideal Britain wrote:
Dtn wrote:Everything.

This prime minister has:

1) Personally ordered the arrest of a political opponent with no actual evidence.
2) Ordered the Army and Royal Navy to occupy Newcastle due to a minor civil disturbance.
3) Advertised for a virginal bigamous wife during an election.
4) Had a former prime minister accidentally shot in the head during a campaign event.

And he's walking around in a Royal Navy uniform talking about vocational colleges.

Even Nationalist Northumbria realizes that these events would cause an enormous scandal with massive repercussions during a political campaign, yet they're resolved in a sentence or two and Khan goes back to talking about dental plans.

The entire scenario betrays such a shocking ignorance of British law (constitutional and procedural), politics, culture, and basic human nature that you might as well ask what about Axe Cop is implausible.


I will address these in due but only the wife one (and maybe the former PM one) is implausible.
Does Tony Blair have police bodyguards in 2021?


Please don't. The niggling details don't matter, and you're missing the point entirely. It doesn't matter that these events are implausible as much as the way people react to them.

Even you've correctly concluded the story is boring. It's boring because there's no drama - it's just people reacting in silly ways to silly situations in a few sentences or less. Silly is fine for absurdist comedy but absurdist comedy has to have wit.

Have you considered investing the time you currently spend asking increasingly inane questions in reading or even watching television?
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Postby Ideal Britain » Thu May 13, 2021 1:46 pm

1) Personally ordered the arrest of a political opponent with no actual evidence.


There was intelligence of a terror plot that would have killed the PM (the man ordering the arrest) if carried out. Given the MI5 undercover operation, evidence was likely but none came up so he was released.
Arrest only requires reasonable suspicion under British law and he was treated well.

2) Ordered the Army and Royal Navy to occupy Newcastle due to a minor civil disturbance.

The "minor" civil disturbance was terror-related. The government sent troops in because the police were not fit to deal with the disturbance (like how the Northern Ireland thing begun).
This followed the guidelines surrounding military aid to civil power.
Imagine the political, human and law and order fallout if the police officers had been beaten to death and a terrorist released.
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Monarch: Queen Elizabeth II
Year: 2021

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