Worldbuilding Realism Consultation Thread Mk. 4

[Danternoust]

Probably situationally exempt.

Legally most categories of short term transactions are no different than short term loans for goods in collateral that don't exist.

[Dtn]

lol

[New Aeyariss]

Okay:

My nation - the Empire of Greater Nifon - is inspired by alt history in which Japan accepted Christianity (in this verse high Protestantism). While I already have a proper theology, let us consider social and political ramifications of such event.

In 1630, Shogun Chosokame no Mitsuhide makes Christianity a state religion. All Nifonese are ordered to convert or face death. Then:

- It would mean Nifon had a Meiji era 200 years before rl Japan, and as result be flooded by western culture and education. We may see western / style clothing / art / architecture, or attempts to blend western elements with Wenchuani and native styles.

- The Chosokame Shogunate would be a theocracy fighting all forms of religious dissent with fire. Thousands would be burned at stakes.

- There would be no isolation. With out isolation the cities and merchant class will thrive.

- The shogunate will attempt to solidify the caste divisions to unite the warring states. Aside from Christianity, a new form of "baptized" Confucianism will become the state ideology, with Confucius portrayed as believer in God, and Shangdi / Tian of Chinese classics being imperfect understanding of God of the Bible.

- No longer seen as God, the position of Emperor will loose it's prestige. To legitimize it's existence, the concept of "Mandate of Heaven" will be brought from the classics, though this time in a new Christian format.

- Lack of isolation means that merchant class will have access to new markets, putting it at odds with the Shogunate. Eventually in early 1800s a rebellion erupts leading to shogunate's downfall, which also brings new forms of Kogyokism.

Any thoughts / ideas are welcome!

[Gallia-]

It would decline faster than it did IRL I'd think.

[Andrenade]

Thoughts on supersonic commercial flight for early MT+ ? I’m aware of the noise and increased logistical issues, but figured the NS world is almost always scaled to be larger, necessitating the need for quicker flight.

[The Akasha Colony]

Thoughts on supersonic commercial flight for early MT+ ? I’m aware of the noise and increased logistical issues, but figured the NS world is almost always scaled to be larger, necessitating the need for quicker flight.

There isn't a need for faster flights. As evidenced by the fact that supersonic airliners never really caught on.

Supersonic airliners have worse fuel efficiency and range than subsonic airliners. So far, passenger trends for the last few decades have shown that passengers prefer cheaper, more direct flights than faster, more expensive flights with more connections (which reduce the time advantage anyway). Which is to say, they like cheap flights with minimal hassle. This is why development at the major manufacturers has been focused on mid-sized, ultra-long-range planes like the 787 and A350, because these have the range to open up new routes that may not have the traffic to fill a 747, 777-300, or A380. And this trend is expanding into even smaller markets, with planes like the A321 LR also focused on making more direct airport pairings at longer ranges possible combined with the lower acquisition cost of a narrowbody aircraft.

[Crookfur]

Thoughts on supersonic commercial flight for early MT+ ? I’m aware of the noise and increased logistical issues, but figured the NS world is almost always scaled to be larger, necessitating the need for quicker flight.

Is there a pressing need for same day point to point escorted carriage of documents?

Do you have businesses that absolutely require staff being able to travel transatlantic distance each way for a meeting or service visit in the same day.

Civilian supersonic flight might be feasible for a limited number of billets, but it would be a hard sell as even our current RL billionaires would rather burn thier money on space capable pens extensions rather than a faster runaround jet.

[Gallia-]

Thoughts on supersonic commercial flight for early MT+ ? I’m aware of the noise and increased logistical issues, but figured the NS world is almost always scaled to be larger, necessitating the need for quicker flight.

It would just be a bunch of East India Companies with private armies.

That said if you don't deregulate airlines and keep them expensive then supersonics will catch on since business users will prefer traveling across the Atlantic in 3 hours instead of 8. Or from LAX to Tokyo in 5 hours instead of 12.

Business flights and transportation of VIPs is the actual reason air travel exists after all, and quiet SSTs will make supersonics more viable for more routes besides just the trans-Atlantic corridor, which isn't very big anymore for business travel (relative to the '60's). That said the relative decline of Europe as an economic or global hub of, well quite frankly anything, is probably a bigger reason SSTs died: no one actually likes to go to London for business trips, so all good British companies now have their headquarters in NYC or Virginia which is a 45 minute drive versus a 3-9 hour flight. Ditto SSTs aren't quite fast enough for trans-Pacific flights yet so important companies (Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, to name a few) put their headquarters in America.

Ultimately, larger temporal distances tend to encourage independent subsidiaries and regional HQs over faster airplanes in practice. SSTs are nice for extremely niche purposes (transporting VIPs very quickly for same-day work) but that is about the only real purpose of air travel these days. And there's no problem with just prepositioning mechanics or technicians in friendly ports like 7th Fleet does in Singapore.

Leisure purposes of air travel are opiates and not important for practical problem solving, but they do have a lot of income in aggregate, and they give airlines a good reason to reduce wages and break unions so the CEO gets more bonuses. That said more airlines have gone bankrupt since the deregulation than before it, so clearly something is wrong, since even with union busting and race to the bottom wages the airlines aren't cutting it being vacation hoppers for poor people. Business clients would probably be more stable since there's always a market for VIP travel though.

I suspect in coming decades air travel will go the way of the department store though: eventual shuttering and consolidation into a few global hubs (major multi-million cities) and great decline in overall use. Maybe we'll go back to passenger ships, or more likely, international travel will just become much harder for average people when it comes to crossing oceans. So deregulation leads to the end point of regulation (centralization of air travel to VIPs and business clients) by a meandering scenic route. Maybe SSTs will come back then since megacorps can easier absorb the costs of high fuel/ticket price in exchange for time.

Would be easier to just keep airline tickets expensive and leave teleconferencing to the poor tbh. The former plus route regulation would be advantageous to SSTs.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Okay:

My nation - the Empire of Greater Nifon - is inspired by alt history in which Japan accepted Christianity (in this verse high Protestantism). While I already have a proper theology, let us consider social and political ramifications of such event.

In 1630, Shogun Chosokame no Mitsuhide makes Christianity a state religion. All Nifonese are ordered to convert or face death. Then:

- It would mean Nifon had a Meiji era 200 years before rl Japan, and as result be flooded by western culture and education. We may see western / style clothing / art / architecture, or attempts to blend western elements with Wenchuani and native styles.

- The Chosokame Shogunate would be a theocracy fighting all forms of religious dissent with fire. Thousands would be burned at stakes.

- There would be no isolation. With out isolation the cities and merchant class will thrive.

- The shogunate will attempt to solidify the caste divisions to unite the warring states. Aside from Christianity, a new form of "baptized" Confucianism will become the state ideology, with Confucius portrayed as believer in God, and Shangdi / Tian of Chinese classics being imperfect understanding of God of the Bible.

- No longer seen as God, the position of Emperor will loose it's prestige. To legitimize it's existence, the concept of "Mandate of Heaven" will be brought from the classics, though this time in a new Christian format.

- Lack of isolation means that merchant class will have access to new markets, putting it at odds with the Shogunate. Eventually in early 1800s a rebellion erupts leading to shogunate's downfall, which also brings new forms of Kogyokism.

Any thoughts / ideas are welcome!

I think the existence of anime in such a Japan would be unlikely.

[Futrellia]

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You're an idiot.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

You're an idiot.

You lack evidence to support your assertion.

[South Americanastan]

You're an idiot.

You lack evidence to support your assertion.

Well, you did see a non-existent anime reference in New Aeyariss's post, so you're currently hallucinating at best.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

You lack evidence to support your assertion.

Well, you did see a non-existent anime reference in New Aeyariss's post, so you're currently hallucinating at best.

He said "Any thoughts / ideas are welcome!" I gave a thought relevant to culture in a Christian Japan what's your problem with that?

[South Americanastan]

Well, you did see a non-existent anime reference in New Aeyariss's post, so you're currently hallucinating at best.

He said "Any thoughts / ideas are welcome!" I gave a thought relevant to culture in a Christian Japan what's your problem with that?

I don't think he was referring to whether anime would exist, my guy.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

He said "Any thoughts / ideas are welcome!" I gave a thought relevant to culture in a Christian Japan what's your problem with that?

I don't think he was referring to whether anime would exist, my guy.

Anime not existing is a major social and political ramification, my friend.

[Gallia-]

"Anime" is just Japan copying Disney cartoons lol.

[South Americanastan]

I don't think he was referring to whether anime would exist, my guy.

Anime not existing is a major social and political ramification, my friend.

uhhhhh....

The logic behind anime not existing being a major social and political ramification is so flawed I don't even know how to start. Is America going to nuke Japan again because it didn't get it's fill of anime titties? Is the Cold War going to collapse into a nuclear holocaust because the Soviets didn't have their Kawai Waifus calming them down?

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Anime not existing is a major social and political ramification, my friend.

uhhhhh....

The logic behind anime not existing being a major social and political ramification is so flawed I don't even know how to start. Is America going to nuke Japan again because it didn't get it's fill of anime titties? Is the Cold War going to collapse into a nuclear holocaust because the Soviets didn't have their Kawai Waifus calming them down?

Anime has had significant effects on Japanese society and by extension politics, actually. Some sociologists estimate that anime is up to 50% responsible for the ongoing demographic crisis in the country.

[South Americanastan]

uhhhhh....

The logic behind anime not existing being a major social and political ramification is so flawed I don't even know how to start. Is America going to nuke Japan again because it didn't get it's fill of anime titties? Is the Cold War going to collapse into a nuclear holocaust because the Soviets didn't have their Kawai Waifus calming them down?

Anime has had significant effects on Japanese society and by extension politics, actually. Some sociologists estimate that anime is up to 50% responsible for the ongoing demographic crisis in the country.

I would like a link to the study conducted by said Sociologists.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Anime has had significant effects on Japanese society and by extension politics, actually. Some sociologists estimate that anime is up to 50% responsible for the ongoing demographic crisis in the country.

I would like a link to the study conducted by said Sociologists.

Can't remember the source, I read it in a book a while ago.

[South Americanastan]

I would like a link to the study conducted by said Sociologists.

Can't remember the source, I read it in a book a while ago.

You can't suggest Anime is up to 50% responsible for Japan's demographic crisis and not have a source other than "I read it in a book a while ago".

The only difference is what people wank off to, not whether Japan has a demographic crisis.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Can't remember the source, I read it in a book a while ago.

You can't suggest Anime is up to 50% responsible for Japan's demographic crisis and not have a source other than "I read it in a book a while ago".

The only difference is what people wank off to, not whether Japan has a demographic crisis.

I said that some sociologists suggested it. And I don't have a source; I don't write these things down like "oh this book says here that X" so that I can cite them later on in internet discussions. Also, I think your interpretation of the cause is incorrect.

[South Americanastan]

You can't suggest Anime is up to 50% responsible for Japan's demographic crisis and not have a source other than "I read it in a book a while ago".

The only difference is what people wank off to, not whether Japan has a demographic crisis.

I said that some sociologists suggested it. And I don't have a source; I don't write these things down like "oh this book says here that X" so that I can cite them later on in internet discussions. Also, I think your interpretation of the cause is incorrect.

Have you ever thought about the fact that Japan has insanely long work hours, and that nobody has time to have kids, and that might be the problem? Not anime?

I don't expect you too, but a claim like this would need to be substantiated, even if it's unreasonable for you to write it down.

[The Stockholm Republic]

You can't suggest Anime is up to 50% responsible for Japan's demographic crisis and not have a source other than "I read it in a book a while ago".

The only difference is what people wank off to, not whether Japan has a demographic crisis.

I said that some sociologists suggested it. And I don't have a source; I don't write these things down like "oh this book says here that X" so that I can cite them later on in internet discussions. Also, I think your interpretation of the cause is incorrect.

What is your interpretation of the concept though?

[Dtn]

I strongly suspect most anime-obsessed shut-ins are found in the West.