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Imperializt Russia
39
25%
Anemos Major
52
33%
Questers
8
5%
Dragomere
21
13%
Dostanuot Loj
5
3%
The Kievan People
22
14%
Oaledonia
12
8%
 
Total votes : 159

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Imperializt Russia
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:02 pm

Mozria wrote:How could I figure out the yield strength of my KEP?

A 12MJ shot at the muzzle is approximate to ~2.5kg of TNT and clearly acts very differently to those 2kg of TNT.

I don't think the yield equivalence is relevant at the small scales.
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Mozria
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Postby Mozria » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:18 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Mozria wrote:How could I figure out the yield strength of my KEP?

A 12MJ shot at the muzzle is approximate to ~2.5kg of TNT and clearly acts very differently to those 2kg of TNT.

I don't think the yield equivalence is relevant at the small scales.

Apparently it is relevant in the table. 120 mm M829 DU penetrators (as I am sure the table is made for) apparently have a yield strength of ~1,700 MPa.

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Rich and Corporations
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:20 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Mozria wrote:How could I figure out the yield strength of my KEP?

A 12MJ shot at the muzzle is approximate to ~2.5kg of TNT and clearly acts very differently to those 2kg of TNT.

I don't think the yield equivalence is relevant at the small scales.

how many grammes of TNT is required to make a shaped charge?
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Imperializt Russia
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:21 pm

Mozria wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:A 12MJ shot at the muzzle is approximate to ~2.5kg of TNT and clearly acts very differently to those 2kg of TNT.

I don't think the yield equivalence is relevant at the small scales.

Apparently it is relevant in the table. 120 mm M829 DU penetrators (as I am sure the table is made for) apparently have a yield strength of ~1,700 MPa.

I completely misunderstood what you were asking.
Carry on and ignore my post.
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Mozria
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Postby Mozria » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:41 pm

I wonder, would giving a high-velocity but high weight penetrator a wide nose (wider than the shaft) generate incredible spalling like I think it would?

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Radictistan
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Postby Radictistan » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:56 pm

Is there any data at all on the CKEM penetrator? I'm beginning to wonder if my not!CKEM/CKEMski is really worthwhile.

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Kouralia
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Postby Kouralia » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:00 pm

Radictistan wrote:Is there any data at all on the CKEM penetrator? I'm beginning to wonder if my not!CKEM/CKEMski is really worthwhile.

I managed to find that it was capable of penetrating a Goa'uld light tank's shield as it apparently has more momentum than an APFSDS of my MBT. Which is good, b/c otherwise I'm fucked.
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Macedonian Grand Empire
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:25 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:Why demand a 140mm ETC gun?
A 140mm gun will kill anything anyway.

Cause not always on NS you can chose who will be on the other side. I had my run ins with 200 tones heavy tanks, tanks armed with up to 155 mm ETC guns and so on.
The 140 mm gun yes it will kill everything now. But why not be prepared. The M7 Tigers have a standard 140 mm L 45 smoothbore gun. In constant warfare there is noting bad with an overkill.
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Novorden
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Postby Novorden » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:25 pm

Radictistan wrote:Is there any data at all on the CKEM penetrator? I'm beginning to wonder if my not!CKEM/CKEMski is really worthwhile.

I believe it has an impact energy of ~36Mj

35 Mj impact energy

for reference;
APFSDS muzzle energy
105mm: 6-9MJ
120mm: 10-13MJ
140mm: 22MJ
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The Kievan People
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Postby The Kievan People » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:28 pm

Radictistan wrote:Is there any data at all on the CKEM penetrator? I'm beginning to wonder if my not!CKEM/CKEMski is really worthwhile.


No. There is no information at all on the size or design of the CKEMs penetrator.
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Postby Virana » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:45 pm

Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Why demand a 140mm ETC gun?
A 140mm gun will kill anything anyway.

Cause not always on NS you can chose who will be on the other side. I had my run ins with 200 tones heavy tanks, tanks armed with up to 155 mm ETC guns and so on.
The 140 mm gun yes it will kill everything now. But why not be prepared. The M7 Tigers have a standard 140 mm L 45 smoothbore gun. In constant warfare there is noting bad with an overkill.

If someone is using 200 tonne heavy tanks or tanks armed with 155 mm ETC, and they don't understand the disadvantages of using or operating them, you shouldn't RP with them :P
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Mozria
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Postby Mozria » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:30 pm

Alright, this is what I have ended up with:

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The Kievan People
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Postby The Kievan People » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:02 pm

I see a very different penetration number right there.
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Purpelia
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Founded: Oct 19, 2010
Libertarian Police State

Postby Purpelia » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:03 pm

Given that we are doing AP rounds I have to ask. Does anyone have any skill with APCR?
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Mozria
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Postby Mozria » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:18 pm

The Kievan People wrote:I see a very different penetration number right there.

Oops. I didn't actually notice that. I was referring to the perforation limit calculator, which I found (after I posted the updated image) did not accurately represent the penetrator.

Thank you for pointing it out! I will edit the post immediately.

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Roski
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Postby Roski » Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:44 pm

Virana wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:Cause not always on NS you can chose who will be on the other side. I had my run ins with 200 tones heavy tanks, tanks armed with up to 155 mm ETC guns and so on.
The 140 mm gun yes it will kill everything now. But why not be prepared. The M7 Tigers have a standard 140 mm L 45 smoothbore gun. In constant warfare there is noting bad with an overkill.

If someone is using 200 tonne heavy tanks or tanks armed with 155 mm ETC, and they don't understand the disadvantages of using or operating them, you shouldn't RP with them :P


Well, if they are built really well, I could see how they would be useful.
But they can't drive to their own places. Hell no.
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Macedonian Grand Empire
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:17 pm

Virana wrote:
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:Cause not always on NS you can chose who will be on the other side. I had my run ins with 200 tones heavy tanks, tanks armed with up to 155 mm ETC guns and so on.
The 140 mm gun yes it will kill everything now. But why not be prepared. The M7 Tigers have a standard 140 mm L 45 smoothbore gun. In constant warfare there is noting bad with an overkill.

If someone is using 200 tonne heavy tanks or tanks armed with 155 mm ETC, and they don't understand the disadvantages of using or operating them, you shouldn't RP with them :P

Well maybe. But still having armor is a good thing. Considering that in my timeline I RP with probable technology of around 2018-2020. But still I am talking earlier. I have done several of my errors and that is what I am trying to fix now.
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The Kievan People
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Postby The Kievan People » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:42 pm

http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Panzer_96

Only three years from conception to wiki! Eat my dust Rroan! :lol:
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Registug
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Postby Registug » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:44 pm

>Kyiv posts a tank design

I'm so new I didn't even know this kinda shit happened!
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New Korongo
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Postby New Korongo » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:47 pm

The Kievan People wrote:http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Panzer_96

Only three years from conception to wiki! Eat my dust Rroan! :lol:

No commander's weapon?

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Postby The Kievan People » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:48 pm

New Korongo wrote:No commander's weapon?


No room. Unmanned turret.

Edit: I have pix but they are delayed because I need to redraw the tracks and... tracks. Ughhh.
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Your Nation's Main Battle Tank (No Mechs)
10/06/2009 - 23/02/2013
Gone but not forgotten
DEUS STATUS: ( X ) VULT ( ) NOT VULT
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Postby New Korongo » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:52 pm

The Kievan People wrote:No room. Unmanned turret.

Edit: I have pix but they are delayed because I need to redraw the tracks and... tracks. Ughhh.

That makes sense. Can't wait to see the picture.

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Postby San-Silvacian » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:59 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
New Korongo wrote:No commander's weapon?


No room. Unmanned turret.

Edit: I have pix but they are delayed because I need to redraw the tracks and... tracks. Ughhh.


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Postby The Akasha Colony » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:22 pm

Mozria wrote:I wonder, would giving a high-velocity but high weight penetrator a wide nose (wider than the shaft) generate incredible spalling like I think it would?


Spalling isn't really something to rely on, it will reduce penetration overall which means you're trading penetrating power for potential post-penetration effects. Worry about those after you've gotten through the target's armor first. Designs that are meant to increase post-penetration effects like PELE generally put their fragmenting sections at the rear, so the front of the penetrator can do its work and once it's punched through, then the fragmentation can begin.

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Only three years from conception to wiki! Eat my dust Rroan! :lol:


S-someone used my design criteria box? :o

And long awaited information about the vaunted Kyiv mystery tank!
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Postby Gallia- » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:55 pm

The Kievan People wrote:http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Panzer_96

Only three years from conception to wiki! Eat my dust Rroan! :lol:


Is this the true name of The Beast? o:

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