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Postby Austrasien » Sat Feb 13, 2021 8:12 am

Kouralia wrote:Severity of punishment does not deter offending. Principally the likelihood of being caught and being afforded that punishment deters that offending - in a rational offender.


That doesn't actually make any sense - an offender can weigh the odds of being caught and of being punished but they can't assign any weight to punishment at all? If we took this completely seriously, you would be saying that holding the possibility of being caught and sentenced equal, it would have exactly the same effect if the sentence was one spank on their bottom by their mother with an open hand or being thrown into a vat of acid along with their entire family to two generations and two degrees.

It would seem to me (and most people I think) the risk calculation must go something like: (Lc*Lp)*Sp, where Lc and Lp are some value between 0 and 1 and Sp is an arbitrary value according to the perceived severity of punishment. If Lc and Lp are very low then yes it would follow that the value of Sp would not be hugely important, [and really the calculation is probably non-linear with sufficiently low values vanishing to beneath consideration and sufficiently high values exploding to infinity aka certainty] but it doesn't rule out that Sp would matter at all.

Though this isn't impossible it implies a very odd way of assessing risks and rewards and much more likely I think anyone who argues for that construction is making implicit assumptions about the way offenders assess the consequences of being caught, sentenced and punished (like the stigma of being a convict, if we assume that is significant the weight of the punishment will be much less dependent on the nominal severity of the sentence) which are not justified for a general understanding as opposed to a particular one.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:43 am

Is marriage with families from different continents a good way to ensure a broad gene pool?

(Amongst Sharifistani nobles marrying individuals of lower classes is frowned upon but not of other races, provided they are Muslims or at least people of the book)
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Postby Austrasien » Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:54 pm

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Is marriage with families from different continents a good way to ensure a broad gene pool?

(Amongst Sharifistani nobles marrying individuals of lower classes is frowned upon but not of other races, provided they are Muslims or at least people of the book)


This isn't something worth worrying about either way. Unless your population is comically small (about 500 or less).

https://www.britannica.com/science/mini ... population
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:35 pm

Austrasien wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Is marriage with families from different continents a good way to ensure a broad gene pool?

(Amongst Sharifistani nobles marrying individuals of lower classes is frowned upon but not of other races, provided they are Muslims or at least people of the book)


This isn't something worth worrying about either way. Unless your population is comically small (about 500 or less).

https://www.britannica.com/science/mini ... population

Then how come hameophillia was common amongst European nobles due to a narrow gene pool?
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Postby Husseinarti » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:40 pm

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Austrasien wrote:
This isn't something worth worrying about either way. Unless your population is comically small (about 500 or less).

https://www.britannica.com/science/mini ... population

Then how come hameophillia was common amongst European nobles due to a narrow gene pool?


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Postby Allanea » Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:21 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Austrasien wrote:
This isn't something worth worrying about either way. Unless your population is comically small (about 500 or less).

https://www.britannica.com/science/mini ... population

Then how come hameophillia was common amongst European nobles due to a narrow gene pool?


Was it? As I understand it, it was specifically common among the really really narrow subgroup of 'literally European Royals related to Queen Victoria'. It's nothing to do - in this particular case - with incest but with the way haemophilia transmits genetically: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haemophil ... an_royalty

European nobility was a vast group of millions of people (3-4 million in 18th century Europe). You might have some kind of silly genetic problems if your royals intermarry only within their line but other than that you're in the clear.
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:59 am

Allanea wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Then how come hameophillia was common amongst European nobles due to a narrow gene pool?


Was it? As I understand it, it was specifically common among the really really narrow subgroup of 'literally European Royals related to Queen Victoria'. It's nothing to do - in this particular case - with incest but with the way haemophilia transmits genetically: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haemophil ... an_royalty

European nobility was a vast group of millions of people (3-4 million in 18th century Europe). You might have some kind of silly genetic problems if your royals intermarry only within their line but other than that you're in the clear.

Case in point: King Charles II of Spain.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:50 am

Gallia- wrote:More like first cousin, but second cousins are basically genetic strangers, and third cousins literally are.

Ok. Second cousin marriages are all over the place in Sharifistan but first cousin marriages are limited to minor nobles and peasants in very rural places.
2nd and 3rd cousin marriages are unremarked upon.
Inter-racial marriages are ok but interfaith or inter-class marriages raise eyebrows amongst conservative Sharifistanis.
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Postby Miku the Based » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:28 am

why do people like bitter and spicy foods if human evolved taste buds to single such food as inedible or poisonous.
I heard contradictory article on this topic where they proclaim botter foods are heathy and the next paragraph explains that bitter plants are considered poisonous from a evolutionary standpoint.
People could legitimately market sickening substances as having medicinal properties despite it being a toxin due to this mental disconnect. Why are some good foods for humans bitter and not sweet?
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Postby Gallia- » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:38 am

Miku the Based wrote:People could legitimately market sickening substances as having medicinal properties despite it being a toxin due to this mental disconnect.


Yes that's like the entire "supplements" industry lol.

Miku the Based wrote:Why are some good foods for humans bitter and not sweet?


Just because something is bitter or sweet doesn't make it bad, or good, or whatever.

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Postby Triplebaconation » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:02 pm

Because taste is actually a complex interaction of genetics, culture, and psychology.

Gallia- wrote:
Miku the Based wrote:People could legitimately market sickening substances as having medicinal properties despite it being a toxin due to this mental disconnect.


Yes that's like the entire "supplements" industry lol.


A medicine would be fairly useless if it wasn't a toxin.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:00 pm

Would these police uniforms be impractical for patrolmen or patrolwomen?:

Male
-Bulletproof vest with a badge and serial number over a Thawb
-Fez
-Turkish salvar trousers


Female
-Jilbāb with a badge and serial number over a bulletproof vest
-Headscarf
-Turkish salvar trousers
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Postby Austrasien » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:10 pm

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Would these police uniforms be impractical for patrolmen or patrolwomen?:

Male
-Bulletproof vest with a badge and serial number over a Thawb
-Fez
-Turkish salvar trousers


Female
-Jilbāb with a badge and serial number over a bulletproof vest
-Headscarf
-Turkish salvar trousers


How long is a Jilbāb?
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Postby Dayganistan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:14 pm

Austrasien wrote:
How long is a Jilbāb?

Based on Google images results it's a floor length dress. Completely impractical for any sort of frontline policing.

By the way, here you can see police uniforms from a real world conservative Islamic country, in this case Pakistan. Notice how the female cops have longer shirts, but aren't wearing something that would interfere with their ability to chase after suspects or engage in a gun fight. I saw some pictures of Dubai policewomen with long dresses but 100% those are ceremonial uniforms and not for frontline policing.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:14 pm

Austrasien wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Would these police uniforms be impractical for patrolmen or patrolwomen?:

Male
-Bulletproof vest with a badge and serial number over a Thawb
-Fez
-Turkish salvar trousers


Female
-Jilbāb with a badge and serial number over a bulletproof vest
-Headscarf
-Turkish salvar trousers


How long is a Jilbāb?

In this scenario it's like a coat.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:16 pm

Dayganistan wrote:
Austrasien wrote:
How long is a Jilbāb?

Based on Google images results it's a floor length dress. Completely impractical for any sort of frontline policing.

By the way, here you can see police uniforms from a real world conservative Islamic country, in this case Pakistan. I saw some pictures of Dubai policewomen with long dresses but 100% those are ceremonial uniforms and not for frontline policing.

In this case I mean "a type of outer garment that looks like a long raincoat or trenchcoat."

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_ ... e%20,below)%20%20...%20%2023%20more%20rows
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:18 pm

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Dayganistan wrote:Based on Google images results it's a floor length dress. Completely impractical for any sort of frontline policing.

By the way, here you can see police uniforms from a real world conservative Islamic country, in this case Pakistan. I saw some pictures of Dubai policewomen with long dresses but 100% those are ceremonial uniforms and not for frontline policing.

In this case I mean "a type of outer garment that looks like a long raincoat or trenchcoat."

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_ ... e%20,below)%20%20...%20%2023%20more%20rows

Would that be practical?
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Postby Austrasien » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:22 pm

Anything which goes past the knees is very questionable.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:25 pm

Austrasien wrote:Anything which goes past the knees is very questionable.

It doesn't. It covers the thighs and then the Turkish salvar covers the knees.

Thanks for your answer
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Postby People republie of alaska » Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:55 pm

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:42 pm

Please for the sake of Allah stop triple posting.

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Postby Miku the Based » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:03 pm

What's the entire process of treating sewage and what resources is needed to do so with a population of 600 million plus people?
How much carrots need to be grown to keep a stable supply of vitamin A of said 6 million people?
How viable is lab grown meat? Ike much resources does it take in comparison to animal husbandry and meat packaging plants?
How do you prevent deaths from another March 2011 tsunami from occuring again? Consider that my population lives underground with underground rail network.
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Postby Latorik » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:07 pm

Miku the Based wrote:What's the entire process of treating sewage and what resources is needed to do so with a population of 600 million plus people?
How much carrots need to be grown to keep a stable supply of vitamin A of said 6 million people?
How viable is lab grown meat? Ike much resources does it take in comparison to animal husbandry and meat packaging plants?
How do you prevent deaths from another March 2011 tsunami from occuring again? Consider that my population lives underground with underground rail network.

lab grown meat as it is atm is currently ineffective and far too expensive for mass production

if your nation is somewhere in the near future you could probably get away with it since the groundwork for the technology is already there

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