Worldbuilding Realism Consultation Thread Mk. 4

[Izukyu]

US police violence levels are perfectly in line with what would be expected given the level of violent crime in the country. It appears in every way to be a dependent variable - while actual incidences of violent crime appear to be the independent variable. So there is nothing to explain in terms of any characteristic of American police or policing. Of course, when there is nothing to explain any explanation can be made to fit.

Which underlines my point that we shouldn't be giving one size fits all answers to this.

Except... that's precisely opposite your point. A graph showing that US police act in accordance with a more or less universal trend of police violence shows that the US is not some kind of crazy outlier that should just be disregarded because it's so outside the norm.

I'm also not seeing how anyone is giving one size fits all answers to this issue. No one, as far as I can see - sans deliberate hyperbole - is seriously saying that all cops should be acting like soliders in a "normal" first world nation.

[Triplebaconation]

That graph shows the reason for the recent civil unrest perfectly.

[Gallia-]

The real question is why does the USA have such a high homicide rate relative to other "developed"/OECD economies, and how do you reduce it, or even if you can, TBH.

[Austrasien]

The real question is why does the USA have such a high homicide rate relative to other "developed"/OECD economies, and how do you reduce it, or even if you can, TBH.

World's most heavily armed black African population is probably a significant part of the equation.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Would protectiveness of women (more than men)
Increase the percentage of the population that is female (due to women being less likely to get killed)?

[Izukyu]

Would protectiveness of women (more than men)
Increase the percentage of the population that is female (due to women being less likely to get killed)?

I feel like you keep asking questions that have no solid answer, or are just looking for confirmation of your own hypotheses about your society.

You could dedicate an entire university sociology/anthropology department to seeking answers to these questions and you still probably wouldn't get much of an answer besides some inconclusive studies and a lot of researchers telling you "well, it's complicated..."

[Gallia-]

that's probably because you put sociologists in charge of it gottem

[Izukyu]

that's probably because you put sociologists in charge of it gottem

Sort of like how anthropologists exist for the singular reason of creating more anthropologists.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Due to a number of cultural factors
(Both protectiveness of women and patriarchy)
Far more men than women are in the Armed forces, work on oil rigs and factory-work.
Due to conscription most men spend time in the Army.
The infantry is also literally all male.
Would this lead to more women than men?
(Due to men dying of overwork, industrial accidents and war)

[Gallia-]

if youre dying of "overwork" in the infantry youre pretty weak ngl

like lmao just drink a gatorade

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Tfw infantry karoshi...
Do you like... not feed your populace or what? Are you Somalia in 1993?

[Izukyu]

I, too, am curious about conditions which lead people to be dying en masse from "overwork." Like what

[Purpelia]

Except... that's precisely opposite your point. A graph showing that US police act in accordance with a more or less universal trend of police violence shows that the US is not some kind of crazy outlier that should just be disregarded because it's so outside the norm.

I'm also not seeing how anyone is giving one size fits all answers to this issue. No one, as far as I can see - sans deliberate hyperbole - is seriously saying that all cops should be acting like soliders in a "normal" first world nation.

My point was precisely that for the civilized world the us is an extreme outlayer an that thus, if counseling for the civilized world you should not base your council on the us. Mostly because I was going off the assumption that nobody wants to create a failed state on purpose. Although admittedly that might be wrong given that it might be fun to create an us or Somalia analogue just for the fun of it.

[Gallia-]

I, too, am curious about conditions which lead people to be dying en masse from "overwork." Like what

working in 130 F heat 25/8

wait tankers do that shit

[Dayganistan]

I, too, am curious about conditions which lead people to be dying en masse from "overwork." Like what

Sharifistan isn't supposed to make sense, it's just some edgy teenage trad-Muslim fantasy

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I, too, am curious about conditions which lead people to be dying en masse from "overwork." Like what

Sharifistan isn't supposed to make sense, it's just some edgy teenage trad-Muslim fantasy

"Western Liberal Muslim"*
I still dunno how that works.

[Gallia-]

the virgin assurance of umar vs the chad toyota taliban

Sharifistan isn't supposed to make sense, it's just some edgy teenage trad-Muslim fantasy

"Western Liberal Muslim"*
I still dunno how that works.

Like most oxymorons, it doesn't.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere under Tokyo to the Nile pls.

[Gallia-]

not really asian at that point

i'll settle for a buffer state of the ural separatist republic led by gur-khan between the grand duchy of muscovy (with client states kievan rus' and poland-lithuania) and the greater east asia co-prosperity sphere

all timelines merge into one and kievan rus' is a cyberpunk doomstaat led by increasingly incompetent oligarchs until gazprom flexes its military muscle and declares sovereignty over the pipelines and a 100 mile exclusion zone enforced by UCAV and laser guided bomb

[Dayganistan]

"Western Liberal Muslim"*
I still dunno how that works.

You have to pull an Ataturk or Reza Pahlavi and even then you still don't get rid of the traditionalist elements entirely as we've seen in both Iran and now Turkey. For example, my NS nation is basically supposed to be a thicc Afghanistan that underwent Ataturk style reforms but I didn't just handwave away traditionalists altogether and one of these days I'll end up RPing out a civil war between the government and Islamists.

[Gallia-]

THICCistan

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I have a side-project occasionally given a warm-over that's basically Jordanian Middle East with less ISIS/Saudi Arabian Wahhabism and more Golden Age idealism. <.>

[Crookfur]

Due to a number of cultural factors
(Both protectiveness of women and patriarchy)
Far more men than women are in the Armed forces, work on oil rigs and factory-work.
Due to conscription most men spend time in the Army.
The infantry is also literally all male.
Would this lead to more women than men?
(Due to men dying of overwork, industrial accidents and war)

So basically just any old modern state then...
Basically just look at the demographics of any country since the early modern period where they haven't suffered some horrid issue (be it a war or whatever) or instituted some massive demographic altering political scheme.
I suspect a roughly even balance of the sexes prevails in the vast majority of cases.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Due to a number of cultural factors
(Both protectiveness of women and patriarchy)
Far more men than women are in the Armed forces, work on oil rigs and factory-work.
Due to conscription most men spend time in the Army.
The infantry is also literally all male.
Would this lead to more women than men?
(Due to men dying of overwork, industrial accidents and war)

So basically just any old modern state then...
Basically just look at the demographics of any country since the early modern period where they haven't suffered some horrid issue (be it a war or whatever) or instituted some massive demographic altering political scheme.
I suspect a roughly even balance of the sexes prevails in the vast majority of cases.

But if overwork is a common cause of death then won't the less overworked gender be more numerous.
Also Sharifistan has a state of almost constantly war and would rather lose men than some materiel such as tanks or planes due to their high military numbers.

[Dayganistan]

Also Sharifistan has a state of almost constantly war and would rather lose men than some materiel such as tanks or planes due to their high military numbers.

Do you want to be Somalia? Because this is how you become Somalia. Also even the Soviet Union is WWII would rather lose tanks and aircraft than men. Equipment is replaceable. Men, not so much.