Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[Riysa]

What's the problem with quad treads (i'm curious)?

Extra mechanical complexity, for starters. Its also easier to achieve a mobility kill and harder to repair, IIRC, on a quad-track.

[The Akasha Colony]

What's the problem with quad treads (i'm curious)?

Decreased ground contact length resulting in increased ground pressure, increased mechanical complexity since now there are four powered sprockets (rather than two) and often they're shown with some fancy articulation system for the track pods, increased weight from all of this new equipment (further increasing ground pressure) and no actual benefit, since a hit to any of them will still disable the tank.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

NS Non-Military Realism Consultation Thread Mk. 4 if anyone's interested.

[The Akasha Colony]

NS Non-Military Realism Consultation Thread Mk. 4 if anyone's interested.

How many times are you going to post that?

[Eahland]

And while a tank running on 3/4 tracks may retain some mobility, compared to a tank on 1/2 tracks, which can't do anything but spin in circles, it's not a useful degree of mobility. You're going to have to fix the tracks anyway to be really combat-effective, which if you win or escape the fight you can do, so the question is just whether crabbing along dragging a track unit is going to provide useful tactical maneuvering to help you win, or the speed to let you escape. And the answer in both cases is "no", so there's no point in paying all the other costs involved in quad tracks to get a little mobility that isn't going to actually do anything for you.

[Canuckland]

I've recently began to realize my fascination with older Soviet tanks, such as the T-54/55 and the T-62, and newer ones like the T-80 and T-84 (Because fuck the T-72). To be completely honest, I have not the slightest clue why I'm fascinated with these tanks, as they're not as good compared to their western equivalents. But I guess it starts here. This is a T-54/55 in Berlin, if I'm not mistaken. If I am, then forgive my Grade 8 textbook. Nevertheless, this was the first tank I examined closely. I then looked at older tanks, with thinner treads. I noticed this, and then began to examine that. Of course, we moved on in the unit, but I bookmarked that page. Every time I came across a tank I compared it to the T-54/55 in that book, until I found NS that is.

So, what role would such a tank play in the modern, western world? Would it be a light tank? Or otherwise? Or would it be deep in the scrap yards, kids running along in it and pretending they're a tank crew?

[The Akasha Colony]

I've recently began to realize my fascination with older Soviet tanks, such as the T-54/55 and the T-62, and newer ones like the T-80 and T-84 (Because fuck the T-72). To be completely honest, I have not the slightest clue why I'm fascinated with these tanks, as they're not as good compared to their western equivalents. But I guess it starts here. This is a T-54/55 in Berlin, if I'm not mistaken. If I am, then forgive my Grade 8 textbook. Nevertheless, this was the first tank I examined closely. I then looked at older tanks, with thinner treads. I noticed this, and then began to examine that. Of course, we moved on in the unit, but I bookmarked that page. Every time I came across a tank I compared it to the T-54/55 in that book, until I found NS that is.

So, what role would such a tank play in the modern, western world? Would it be a light tank? Or otherwise? Or would it be deep in the scrap yards, kids running along in it and pretending they're a tank crew?

A 'modern' country with sufficient budget to design and field its own tanks would likely have scrapped it, or at best put it in very deep reserve. The US doesn't even need to maintain the old M60s, they have a huge stockpile of M1s (partly because Congress keeps funding more and more to keep the plant open). Even the European countries have stockpiles of newer tanks to rely on, so there wouldn't be a need to keep these around.

Of course, many countries don't have that kind of budget which is why upgrade packages for these models are still marketed, but this is mostly for countries that already bought them and don't have enough money to fully replace them with newer models outright.

[Anatopyli]

Driven by the recent growth of the Anatopylian economy, the Defence Forces of Anatopyli have embarked on an upgrade program which aims to improve the capability of all seventy Magach 6B main battle tanks currently in service. The original turret will be replaced with one similar to that fitted to the Sabra Mk. II tank with several minor modifications, including the replacement of the large M19 cupola with the low-profile one fitted to the Sabra Mk. I turret and the inclusion of a Rafael Overhead Weapon Station. The older engine will also be replaced with a more powerful 1200 hp AVDS-1790-9A diesel engine, increasing the mobility of the vehicle and compensating for the heavier turret. As these upgrades are performed, each tank will also be inspected and worn parts will be replaced. These upgrades will be performed overseas, with ten Magach tanks sent away at a time. The upgraded vehicle will be known as the Stavrophóros Mk. I to the DFA.

[Lydenburg]

I've recently began to realize my fascination with older Soviet tanks, such as the T-54/55 and the T-62, and newer ones like the T-80 and T-84 (Because fuck the T-72). To be completely honest, I have not the slightest clue why I'm fascinated with these tanks, as they're not as good compared to their western equivalents. But I guess it starts here. This is a T-54/55 in Berlin, if I'm not mistaken. If I am, then forgive my Grade 8 textbook. Nevertheless, this was the first tank I examined closely. I then looked at older tanks, with thinner treads. I noticed this, and then began to examine that. Of course, we moved on in the unit, but I bookmarked that page. Every time I came across a tank I compared it to the T-54/55 in that book, until I found NS that is.

So, what role would such a tank play in the modern, western world? Would it be a light tank? Or otherwise? Or would it be deep in the scrap yards, kids running along in it and pretending they're a tank crew?

A 'modern' country with sufficient budget to design and field its own tanks would likely have scrapped it, or at best put it in very deep reserve. The US doesn't even need to maintain the old M60s, they have a huge stockpile of M1s (partly because Congress keeps funding more and more to keep the plant open). Even the European countries have stockpiles of newer tanks to rely on, so there wouldn't be a need to keep these around.

Of course, many countries don't have that kind of budget which is why upgrade packages for these models are still marketed, but this is mostly for countries that already bought them and don't have enough money to fully replace them with newer models outright.

Which at least a third of all the nations in the world.

For example, look at how many countries still operate T-34s.

[Questers]

Two?

[Lydenburg]

Two?

In Africa, any tank beats a technical.

Mozambique and Namibia, possibly some rebel groups in other nations, still have them. I recall seeing a picture by Reuters of one in Sudanese service less than four years ago. Let's not overlook that Libyan T-34s miraculously resurfaced during the 2011 uprising.

North Korea likes parading theirs around, but that probably doesn't count as being in active service.

[Questers]

Two?

In Africa, any tank beats a technical.

I'm sure for a fact that you know that this is not true.

[Novislavia]

Two?

Well, at least according to Wikipedia, 27 countries still have the T-34 in service as of 1996.

[Rich and Corporations]

In Africa, any tank beats a technical.

I'm sure for a fact that you know that this is not true.

Technicals are more mobile, easier to service, and are often armed with superior weaponry then T-34-76/85s, not counting the shortage of 76mm and 85mm ammunition.

[Lydenburg]

In Africa, any tank beats a technical.

I'm sure for a fact that you know that this is not true.

You know as well as anybody else why I like citing the Toyota War.

In this context, I'm merely stating the logic behind that reason.

[Lydenburg]

I'm sure for a fact that you know that this is not true.

Technicals are more mobile, easier to service, and are often armed with superior weaponry then T-34-76/85s, not counting the shortage of 76mm and 85mm ammunition.

Thank you, Toyota.

[Costa Fierro]

But I guess it starts here. This is a T-54/55 in Berlin, if I'm not mistaken.

Hmm. Well, off to the side we have a Praga truck. On top, we have a man waving what appears to be a Czech flag and the markings look remarkably like those used by Warsaw Pact countries during their invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968.

You might be thinking of this photo.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Two?

Well, at least according to Wikipedia, 27 countries still have the T-34 in service as of 1996.

1996 is nearly twenty years ago.

[New Vihenia]

Well here it goes..

The 158 mm gun a WIP Image.


Some introductionary specifications :

Gun Designation :Arclite-158mm "Valefor" Gun-Missile launcher.
Caliber :33

Total gun length :6.3 m
Chamber length : 1.094m
Projectile travel length (True Barrel Length) : 5.2 m
Chamber volume :0.023 cubic meter
Barrel mass : 1372.8 Kg
Recoilling mass : 2725 Kg
Total gun mass : 3585.8 Kg

Maximum chamber pressure (Firing APFSDS) : 6423 Bar
Maximum exit pressure (Firing APFSDS) :1549.7 Bar
Maximum allowable gun tube pressure :8600 Bar
Muzzle Velocity :800-1654 m/s depending on fired rounds.


The gun owner.. the IS-14 Edelweiss also WIP.


Some introductionary specs too :

IS-14 "Edelweiss" Experimental gun-missile experimental main battle tank.

Total length :10.64m
Total width :3.7 m
Total height to top of RWS : 2.9 m (kick the RWS and you'll got 2.3 m)

Total weight fully loaded :57000 Kg.
Propulsion type : Turboelectric with gas turbine generator.
maximum speed :60-65 km
range :450 km

Armor :Steel with composite insert
Suspension :Adjustable hydropenumatic suspension.

Armaments :
-158mm tank gun "Valefor"
-30mm machine gun Remote Weapon System
-30mm Coaxial heavy tank machine gun.


Writeup comes later... hmm

[Imperializt Russia]

What's the problem with quad treads (i'm curious)?

It means you have unsupported weight around the centre of the vehicle, which means you have a spike in peak ground pressure around that point and generally increase the average ground pressure.
As an unrelated subsequent issue, you have to have two sets of drivetrain to power both drive sprocket pairs. And one of those pairs is approximately in the centre of the vehicle, complicating maintenance and repair.

Plus that hatch on that vehicle might make for a weak spot in the hull.

[Rich and Corporations]

What's the problem with quad treads (i'm curious)?

It means you have unsupported weight around the centre of the vehicle, which means you have a spike in peak ground pressure around that point and generally increase the average ground pressure.
As an unrelated subsequent issue, you have to have two sets of drivetrain to power both drive sprocket pairs. And one of those pairs is approximately in the centre of the vehicle, complicating maintenance and repair.

Plus that hatch on that vehicle might make for a weak spot in the hull.

There are two types of quad treads.

[Welgium]

Well here it goes..

The 158 mm gun a WIP Image.
(Image)

Some introductionary specifications :

Gun Designation :Arclite-158mm "Valefor" Gun-Missile launcher.
Caliber :33

Total gun length :6.3 m
Chamber length : 1.094m
Projectile travel length (True Barrel Length) : 5.2 m
Chamber volume :0.023 cubic meter
Barrel mass : 1372.8 Kg
Recoilling mass : 2725 Kg
Total gun mass : 3585.8 Kg

Maximum chamber pressure (Firing APFSDS) : 6423 Bar
Maximum exit pressure (Firing APFSDS) :1549.7 Bar
Maximum allowable gun tube pressure :8600 Bar
Muzzle Velocity :800-1654 m/s depending on fired rounds.


The gun owner.. the IS-14 Edelweiss also WIP.

(Image)
Some introductionary specs too :

IS-14 "Edelweiss" Experimental gun-missile experimental main battle tank.

Total length :10.64m
Total width :3.7 m
Total height to top of RWS : 2.9 m (kick the RWS and you'll got 2.3 m)

Total weight fully loaded :57000 Kg.
Propulsion type : Turboelectric with gas turbine generator.
maximum speed :60-65 km
range :450 km

Armor :Steel with composite insert
Suspension :Adjustable hydropenumatic suspension.

Armaments :
-158mm tank gun "Valefor"
-30mm machine gun Remote Weapon System
-30mm Coaxial heavy tank machine gun.


Writeup comes later... hmm

What software did you use to make the model?

[Ea90]

Two?

Well, at least according to Wikipedia, 27 countries still have the T-34 in service as of 1996.

1996=/=2014

[Mizrad]

So how accurate is modern rocket artillery?

[Spirit of Hope]

So how accurate is modern rocket artillery?

If you include GPS systems, or other guidance systems it can be pin point accurate. Otherwise its rather accurate, mostly depends on how good your spotter is.