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Ideal Britain
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Postby Ideal Britain » Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:10 pm

Ideal Britain wrote:Would it be realistic in a Mounted Unit to have an Inspector command 15 police officers, a Sergeant command 5 police officers and a Chief Inspector command 60 police officers?


Would it be realistic?
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Kedri
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Postby Kedri » Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:43 pm

Ideal Britain wrote:
Ideal Britain wrote:Would it be realistic in a Mounted Unit to have an Inspector command 15 police officers, a Sergeant command 5 police officers and a Chief Inspector command 60 police officers?


Would it be realistic?


Probably.
Kedri is a nation of 18th century pirates who know water-bending. Throw in some steampunk, as well. Tech level is PT/FanT.
Kedrians abandon piracy and become a modernized country, founded by reformed criminals who forsook piracy and the citizens are descended from pirates, and still retain some of their heritage such as speech, accent, politics.

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Postby Triplebaconation » Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:16 pm

No.
Proverbs 23:9.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:59 pm

Hmm
I need to find an official state religion for Ostmarkistan, one that's not too Wahhabism...
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:09 pm

Gallia- wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Shinto

What is State Shinto with Greco-Roman Gods? *thinking*
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:45 pm

Kedri wrote:
Ideal Britain wrote:
Would it be realistic?


Probably.

Thank you
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:30 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Gallia- wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Shinto

What is State Shinto with Greco-Roman Gods? *thinking*

I'm guessing whatever the Roman Empire did since before Jesus was even born.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:02 am

New Visayan Islands wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:What is State Shinto with Greco-Roman Gods? *thinking*

I'm guessing whatever the Roman Empire did since before Jesus was even born.


In Rome it was considered unpatriotic behaviour to not give sacrifice to the Roman gods and outed the individual as a potential traitor to Rōma IIRC.
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Postby Gallia- » Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:15 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Gallia- wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Shinto

What is State Shinto with Greco-Roman Gods? *thinking*


Probably very similar.

>Emperor descended from godly being
>Emperor bloodline traced back 2,500 years
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:38 pm

After feedback, here's my revised precinct composition list.

This should be better, I presume?
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Postby Austrasien » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:05 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:What is State Shinto with Greco-Roman Gods? *thinking*


It is just the Roman Religion :eek:

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Postby Kedri » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:10 pm

Is populism an inevitable part of having a direct democracy?
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Postby Ideal Britain » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:43 pm

Kedri wrote:Is populism an inevitable part of having a direct democracy?


If you mean policies enacted based on their popularity: yes of course.

If you mean anti-intellectualism, majority ethnic nationalism or anti-elitism: no
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Postby Gallia- » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:25 pm

Correct, those latter three things are generally what happens regardless of the system you have unless you reign in the excesses of their opposites i.e. intellectual technocraticism (there's not really a good word for this, but essentially it is the sort of baseless-numbers-oriented, corrupt, scientifically-couched leadership that typified the U.S. government planners alike of the 1960's; perhaps "punch card banksterism" is a good analogy), globalism, and...elitism. If you show favor towards one ideology over another and allow policies to swing out of whack with what people genuinely feel is right, then they will become upset and embrace their opposites.

Populism i.e. Thermidors is just generally an inevitable result of what happens when large groups of people feel upset about something long enough, whether it's real or not, and decide to try to change it by rapidly enacting reforms to counter it. I don't see why direct democracy would be any less prone to this being expressed, necessarily, but it may be less prone to it being successfully carried out through legitimate avenues i.e. voting since the political majority can always silence the extreme political minorities, assuming they vote at least. Then I suppose the minorities like your Posadists and your Hitlerites and your "But what if the child consents"-ites would just riot or something if they're really genuinely mad.

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Postby New Vihenia » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:54 am

Hmm thinking about agriculture.

So yeah. I'm curious if it's practical for a Nation, to rely entirely or majority of its agricultural production on Plant factory or other form of farming method which does not rely on soil or openings of a new field, instead of conventional farming/agriculture method ?

The plant factory advantages are :
1.Almost completely independent of weather or climate
2.Can be of any form (e.g 5 stories building) So crop yield is no/little dependent on area of farming
3.Less usage of water and insecticide, resulting in more efficient farm

Those may not apply to all plants but, yeah. I also look on possibility on plant tissue culture. Whether its possible to actually engineer the tissue to grow only part we need e.g fruits or stalk.
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Postby Gallia- » Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:04 am

Maybe if it's literally a single city and is growing vegetables it can use a greenhouse.

The UK has a very big greenhouse that supplies a lot of tomatoes and lettuce for its domestic salad market.
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Postby Austrasien » Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:39 am

New Vihenia wrote:Hmm thinking about agriculture.

So yeah. I'm curious if it's practical for a Nation, to rely entirely or majority of its agricultural production on Plant factory or other form of farming method which does not rely on soil or openings of a new field, instead of conventional farming/agriculture method ?

The plant factory advantages are :
1.Almost completely independent of weather or climate
2.Can be of any form (e.g 5 stories building) So crop yield is no/little dependent on area of farming
3.Less usage of water and insecticide, resulting in more efficient farm

Those may not apply to all plants but, yeah. I also look on possibility on plant tissue culture. Whether its possible to actually engineer the tissue to grow only part we need e.g fruits or stalk.


It is possible to grow plants without soil. There isn't much point though unless you happen to not have soil.

The amount you can grow in an area = the amount of sun falling on that land area. Sunlight is distributed over area, not volume and plants are excellent solar collectors so no amount of clever stacking can meaningfully increase the amount of solar energy available for photosynthesis per acre. Artificial lighting is not worth consideration.
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Postby New Vihenia » Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:41 am

Austrasien wrote:. Artificial lighting is not worth consideration.


This is what apparently Plant Factory does.
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Postby Purpelia » Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:00 am

New Vihenia wrote:
Austrasien wrote:. Artificial lighting is not worth consideration.


This is what apparently Plant Factory does.

In principal there is zero reason why you couldn't just build a hydroponics + artificial light factory for plants. It's just not going to be cost effective compared to using sunlight and soil unless you have some source of super cheap electricity. Like say a fusion reactor or you are in space and have solar panels or something. Not sure if an atomic reactor would do it. I guess it would but like I am not sure how big your farm would have to be for a reactor to pay it self off. Issue is simply that modern agricultural products are so dirt cheap because they outsource all of the primary energy input that it's hard to compete with them.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:42 pm

Is this class system realistic for an "Islamic" absolute monarchy involving Pashtun and Turkic culture and strong militaristic elements?
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High class

1- higher nobility:
Military officers ranked Lieutenant-Colonel (or equivalent) and above, Emirs, Pashas, Princes (Shahzade and Mirza), judges, Mayors,
members of the Shura Al-Sharifs (upper house of parliament), members of the Sultan's cabinet, Muftis, Royal Physicians, Chief Constables and university chancellors.
Less than 1% of the population.

2- nobility:
This includes military officers, Effendis, Beys, Beyzades, lawyers, doctors, the Palace Butler, the Palace Chef, Seneschals, Harem Guards, Bishops, chaplains in the Army, Police and Fire Service, Royal Guards, Police officers (Inspector and above), firefighters (Watch Manager and above) and imams.
2% of the population.

3-
Intelligentsia and certain public safety jobs
The intelligentsia are defined by their educations(university level)
Their privileges include (legal privileges to be decided)
Both segments of class 3 are typically Socialist Party members.
Also in class 3 are firefighters(below Watch Manager), ambulance drivers, soldier(below commissioned officer) and police officer(below Inspector).
Members of class 3 and above are exempt from being put in the stocks and other public punishments.
This class is roughly 15% of the population.

Middle classes
4- artisans and entrepreneurs:
Skilled craftspeople/tradespeople and businessmen (as well as a few businesswomen).
The law requires many products to be made by members of craft guilds.
Entrepreneurs in small and medium-sized companies sometimes struggle financially.
Smallholders are considered part of this class.
This class is 18%-20% of the population.

5- peasants
Including 50% of the population, this class is generally the most representative of the people of Sharifistan.
It includes factory workers, servants and office-workers as well as the usual tenant farmers and farm-workers
Lower class
6- “Trash”:
A class that no one is born into; this class-status is gained through losing ones honour either by breaking certain laws of society or by working in the unehrlicher beruf (“dishonest jobs”) such as car salesman.
1.65% of the population



Miscellaneous/ambiguous classes
concubines (willing, not slavery)/ "pet sirens" of the higher class:
Considered morally dubious but also to be very minor gentry.
They are often politically appointed to relatively high ranking offices as a means for nobles to fill local governments with their supporters and are given wealth.
They also vilified by certain Islamists.
Laws state they are required to wear a turquoise ring and that they may, if they wish, wear high heels.

Rogues' Guild high ranks:
They are criminalised and the government consider them to be a "degenerate organisation" but they have wealth and power as well as prestige in some communities due to their acts of charity, ostensible following of a "code of honour" and politicisation.

Belly dancers:
Praised for their skill and beauty but also viewed as temptresses.

Penal conscripts:
Viewed as criminals but also praised for their bravery.
Since the Battle of Allied Tribe they have more equality with "normal" soldiers.
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A nation which partly represents my views.
Founder of the Traditionalist Military Alliance:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=493756
The Turkish War of Independence and everything before along with 2014 modernisation are set in stone.
Everything else is subject to change

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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:42 am

Are there (or have there been) any societies where most men have multiple wives?

In Sharifistan the population is 75% women due to the huge numbers of men dying in the frequent wars.
Also most Sharifistani follow Islam which means they cannot have more than 4 wives.

I'm making the average number of wives per man 1.9, this means half of men (though obviously not those with very low social status such as convicted draft-dodgers and rapists, the poor or religious minorities like Christians who disapprove of it) have more than one wife.
A nation which partly represents my views.
Founder of the Traditionalist Military Alliance:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=493756
The Turkish War of Independence and everything before along with 2014 modernisation are set in stone.
Everything else is subject to change

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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:28 am

How would I best go about giving Versilia and its people a staunchly independent and nation-minded conscience? When I think of this sort of mindset I think of countries like the Baltic nations, Finland, Iran or China. However all of these countries AFAIK have been direct victims of colonialism (Baltic nations by Russia, Germany and Christendom; China by the European powers; and Iran by the Muslim armies after the Conquest of Persia). I would rather not subject Versilia to a foreign power (most likely Great Britain or France) since it's absolutely not Christian and the vampires undoubtedly would’ve been persecuted, which I kinda don’t want.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:42 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:How would I best go about giving Versilia and its people a staunchly independent and nation-minded conscience? When I think of this sort of mindset I think of countries like the Baltic nations, Finland, Iran or China. However all of these countries AFAIK have been direct victims of colonialism (Baltic nations by Russia, Germany and Christendom; China by the European powers; and Iran by the Muslim armies after the Conquest of Persia). I would rather not subject Versilia to a foreign power (most likely Great Britain or France) since it's absolutely not Christian and the vampires undoubtedly would’ve been persecuted, which I kinda don’t want.


Make them instead "that place they could not conquer",
like Afghanistan
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Founder of the Traditionalist Military Alliance:https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=493756
The Turkish War of Independence and everything before along with 2014 modernisation are set in stone.
Everything else is subject to change

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