Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Type 6

[Anemos Major]

Autonomously. As in, the tank gets sent, or even programmed in person, orders and it carries them out, without anyone actually controlling it. Not remote control.

As Samozny has already noted - 'No.'

There're plenty of ways in which to approach this issue, but I'll take the easiest slant. How do you program 'ethics' into a computer?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

The JLH family just got a bit bigger.

From top to bottom: Base Export Variant/APC, ATGM tank destroyer, Fire support 120mm Mortar, and Weewoo Variant. Any comments/questions/concerns?

[Spirit of Hope]

I would say Bad Idea. While you can make a tank remote control, it probably isn't going to work out well. However your communicating with the tank it can be james or severed, leaving the tank defenseless. You would probably end up dealing with lag time between tank and controllers in some way, and situation awareness will probably drop a little do to not being on the field.

Autonomously. As in, the tank gets sent, or even programmed in person, orders and it carries them out, without anyone actually controlling it. Not remote control.

I don't think you could pull that off with modern tech. Drive a given path, maybe. Figure out a path to use, maybe. Shoot at designated targets, maybe. Recognize certain targets, maybe. Choose ammo for certain targets, maybe. Network with other tanks, infantry, helicopters, and other ground units, maybe. That is a whole lot of maybes, most of them verging on Not Possible. And thats without giving into the big things like what Anemos just asked you.

Plus all that programing will go out the window when the enemy figures out parts of the programing and figures out ways around it. Think, how is your tank recognizing other tanks? Well the enemy figures that out and uses camouflage to make sure whatever system your using no longer recognizes them.

[Luepola]

Autonomously. As in, the tank gets sent, or even programmed in person, orders and it carries them out, without anyone actually controlling it. Not remote control.

As Samozny has already noted - 'No.'

There're plenty of ways in which to approach this issue, but I'll take the easiest slant. How do you program 'ethics' into a computer?

Autonomously. As in, the tank gets sent, or even programmed in person, orders and it carries them out, without anyone actually controlling it. Not remote control.

I don't think you could pull that off with modern tech. Drive a given path, maybe. Figure out a path to use, maybe. Shoot at designated targets, maybe. Recognize certain targets, maybe. Choose ammo for certain targets, maybe. Network with other tanks, infantry, helicopters, and other ground units, maybe. That is a whole lot of maybes, most of them verging on Not Possible. And thats without giving into the big things like what Anemos just asked you.

Plus all that programing will go out the window when the enemy figures out parts of the programing and figures out ways around it. Think, how is your tank recognizing other tanks? Well the enemy figures that out and uses camouflage to make sure whatever system your using no longer recognizes them.

Good points.

To respond to Anemos, I then thought of the idea that I could possibly incorporate it into a Tank Destroyer instead, so that it would only target armored vehicles preprogrammed into the system without losing much versatility. But then I saw SoH's post.

In any case, though, I'm still wondering how people have seemed to get away with in on UAVs (If I'm not mistaken). Is it because of different circumstances/uses?

[Spirit of Hope]

Good points.

To respond to Anemos, I then thought of the idea that I could possibly incorporate it into a Tank Destroyer instead, so that it would only target armored vehicles preprogrammed into the system without losing much versatility. But then I saw SoH's post.

In any case, though, I'm still wondering how people have seemed to get away with in on UAVs (If I'm not mistaken). Is it because of different circumstances/uses?

UAV's aren't autonomously controlled, they are remotely controlled from a base.

[Luepola]

Good points.

To respond to Anemos, I then thought of the idea that I could possibly incorporate it into a Tank Destroyer instead, so that it would only target armored vehicles preprogrammed into the system without losing much versatility. But then I saw SoH's post.

In any case, though, I'm still wondering how people have seemed to get away with in on UAVs (If I'm not mistaken). Is it because of different circumstances/uses?

UAV's aren't autonomously controlled, they are remotely controlled from a base.

I've heard though that they've made fully autonomous UAVs though, even if not used on an extensive scale. Is this true, or is there some component of them that is human controlled beyond preprogrammed orders?

[Vitaphone Racing]

UAV's aren't autonomously controlled, they are remotely controlled from a base.

I've heard though that they've made fully autonomous UAVs though, even if not used on an extensive scale. Is this true, or is there some component of them that is human controlled beyond preprogrammed orders?

Eventually they will, but not for the forseeable future. Autonomous objects can be programmed to "think" so to speak, but not to think critically.

[Spirit of Hope]

UAV's aren't autonomously controlled, they are remotely controlled from a base.

I've heard though that they've made fully autonomous UAVs though, even if not used on an extensive scale. Is this true, or is there some component of them that is human controlled beyond preprogrammed orders?

The closest any might come to fully autonomous are maybe some of the smaller recon platforms. And all they would do is fly out do some circles and then land. Almost all others are remote controlled, either from the US or units in the field. Even the smallest ones I've seen have a remote control.

[Registug]

Would the Stryker and LAV-25 be a good wheeled vehicle combination to field? Is there something else I'm missing? Also I know this might be a stupid question, but is the Stryker amphibious?

NZLAV and ASLAV are better

Embrace the ANZAC. We have air conditioning.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Would the Stryker and LAV-25 be a good wheeled vehicle combination to field? Is there something else I'm missing? Also I know this might be a stupid question, but is the Stryker amphibious?

NZLAV and ASLAV are better

Embrace the ANZAC. We have air conditioning.

We frigging need it too. ASLAV in 40 degrees = death

[Registug]

I don't know why no one else has done it, what with all the fighting in the middle east.

You're going to a desert in a big metal box. Air conditioning would be good for the crew.

Pretty sure anyone driving M1 AIMs would be the most comfortable tankers in the theatre.

[Anemos Major]

I don't know why no one else has done it, what with all the fighting in the middle east.

You're going to a desert in a big metal box. Air conditioning would be good for the crew.

Pretty sure anyone driving M1 AIMs would be the most comfortable tankers in the theatre.

Leclerc, and it's associated UAE export variant, have - less for the crew, more for the electronics.

[Rich and Corporations]

I don't know why no one else has done it, what with all the fighting in the middle east.

You're going to a desert in a big metal box. Air conditioning would be good for the crew.

Pretty sure anyone driving M1 AIMs would be the most comfortable tankers in the theatre.

Statistics on the M1 with aircon aren't very... comfortable to begin with.

[Lydenburg]

Ratel-90's replacement:

[The Akasha Colony]

I've heard though that they've made fully autonomous UAVs though, even if not used on an extensive scale. Is this true, or is there some component of them that is human controlled beyond preprogrammed orders?

They can be programmed to fly a normal course of waypoints to observe the enemy or some such, but that's a far cry from the programming complexity needed to build a system that can accurately identify enemy targets. Consider all the factors the human brain uses to determine whether a potential target is an enemy: appearance (which is hard enough for computers to recognize), posture, behavior, likelihood of an enemy appearing in this particular area, etc.

Then there's the programs required to allow it to actually engage and formulate a plan of attack to maximize advantage and minimize losses; something better than just 'point gun, load round, and shoot.'

[Registug]

I don't know why no one else has done it, what with all the fighting in the middle east.

You're going to a desert in a big metal box. Air conditioning would be good for the crew.

Pretty sure anyone driving M1 AIMs would be the most comfortable tankers in the theatre.

Statistics on the M1 with aircon aren't very... comfortable to begin with.

Yeah, could you explain please? Don't really get what's being said here.

[Rich and Corporations]

Statistics on the M1 with aircon aren't very... comfortable to begin with.

Yeah, could you explain please? Don't really get what's being said here.

Another improvement in the M1A2 SEP is the Thermal Management System (TMS) which keeps the temperature within the crew compartment under 95 degrees and the touch temperature of electronic units under 125 degrees during extreme conditions. By reducing the temperature in the crew compartment for the crew and electronic units, this increases the operational capability for both soldiers and the vehicle. The TMS consists of an Air Handling Unit (AHU) and a Vapor Compression System Unit (VCSU) capable of providing 7.5 Kilowatts of cooling capacity for the crew and Line Repairable Units (LRUs). The AHU is mounted in the turret bustle and the VCSU is mounted forward of the Gunner's Primary Sight (GPS). The TMS uses enviromentally friendly R134a refrigerant and propylene glycol/water mixture to maintain the LRU touch temperature at less than 140 degrees Fahrenheit. The TMS is mounted in the left side of turret bussel and weighs 384 pounds.

[Registug]

Yeah, could you explain please? Don't really get what's being said here.

Another improvement in the M1A2 SEP is the Thermal Management System (TMS) which keeps the temperature within the crew compartment under 95 degrees and the touch temperature of electronic units under 125 degrees during extreme conditions. By reducing the temperature in the crew compartment for the crew and electronic units, this increases the operational capability for both soldiers and the vehicle. The TMS consists of an Air Handling Unit (AHU) and a Vapor Compression System Unit (VCSU) capable of providing 7.5 Kilowatts of cooling capacity for the crew and Line Repairable Units (LRUs). The AHU is mounted in the turret bustle and the VCSU is mounted forward of the Gunner's Primary Sight (GPS). The TMS uses enviromentally friendly R134a refrigerant and propylene glycol/water mixture to maintain the LRU touch temperature at less than 140 degrees Fahrenheit. The TMS is mounted in the left side of turret bussel and weighs 384 pounds.

Okay, I get it now

[Lamoni]

Okay, I get it now

There are also water cooling garments that tank crews can wear, but that's pretty much the limit, as far as crew temperature comfort goes.

[Virana]

While crew comfort is partially a concern, one of the main uses for air conditioning in armored vehicles (esp in the desert) is to prevent computers/electronics from overheating iirc.

[The Akasha Colony]

Okay, I get it now

There are also water cooling garments that tank crews can wear, but that's pretty much the limit, as far as crew temperature comfort goes.

There are forced-air circulation garments as well, which have generally proven to actually be better at reducing fatigue since they can be lighter and more moisture-wicking. The problem with a conventional air conditioning system is that much of this air will simply be lost if the commander chooses to fight heads-up with the hatch open, which is mitigated if a closed-loop system is used.

[Rich and Corporations]

While crew comfort is partially a concern, one of the main uses for air conditioning in armored vehicles (esp in the desert) is to prevent computers/electronics from overheating iirc.

You're in a big metal box, with a large heat source in the rear, and heat generators from the electronics and hydraulics.
NS-scale air conditioning is impossible.

[Lamoni]

There are also water cooling garments that tank crews can wear, but that's pretty much the limit, as far as crew temperature comfort goes.

There are forced-air circulation garments as well, which have generally proven to actually be better at reducing fatigue since they can be lighter and more moisture-wicking. The problem with a conventional air conditioning system is that much of this air will simply be lost if the commander chooses to fight heads-up with the hatch open, which is mitigated if a closed-loop system is used.

My Google-fu must be weak today, for I could only find this when looking at such garments:

http://www.veskimo.com/

[Registug]

Cooling is better than no cooling, at least

[The Akasha Colony]

There are forced-air circulation garments as well, which have generally proven to actually be better at reducing fatigue since they can be lighter and more moisture-wicking. The problem with a conventional air conditioning system is that much of this air will simply be lost if the commander chooses to fight heads-up with the hatch open, which is mitigated if a closed-loop system is used.

My Google-fu must be weak today, for I could only find this when looking at such garments:

http://www.veskimo.com/

This was posted before here, I think it was from Kyiv: LINK.