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by Kedri » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:28 am
by Crookfur » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:37 am
The Islands of Versilia wrote:Hello,
Could someone take a look at my factbook on vampires and give me suggestions on their biology and how it affects them? Such as metabolism and so on.
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the ... id=1097937
by The Islands of Versilia » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:03 am
Crookfur wrote:The Islands of Versilia wrote:Hello,
Could someone take a look at my factbook on vampires and give me suggestions on their biology and how it affects them? Such as metabolism and so on.
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the ... id=1097937
It's an interesting approach to realistic vampires as people and as such the ability to "turn" normal humans just really doesn't seem to fit or appear even vaguely feasible.
Perhaps the "venom" is simply a more concentrated form of the saliva with more potent effects to the point that being bitten becomes out right addictive to the victim?
Maybe as a result it makes it relatively easy to create limited numbers of wholly devoted thralls. Furthermore it might sound more plausible that the withdrawal symptoms can be countered to a degree by the injection of raw blood so you could create more "vampires" without having folks change species entirely.
You might want to address interspecies sexual compatibility: are the vampires close enough to man that a mating can produce viable fertile offspring (as is suspected to be the case between us and the neanderthals) or would the offspring be infertile (think ass/mule)?
by Taihei Tengoku » Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:43 am
Kedri wrote:Is a confederation sustainable in the long term?
by The Macabees » Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:11 am
Kedri wrote:Is a confederation sustainable in the long term?
by Ainin » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:46 am
by Kazarogkai » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:03 pm
Kedri wrote:Is a confederation sustainable in the long term?
by Tule » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:21 pm
Kazarogkai wrote:Kedri wrote:Is a confederation sustainable in the long term?
Well the icelandic commonwealth lasted for nearly 300 years before the Age of Sturlung(long civil war) caused it's collapsed. Heck that's longer then the us so there is that. You might want to look them up it was a pretty interesting society when it came down to it with the ideas behind it being something you might be interested in.
by Kazarogkai » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:19 pm
Tule wrote:Kazarogkai wrote:
Well the icelandic commonwealth lasted for nearly 300 years before the Age of Sturlung(long civil war) caused it's collapsed. Heck that's longer then the us so there is that. You might want to look them up it was a pretty interesting society when it came down to it with the ideas behind it being something you might be interested in.
I would be careful looking at the Icelandic Commonwealth through a modern lense.
The chiefdoms that the commonwealth was composed of were private property. They could be bought and sold and they were. They were then conglomerated until the country turned into a violent Oligarchy. Eventually the country was sold out to Norway.
It's an inherently unstable system, it was doomed from the start.
Kazarogkai wrote:
The Tribunes
For the second body the goal is from the onset the creation of a body whose task will be ensuring minority rights and with that their interests are protected from attempts by the majority of stripping them away. By that nature it will not be a body which is meant to be beholden to democratic and especially partisan influences in general for said interests are already ensured by the former body more than adequately. Hence appointment and elections are out as a methodology. Instead the system I propose and the one that is the topic of this thread is Sortition. Specifically Sortition from eligible members of the Judiciary. So with that In mind let me continue by elaborating on this along with the structure of the system in question.
So one might ask what will be the nature of this body? Well as mentioned before this would broadly speaking have the powers known by Montesquieu as those subscribed to a Judiciary that being the power to interpret the laws of the nation. The actual structure will overall be rather similar to the former body albeit designed to be in a sense a more hierarchical with those above having greater and greater powers depending on the levels they are on. With that the system itself will be comprised of various levels of what will be termed tribunes the most organized into a pyramid. At the bottom are the Municipal Tribunes which will function as courts of first instance, simultaneously at the top will be what will be known as the National Tribunes will function as courts of last resort, the remainder in the center(local,state,regional,etc) will function as the courts of appeal for Tribunes immediately preceding them. Said tribunes will be further divided up based on the different forms/aspects of law that they focus on these will be but will not be limited to: Constitutional, Criminal, Civil, Family, Commerce, and Military law.
With the exception of the Constitutional Tribunes which will be "fixed" tribunes are not technically permanent standing bodies but only formed and whose members only serve on a semi-as needed basis. The members who comprise these bodies are derived from pools encompassing the areas mentioned(municipal,local,state,regional,national) from what are known as Archons and Jurists. These two types of individuals are similar but different at the same time with Archons being Scholars of Law in general and Jurists being Scholars of more humanistic pursuits like say liberal arts and philosophy and to a degree an advocate. On a Tribune they will have slightly different functions depending on what stage of a trial the Tribune is in. Within the inquisitive stage the Archons will be the voting members with the Jurist functioning in an advisory role in a as needed basis. In contrasts at the sentencing stage they will actually become voting members with the ultimate idea being they are there so that not only the rule of law is preserved but the spirit is too.
The actual numbers of members of a Tribune will vary mind you depending on the level of Tribune, lower Tribunes have smaller numbers than higher Tribunes. For example Municipal Tribunes may be comprised of 12 members while National Tribunes will be composed of say 60 members. To compose these Tribunes said Archons and Jurists will be chosen from the aforementioned pools based on what level the case is currently in via sortition from all eligible members. They will serve until the completion of said Tribunes tenure, the length of the trial/case. The exception to this rule are the aforementioned Constitutional Tribunes whose members are again chosen by sortition but who serve a single fixed term of about 1-3 years only being eligible to return to that specific body after all other eligible have had a chance.
The qualifications to become a Archon or a Jurist are simple. In the case of both one must have a doctorate in the respective fields applying to what ever they are pursing. In the case of Jurist it has to be a degree pertaining to philosophy or liberal arts or some other degree focused on the humanities. For Archons they need a degree in Law. Now onto where things differ. In the case of the Archons they simply need to declare themselves upon completing of their degrees a legal scholar and upon doing so will be registered on the Municipal pool of Archons where they live in by their fellow Archons. In the case of Jurists they need something a bit different. Upon completing their degree they can if they wish declare themselves a legal scholar also but said position has no particular power on it's own until they gain what are known as followers. In a similar manner to the goðar of the Icelandic Commonwealth the Jurist must gain followers who agree to be represented by them within the tribune whenever they are involved in such matters.
Mind you something to make mention of before I go on I made mention that Jurists sit on the Tribunes as somewhat of equals to the Archons and are called on an as needed basis. The way that works is as such. When a trial begins in it's inquisitive stage from the get go their is automatically going to be atleast 1 Jurist that being the Jurist representing the aggrieved party(assuming there is one). When a suspect is found during the inquisitive stage the Jurist representing them will soon after join the tribune for as long as the person remains as such unless they become regarded as the potential guilty at which point they will be a permanent fixture just like the last Jurist. Any additional Jurist, known as neutrals, can be called upon to serve on the tribune their quantity being at the minimum required to be equal to half the number of current sitting Archons on the Tribune not counting the first two. They are for the most part chosen on a voluntary basis with confirmation being affirmed by the sitting members of the Tribune. If not enough volunteers can be solicited though then sortition can be used to gain more.
Now with that finished how exactly will this system play out and work? To put it in simple terms lets say you are the aggrieved party and want Justice so what do you do? You find a local Archon and you must get them to a agree to hear your case. If said Archon thinks said case has merit they will give their signature of approval. If not then you needed worry, you simply have to find another. A preliminary Tribune can only be formed once you have gained enough Archons to fill the necessary Tribune. So in the case of a Municipal Tribune(court of first instance) you need say 12 Archons. These Archons will then deliberate on whether the Case is of merit and worthy to be seen before a proper Tribune, not on who is guilty or not. If they say yes then they can make their way to the local court house whereby they can initiate a Selection Ceremony. This Selection Ceremony will be where the Sortition is made in the first place with all Archons present in the Municipal Pool, who are not currently serving in a tribune, having their names dropped in the proverbial hat. Upon the completion of this letters of action will be sent to each of the 12 Archons whose names where chosen and they will appear at the court house as soon as possible. In order to prevent Corruption and to protect them from retaliation said Archons names will not be known with their identities concealed.
The same will be true of the neutral Jurists. The trial will henceforth commence in a manner resembling the current one until the Tribune decides to make a verdict of guilty, not guilty, or not proven. In the case of a guilty verdict the Prosecuted may appeal to a higher Tribune, in the case of not guilty the Prosecutor may appeal to a higher Tribune, in the case of a verdict of not proven then they both may appeal for a retrial. If the verdict of guilty is made though the Tribune will adjourn until a certain deadline has been passed for appeals unless it was by a National Tribune at which point appeals are not possible. Regardless the Tribune in question will re adjourn and come together in what will be termed a sentencing Tribune where justice will be meted out. The Jurists, whose numbers will not exceed those of the Archons, will be allowed to vote at this point and the overall goal is consensus to bring everyone to a reasonable sentence that satisfies all parties.
by Kedri » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:08 am
Kazarogkai wrote:Tule wrote:
I would be careful looking at the Icelandic Commonwealth through a modern lense.
The chiefdoms that the commonwealth was composed of were private property. They could be bought and sold and they were. They were then conglomerated until the country turned into a violent Oligarchy. Eventually the country was sold out to Norway.
It's an inherently unstable system, it was doomed from the start.
ohh I know, still had some pretty cool ideas though especially if one is going for an anarcho-capitalist(yea I know that's a contradiction but shut it) society it's a semi useful blueprint for how to potentially make one. Plus the fact that it lasted 300 odd years prior to the age of Sturlungs, aforementioned civil war/conglomeration, compared to the United States of america which has lasted less than 250 years, doesn't seem that horrible of a track record.
Still it's kinda known from the get go that Rapidly libertarian societies are inherently unstable and ultimately suffer from issues related towards external and internal power plays being that they are in effect a giant power vacuum waiting to be filled. Nonetheless the Icelandic commonwealth was in comparison to say Revolutionary Catalonia a much longer lasting and established society hence is probably the best template to start from since it was arguably the most successful by that standard.
Me and a few other guys actually spoke on this on another thread where we talked about this society and potentially ways it could have been maybe improved so that's cool. If your wondering one of are main ideas related towards making the place a bit more sustainable relates towards the issue of the chieftainships namely their finite nature which ultimately allowed them to be consolidated. A good way to prevent that maybe would be by allowing an infinite number of chiefs not constrained by geography like they were in OTL. The way this would work is basically any freeman with a reasonable knowledge of the law would be allowed to claim himself as a chief though just like before he lacked any sort of power until he was able to gain followers who would allow him to represent them in court. By getting rid of the geographical divisions this would allow said chiefs to compete nationwide for followers and thereby keep competition up and consolidation down. Said chieftainship would unlike in OTL die with the individual in question and would not be trade able as private property consequently this would again prevent consolidation just like before ultimately keeping any sort of big man type figure from rising like they did in OTL.
Of course eventually it's gonna come to an end, we acknowledged that, since as mentioned before even if this system is made fool proof against internal power grabs it's still very venerable to external power grabs which will eventually happen. Someones gonna wanna conquer them. But at the very least it could maybe be put off for a while, maybe till the discovery of the new world when large scale sea travel became more normalized?
Just to add a bit the Icelandic commonwealths chieftain system was heavily in part an inspiration for the creation of my own nation's legal system actually and in part my own personal fantasy system that I envisioned. That and Somali Xeer. I mentioned it on another thread but it has some relevance here so here you go:Kazarogkai wrote:
The Tribunes
For the second body the goal is from the onset the creation of a body whose task will be ensuring minority rights and with that their interests are protected from attempts by the majority of stripping them away. By that nature it will not be a body which is meant to be beholden to democratic and especially partisan influences in general for said interests are already ensured by the former body more than adequately. Hence appointment and elections are out as a methodology. Instead the system I propose and the one that is the topic of this thread is Sortition. Specifically Sortition from eligible members of the Judiciary. So with that In mind let me continue by elaborating on this along with the structure of the system in question.
So one might ask what will be the nature of this body? Well as mentioned before this would broadly speaking have the powers known by Montesquieu as those subscribed to a Judiciary that being the power to interpret the laws of the nation. The actual structure will overall be rather similar to the former body albeit designed to be in a sense a more hierarchical with those above having greater and greater powers depending on the levels they are on. With that the system itself will be comprised of various levels of what will be termed tribunes the most organized into a pyramid. At the bottom are the Municipal Tribunes which will function as courts of first instance, simultaneously at the top will be what will be known as the National Tribunes will function as courts of last resort, the remainder in the center(local,state,regional,etc) will function as the courts of appeal for Tribunes immediately preceding them. Said tribunes will be further divided up based on the different forms/aspects of law that they focus on these will be but will not be limited to: Constitutional, Criminal, Civil, Family, Commerce, and Military law.
With the exception of the Constitutional Tribunes which will be "fixed" tribunes are not technically permanent standing bodies but only formed and whose members only serve on a semi-as needed basis. The members who comprise these bodies are derived from pools encompassing the areas mentioned(municipal,local,state,regional,national) from what are known as Archons and Jurists. These two types of individuals are similar but different at the same time with Archons being Scholars of Law in general and Jurists being Scholars of more humanistic pursuits like say liberal arts and philosophy and to a degree an advocate. On a Tribune they will have slightly different functions depending on what stage of a trial the Tribune is in. Within the inquisitive stage the Archons will be the voting members with the Jurist functioning in an advisory role in a as needed basis. In contrasts at the sentencing stage they will actually become voting members with the ultimate idea being they are there so that not only the rule of law is preserved but the spirit is too.
The actual numbers of members of a Tribune will vary mind you depending on the level of Tribune, lower Tribunes have smaller numbers than higher Tribunes. For example Municipal Tribunes may be comprised of 12 members while National Tribunes will be composed of say 60 members. To compose these Tribunes said Archons and Jurists will be chosen from the aforementioned pools based on what level the case is currently in via sortition from all eligible members. They will serve until the completion of said Tribunes tenure, the length of the trial/case. The exception to this rule are the aforementioned Constitutional Tribunes whose members are again chosen by sortition but who serve a single fixed term of about 1-3 years only being eligible to return to that specific body after all other eligible have had a chance.
The qualifications to become a Archon or a Jurist are simple. In the case of both one must have a doctorate in the respective fields applying to what ever they are pursing. In the case of Jurist it has to be a degree pertaining to philosophy or liberal arts or some other degree focused on the humanities. For Archons they need a degree in Law. Now onto where things differ. In the case of the Archons they simply need to declare themselves upon completing of their degrees a legal scholar and upon doing so will be registered on the Municipal pool of Archons where they live in by their fellow Archons. In the case of Jurists they need something a bit different. Upon completing their degree they can if they wish declare themselves a legal scholar also but said position has no particular power on it's own until they gain what are known as followers. In a similar manner to the goðar of the Icelandic Commonwealth the Jurist must gain followers who agree to be represented by them within the tribune whenever they are involved in such matters.
Mind you something to make mention of before I go on I made mention that Jurists sit on the Tribunes as somewhat of equals to the Archons and are called on an as needed basis. The way that works is as such. When a trial begins in it's inquisitive stage from the get go their is automatically going to be atleast 1 Jurist that being the Jurist representing the aggrieved party(assuming there is one). When a suspect is found during the inquisitive stage the Jurist representing them will soon after join the tribune for as long as the person remains as such unless they become regarded as the potential guilty at which point they will be a permanent fixture just like the last Jurist. Any additional Jurist, known as neutrals, can be called upon to serve on the tribune their quantity being at the minimum required to be equal to half the number of current sitting Archons on the Tribune not counting the first two. They are for the most part chosen on a voluntary basis with confirmation being affirmed by the sitting members of the Tribune. If not enough volunteers can be solicited though then sortition can be used to gain more.
Now with that finished how exactly will this system play out and work? To put it in simple terms lets say you are the aggrieved party and want Justice so what do you do? You find a local Archon and you must get them to a agree to hear your case. If said Archon thinks said case has merit they will give their signature of approval. If not then you needed worry, you simply have to find another. A preliminary Tribune can only be formed once you have gained enough Archons to fill the necessary Tribune. So in the case of a Municipal Tribune(court of first instance) you need say 12 Archons. These Archons will then deliberate on whether the Case is of merit and worthy to be seen before a proper Tribune, not on who is guilty or not. If they say yes then they can make their way to the local court house whereby they can initiate a Selection Ceremony. This Selection Ceremony will be where the Sortition is made in the first place with all Archons present in the Municipal Pool, who are not currently serving in a tribune, having their names dropped in the proverbial hat. Upon the completion of this letters of action will be sent to each of the 12 Archons whose names where chosen and they will appear at the court house as soon as possible. In order to prevent Corruption and to protect them from retaliation said Archons names will not be known with their identities concealed.
The same will be true of the neutral Jurists. The trial will henceforth commence in a manner resembling the current one until the Tribune decides to make a verdict of guilty, not guilty, or not proven. In the case of a guilty verdict the Prosecuted may appeal to a higher Tribune, in the case of not guilty the Prosecutor may appeal to a higher Tribune, in the case of a verdict of not proven then they both may appeal for a retrial. If the verdict of guilty is made though the Tribune will adjourn until a certain deadline has been passed for appeals unless it was by a National Tribune at which point appeals are not possible. Regardless the Tribune in question will re adjourn and come together in what will be termed a sentencing Tribune where justice will be meted out. The Jurists, whose numbers will not exceed those of the Archons, will be allowed to vote at this point and the overall goal is consensus to bring everyone to a reasonable sentence that satisfies all parties.
It's a bit jumbled but it's my first major attempt to put my ideas in such a regard down on paper so to speak. Your thoughts?
by Prosorusiya » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:34 pm
by Normund » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:31 am
by The Akasha Colony » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:38 pm
Normund wrote:Is a unicameral legislature a good idea?
Would it work with a presidential system, where the president is both head of state and government?
What are the pros and cons of unicameralism vs bicameralism?
by Kedri » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:14 pm
by Great Nortend » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:37 pm
by The Akasha Colony » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:34 am
Kedri wrote:How likely would a tropical archipelago escape colonization, especially by European powers?
Kedri is such a country, though I originally had the canon be that it was colonized by the British but the pirates drove them out. Now, it’s just that Europeans attempted to colonize Kedri and failed.
by Minoa » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:23 am
by Kyneland » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:31 am
by Taihei Tengoku » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:43 am
Kyneland wrote:Questions:
I. How possible is it for heathenry or paganism to continue existing after the Christianisation of Scandinavia, particularly on an island like my nation?
II. What loopholes in international law could be used to continue repressing Christians/Muslims/Jews and continuing animal sacrifice?
III. What reasoning could I use for Kyneland’s heathen culture persisting?
by Bears Armed » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:21 am
Minoa wrote:Minoa is reviewing how it joined the UN:
In September 2024, Minoa applies to join the UN. It is, or will be, recognised by all but one UN member.
The only UN member not to recognise this new country is the UK, who has veto power. The UK opposes Minoa’s accession because the founder defected from the UK as a result of some huge scandal (e.g. Brexit, Grenfell Tower or Windrush). I'd suspect that their international standing would be severely tarnished by the Brexit.
As expected, the UK vetoes Minoa’s application. If I recall correctly, there cannot be a veto from any of the five permanent members for a nation to join the UN.
Now here is the bit I am reviewing: the current idea is a consortium of nations led by France and Russia tables a GA resolution to have Minoa replace the UK, in the same way as Mainland China replaced Taiwan back in 1970. The resolution gets two-thirds majority in the GA, albeit only just, largely because Minoa and the UK are totally unrelated.
The question here is whether this scenario will hold up properly.
by The Akasha Colony » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:43 am
Minoa wrote:Minoa is reviewing how it joined the UN:
In September 2024, Minoa applies to join the UN. It is, or will be, recognised by all but one UN member.
The only UN member not to recognise this new country is the UK, who has veto power. The UK opposes Minoa’s accession because the founder defected from the UK as a result of some huge scandal (e.g. Brexit, Grenfell Tower or Windrush). I'd suspect that their international standing would be severely tarnished by the Brexit.
As expected, the UK vetoes Minoa’s application. If I recall correctly, there cannot be a veto from any of the five permanent members for a nation to join the UN.
Now here is the bit I am reviewing: the current idea is a consortium of nations led by France and Russia tables a GA resolution to have Minoa replace the UK, in the same way as Mainland China replaced Taiwan back in 1970. The resolution gets two-thirds majority in the GA, albeit only just, largely because Minoa and the UK are totally unrelated.
The question here is whether this scenario will hold up properly.
by Bears Armed » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:56 am
Kyneland wrote:Questions:
I. How possible is it for heathenry or paganism to continue existing after the Christianisation of Scandinavia, particularly on an island like my nation?
by Minoa » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:13 am
The Akasha Colony wrote:Minoa wrote:Minoa is reviewing how it joined the UN:
In September 2024, Minoa applies to join the UN. It is, or will be, recognised by all but one UN member.
The only UN member not to recognise this new country is the UK, who has veto power. The UK opposes Minoa’s accession because the founder defected from the UK as a result of some huge scandal (e.g. Brexit, Grenfell Tower or Windrush). I'd suspect that their international standing would be severely tarnished by the Brexit.
As expected, the UK vetoes Minoa’s application. If I recall correctly, there cannot be a veto from any of the five permanent members for a nation to join the UN.
Now here is the bit I am reviewing: the current idea is a consortium of nations led by France and Russia tables a GA resolution to have Minoa replace the UK, in the same way as Mainland China replaced Taiwan back in 1970. The resolution gets two-thirds majority in the GA, albeit only just, largely because Minoa and the UK are totally unrelated.
The question here is whether this scenario will hold up properly.
It sounds rather absurd, to say the least.
I have no knowledge on the background of your nation but it seems extremely unlikely that the UK would bother vetoing a country's UN membership because one of its leaders was involved in some kind of nebulous scandal. Brexit would be ancient history by 2024, given the way international relations works. Not like it's going to seriously hurt the UK's relations anyway. Whether the UK is legally a part of the EU, it is still a close trading partner of Europe and has far stronger relations with it than some random nation that arises out of the blue.
On top of that, I have no idea why France and Russia would have any interest in replacing the UK, a nation with which they have had many decades of relations (and which is a strong geopolitical ally of France) with some random nation that seems to have just been founded out of nowhere. Russia might not have the best relations with the UK but it would be extremely aware that should such a process be used successfully against the UK, Russia itself could soon find itself the subject of such a coup given that it has no shortage of enemies.
Lastly, and perhaps the most absurd part is that I have no idea why anyone would think of replacing the UK's membership with some other unrelated state's delegation. It doesn't make any sense. The PRC replaced the ROC because that seat was reserved for "China." When the UN was founded in 1945, the ROC government controlled mainland China but by 1971, it was pretty clear that the PRC was in charge and that the ROC wasn't going to be able to retake the mainland anytime soon. So the seat was transferred to the "legitimate" Chinese government that controlled the vast majority of "China." Likewise, Russia inherited the USSR's seat in the UN as the single largest and most powerful of the USSR's successor states, which was a logical outcome.
by Great Aletia » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:38 am
Kedri wrote:Is a confederation sustainable in the long term?
Kedri is has a history of pirate rule, and is emerging from its days stuck in the Gold Age of Piracy, and the new government wants to move away from piracy and modernize the country. So far, the system I have in place is very similar to America under the Articles of Confederation, except Kedri has a Westminster-style parliamentary system with very weak powers at the national level.
The main reason for confederation is Kedrians want to retain parts of their pirate heritage and value direct democracy, and emphasize the local level of government as being the most important.
However, I imagine some Kedrians moving towards a federal system to promote a greater unity in order to survive in the world.
by The Akasha Colony » Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:15 pm
Minoa wrote:I think on balance, I will have to review how Minoa was founded (Greece, Macedonia, Western Turkey and Blagoevgrad) – there would have to be a strong anti-establishment movement for this to happen (although it is reasonable to expect that the formation of Minoa would happen in stages, such as referendums under international observations), but if I recall correctly, economic crises can be a motivation for revolutions of any kind. If I recall correctly, Erdogan has been messing up Turkey’s economy badly.
Regarding Britain’s hatred for Minoa, it seems that the founder, also to be rewritten also but remaining anti-Brexit, would have to do something big to attract the ire of the UK. Possible ideas could include running a large and successful divestment campaign that sends the UK economy into a spiral due to capital flight, but the challenge there would be how the founder can get the rest of the world to substitute the UK in terms of imports: in my opinion, it is possible: e.g. the financial sector could be taken over by Frankfurt or Paris, while a lot of countries produce various things like steel and clothes.
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