Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[The Akasha Colony]

Nah bro, don't you want a toilet, a kitchenette, weapons, food, and medical lockers, and your entrenching tools all inside the vehicle?

12x66cm revolver.

What the shit.

I don't even.

What.

80 rounds per minute guise. Abrams dun' got nothin' on that! All thanks to an open-bolt delayed-blowback system. Gee, why didn't we think of making some frankenstein tank cannon-revolver-automatic rifle hybrid?

>No butler for opening up the door for them and attending to their needs
>No world class chef for preparing food
>No interior decorator approved designs
>No home movie theatre
>No shrine to the dear leader of their nation for brainwashing purposes
>No cheerleading team
>No zoo with wild animals for emergency self defense and appreciation
>No emergency medical bay

i am disappoint

If Etihad can fit these on a plane, why can't they put it in a tank?

[Kampala-]

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Pfft, none of your pathetic tanks could ever beat the mighty Churchill.

None as in ever? Or none as in era?

Because Sherman Firefly lols @ u.

Churchill would beat a Firefly.

[Premislyd]

Leopard Mk I**

Is it bad that I like the Leo 1 more than the Leo 2

[Arkandros]

Nah bro, don't you want a toilet, a kitchenette, weapons, food, and medical lockers, and your entrenching tools all inside the vehicle?

12x66cm revolver.

What the shit.

I don't even.

What.

Can someone re-explain how the flashgap is sealed? It seemed like the entire (probably multiton) cycling mechanism slid forward on a piston assembly, but that seems like it would be really hard to do, particularly in the limited space available in a tank.
Never mind! Not what I thought it was.

[San-Silvacian]

80 rounds per minute guise. Abrams dun' got nothin' on that! All thanks to an open-bolt delayed-blowback system. Gee, why didn't we think of making some frankenstein tank cannon-revolver-automatic rifle hybrid?

I wouldn't hate it so much if it wasn't so fucking obnoxious.

Anemos markets some rly cool stuff, but does in a rather nice way, even on his storefront he does it pretty well, but not FUCK EVERYTHING YOU HAVE ASRIGUSISU INDUSTRIES IS BETTER THAN EVERYTHING YOU HAVE BUZZWORD BUZZWORD BUZZWORD ULTRA-LETHAL (as opposed to moderately lethal?) BUZZWORD BUZZWORD.

And yes open-bolt delayed-blowback system on a tank is rly good thing k.

Also being able to carry 60 rounds of 12x66cm whatever.

Its also ETC from the looks of it. <3

[Arkandros]

None as in ever? Or none as in era?

Because Sherman Firefly lols @ u.

Churchill would beat a Firefly.

Then the 17 Pdr M10 Achilles laughs at you. Or any tank built after 1950. The Churchill was replaced, after all.

[Licana]

80 rounds per minute guise. Abrams dun' got nothin' on that! All thanks to an open-bolt delayed-blowback system. Gee, why didn't we think of making some frankenstein tank cannon-revolver-automatic rifle hybrid?

Also doubles as light howitzer. Considering the stated range/accuracy, I have to assume that this is an actual intended purpose of this vehicle.

My favourite is actually the secondary armament. 300 rpm firing a 4 MJ, 5128 m/s KEP out of an RMK-30 knock off.

[Rich and Corporations]

Everything in a tank should be within arm's reach anyway; can't waste time or space trying to clamber around inside the compartment.

Nah bro, don't you want a toilet, a kitchenette, weapons, food, and medical lockers, and your entrenching tools all inside the vehicle?

how do you stay sane?

[The Akasha Colony]

80 rounds per minute guise. Abrams dun' got nothin' on that! All thanks to an open-bolt delayed-blowback system. Gee, why didn't we think of making some frankenstein tank cannon-revolver-automatic rifle hybrid?

I wouldn't hate it so much if it wasn't so fucking obnoxious.

Anemos markets some rly cool stuff, but does in a rather nice way, even on his storefront he does it pretty well, but not FUCK EVERYTHING YOU HAVE ASRIGUSISU INDUSTRIES IS BETTER THAN EVERYTHING YOU HAVE BUZZWORD BUZZWORD BUZZWORD ULTRA-LETHAL (as opposed to moderately lethal?) BUZZWORD BUZZWORD.

And yes open-bolt delayed-blowback system on a tank is rly good thing k.

Also being able to carry 60 rounds of 12x66cm whatever.

Its also ETC from the looks of it. <3

One thing that slightly annoys me about a lot of designs (including some of the best ones) is that the write up often tends to include an excessive amount of detail, most of it pretty common sense. It tends to lead to absolutely massive paragraphs and extremely long sections, often describing concepts that can either be better described by looking it up alone or which could be determined from the name itself. For instance, Yohannes' Panthera write up included a very long section about the exact layout of the hybrid drivetrain, the configuration of the engine, and its advantages, whereas most of this information could be easily gleaned from a brief Wikipedia search of the relevant terms.

I suppose it's a side effect of the combination of encyclopedia article and sales pitch that most tanks in GE&T have in order to boost customer numbers and look competitive. Part of it might also be how far these tanks tend to push technology, such that the obscure scientific papers being referenced often don't show up on more general-purpose websites. And then there's often a sprinkling of IC history to justify why designers went this far. When I wrote the article for the Jaguar II on IIWiki, I rather liberally applied the [[wpl]] template to link to relevant Wikipedia articles in order to keep the tank's own article shorter and to the point. Anything more just gets put in the big stat box at the bottom.

It's a personal peeve to be sure, and I suppose it makes good business sense to toss so much information at people especially given that most GE&T buyers are easily impressed with a bit of lineart and a big writeup.



That aside, back to mocking:

Both the primary and secondary guns seem to somehow be recoilless, while the tank itself is protected by a whopping 130 mm of steel armor plus NxRA. That last part I find somewhat puzzling, since the author has clearly seen enough to have heard of NxRA, and to even be able to claim a nitrate-based filler for it (not terribly different from the one I use), but has somehow neglected to use any sort of heavy metals or composites in the armor at all and given it the sort of protection expected from a WWII heavy tank rather than an NS wanktank.

I also like the part where it says it doesn't need a sabot for the special HVC ammunition, and then three paragraphs later says that the APFSDS needs a sabot.

[Krasny-Volny]

I wouldn't hate it so much if it wasn't so fucking obnoxious.

Anemos markets some rly cool stuff, but does in a rather nice way, even on his storefront he does it pretty well, but not FUCK EVERYTHING YOU HAVE ASRIGUSISU INDUSTRIES IS BETTER THAN EVERYTHING YOU HAVE BUZZWORD BUZZWORD BUZZWORD ULTRA-LETHAL (as opposed to moderately lethal?) BUZZWORD BUZZWORD.

And yes open-bolt delayed-blowback system on a tank is rly good thing k.

Also being able to carry 60 rounds of 12x66cm whatever.

Its also ETC from the looks of it. <3

One thing that slightly annoys me about a lot of designs (including some of the best ones) is that the write up often tends to include an excessive amount of detail, most of it pretty common sense. It tends to lead to absolutely massive paragraphs and extremely long sections, often describing concepts that can either be better described by looking it up alone or which could be determined from the name itself. For instance, Yohannes' Panthera write up included a very long section about the exact layout of the hybrid drivetrain, the configuration of the engine, and its advantages, whereas most of this information could be easily gleaned from a brief Wikipedia search of the relevant terms.

I suppose it's a side effect of the combination of encyclopedia article and sales pitch that most tanks in GE&T have in order to boost customer numbers and look competitive. Part of it might also be how far these tanks tend to push technology, such that the obscure scientific papers being referenced often don't show up on more general-purpose websites. And then there's often a sprinkling of IC history to justify why designers went this far. When I wrote the article for the Jaguar II on IIWiki, I rather liberally applied the [[wpl]] template to link to relevant Wikipedia articles in order to keep the tank's own article shorter and to the point. Anything more just gets put in the big stat box at the bottom.

It's a personal peeve to be sure, and I suppose it makes good business sense to toss so much information at people especially given that most GE&T buyers are easily impressed with a bit of lineart and a big writeup.

Excessive amount of text expounding on commonplace topics annoys me, too.

Nevertheless I think some technical gobbledygook is necessary to expound on the little details which make your particular system (whether it's engine, armament, electronics, etc) unique - not necessarily superior - in many respects to others in their class, whether NS or RL - and garner appreciation from the more informed customers.

[Krasny-Volny]

80 rounds per minute guise. Abrams dun' got nothin' on that! All thanks to an open-bolt delayed-blowback system. Gee, why didn't we think of making some frankenstein tank cannon-revolver-automatic rifle hybrid?

I wouldn't hate it so much if it wasn't so fucking obnoxious.

Anemos markets some rly cool stuff, but does in a rather nice way, even on his storefront he does it pretty well, but not FUCK EVERYTHING YOU HAVE ASRIGUSISU INDUSTRIES IS BETTER THAN EVERYTHING YOU HAVE BUZZWORD BUZZWORD BUZZWORD ULTRA-LETHAL (as opposed to moderately lethal?) BUZZWORD BUZZWORD.

And yes open-bolt delayed-blowback system on a tank is rly good thing k.

Also being able to carry 60 rounds of 12x66cm whatever.

Its also ETC from the looks of it. <3

I think it's supposed to be a Merkava.

The buzzword shit annoys me almost as much as the marketing of a bullshit NS product next to images of an RL vehicle with RL stats. Almost.

[Black Hand]

So for a dedicated modern Tank destroyer what would be Ideal armament?

[Mitheldalond]

So for a dedicated modern Tank destroyer what would be Ideal armament?

ATGMs

[Black Hand]

So for a dedicated modern Tank destroyer what would be Ideal armament?

ATGMs

Would a Javelin like ATGM work?
It's fire and forget and supposedly quite potent, I'm just assuming that a Reloadable launcher would be ideal

[Rich and Corporations]

One thing that slightly annoys me about a lot of designs (including some of the best ones) is that the write up often tends to include an excessive amount of detail, most of it pretty common sense. It tends to lead to absolutely massive paragraphs and extremely long sections, often describing concepts that can either be better described by looking it up alone or which could be determined from the name itself. For instance, Yohannes' Panthera write up included a very long section about the exact layout of the hybrid drivetrain, the configuration of the engine, and its advantages, whereas most of this information could be easily gleaned from a brief Wikipedia search of the relevant terms.

http://web.archive.org/web/20121105212645/http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=147849
Honestly, the Panthera doesn't even explain how it works. It goes into detail, but it doesn't further the comprehension of the reader. It's more akin to technobabble then anything else and certainly doesn't offer any comparative details.

Amusingly, Prius-style drivetrains aren't being used for heavy vehicles.

The HybriDrive system replaces the gearbox, alternator and starter motor with a three-phase brushless alternator serving as a generator, two powerful motor-generators, a computerized shunt system to control the afforementioned devices, a mechanical power splitter that acts as a second differential, and a battery pack that serves as an energy reservoir. The motor-generator uses power from the battery pack to propel the vehicle at startup and at low speeds or under acceleration. The ICE may or may not be running at startup. When higher speeds, faster acceleration or more power for charging the batteries is needed the ICE is started by the motor-generator, acting as a starter motor.

I'm telling you, this is meaningless to typical armchair generals.

[Anacasppia]

Leopard Mk I**

Is it bad that I like the Leo 1 more than the Leo 2

Prem you're not alone.

In my case its something to do with the fact that Leo 1 was a pretty good tank relative to its contemporaries but the Leo 2...not so.

[The Kievan People]

So for a dedicated modern Tank destroyer what would be Ideal armament?

Brimstone missile.

[The Animarium]

Our general military does not use vehicles, preferring guerrilla tactics. I special units, however, have developed vehicles for military use. These were done under projects hidden from the general populace.

Project Rescue Vehicles

This project also produced a jet.

Project Thunder was commissioned alongside Project Wind and Project Samurai

This project also produced a jet.

This project also produced a ship, a submarine and a jet.

[Black Hand]

Our general military does not use vehicles, preferring guerrilla tactics. I special units, however, have developed vehicles for military use. These were done under projects hidden from the general populace.

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Project Rescue Vehicles

This project also produced a jet.

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Project Thunder was commissioned alongside Project Wind and Project Samurai
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This project also produced a jet.
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This project also produced a ship, a submarine and a jet.
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[Rich and Corporations]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9A9oxJ ... e=youtu.be

T-34

best russian tank, being used by russians, fighting to lose their freedom

[Consortium of Manchukuo]

Is it bad that I like the Leo 1 more than the Leo 2

Prem you're not alone.

In my case its something to do with the fact that Leo 1 was a pretty good tank relative to its contemporaries but the Leo 2...not so.

What is wrong with the Leopard 2? That isn't a defense of it, I just don't know enough about modern tanks beyond general specifics to be able to judge them effectively and would like to try to know some more information regarding this. All I could see for it that was bad was its torsion bar suspension, and its height (Which had some different sites putting conflicting stuff out there, but wikipedia's 3 meters seems unnaturally tall given that no other modern Western MBT has that sort of height).

Leclerc is better anyway. Great glory to amx-56.

[The Akasha Colony]

What is wrong with the Leopard 2? That isn't a defense of it, I just don't know enough about modern tanks beyond general specifics to be able to judge them effectively and would like to try to know some more information regarding this. All I could see for it that was bad was its torsion bar suspension, and its height (Which had some different sites putting conflicting stuff out there, but wikipedia's 3 meters seems unnaturally tall given that no other modern Western MBT has that sort of height).

Leclerc is better anyway. Great glory to amx-56.

There's been a lot of hate in regards to its ammunition storage, which places a good deal of the reserve ammo in a box right in the front hull right next to the driver, potentially in the path of any penetrating ordnance from the frontal arc. As well as the fact that relative to the Abrams, it hasn't had nearly as much combat history.

[Rich and Corporations]

Prem you're not alone.

In my case its something to do with the fact that Leo 1 was a pretty good tank relative to its contemporaries but the Leo 2...not so.

What is wrong with the Leopard 2? That isn't a defense of it, I just don't know enough about modern tanks beyond general specifics to be able to judge them effectively and would like to try to know some more information regarding this. All I could see for it that was bad was its torsion bar suspension, and its height (Which had some different sites putting conflicting stuff out there, but wikipedia's 3 meters seems unnaturally tall given that no other modern Western MBT has that sort of height).

Leclerc is better anyway. Great glory to amx-56.

all tanks are tall if you include their roof machine guns

[Questers]

Prem you're not alone.

In my case its something to do with the fact that Leo 1 was a pretty good tank relative to its contemporaries but the Leo 2...not so.

What is wrong with the Leopard 2? That isn't a defense of it, I just don't know enough about modern tanks beyond general specifics to be able to judge them effectively and would like to try to know some more information regarding this. All I could see for it that was bad was its torsion bar suspension, and its height (Which had some different sites putting conflicting stuff out there, but wikipedia's 3 meters seems unnaturally tall given that no other modern Western MBT has that sort of height).

Leclerc is better anyway. Great glory to amx-56.

Tank design by nation.

Russian tanks are designed to win winter.
Chinese tanks are designed by Russia.
Japanese tanks are designed to win anime.
German tanks are designed to win racecourses.
French tanks are designed to win beauty competitions.
American tanks are designed to win congress.
British tanks are designed to win battles.

[Vitaphone Racing]

What is wrong with the Leopard 2? That isn't a defense of it, I just don't know enough about modern tanks beyond general specifics to be able to judge them effectively and would like to try to know some more information regarding this. All I could see for it that was bad was its torsion bar suspension, and its height (Which had some different sites putting conflicting stuff out there, but wikipedia's 3 meters seems unnaturally tall given that no other modern Western MBT has that sort of height).

Leclerc is better anyway. Great glory to amx-56.

Tank design by nation.

Russian tanks are designed to win winter.
Chinese tanks are designed by Russia.
Japanese tanks are designed to win anime.
German tanks are designed to win racecourses.
French tanks are designed to win beauty competitions.
American tanks are designed to win congress.
British tanks are designed to win battles.

I've got to know, what's the Ariete for?