NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #5

[Ea90]

He is an engineer.

Forgive me if I find that rather hard to believe.

[Registug]

He is an engineer.

Forgive me if I find that rather hard to believe.

He's in our region

If you were actually AROUND to do Sapphire things...

[Ea90]

Forgive me if I find that rather hard to believe.

He's in our region

If you were actually AROUND to do Sapphire things...

;_;
that hurt

[Yes Im Biop]

He is an engineer.

Forgive me if I find that rather hard to believe.

Not forgiven.


Also guys. I'm now working on ammo for my 20mm AMR

[Purpelia]

Random question. Pretending for a moment that you don't know what I was IRL. What would you think I was?

*This is actually relevant to the thread but I can't tell you why or else spoilers.

[Yes Im Biop]

Random question. Pretending for a moment that you don't know what I was IRL. What would you think I was?

*This is actually relevant to the thread but I can't tell you why or else spoilers.

A mad scientist, or a serial killer

[Questers]

Random question. Pretending for a moment that you don't know what I was IRL. What would you think I was?

*This is actually relevant to the thread but I can't tell you why or else spoilers.

German.

[Ea90]

Random question. Pretending for a moment that you don't know what I was IRL. What would you think I was?

*This is actually relevant to the thread but I can't tell you why or else spoilers.

German.

no need to repeat what biop said

[Purpelia]

Anything else? I need stuff to work with...

[Questers]

Well, there's always the corollary of German ...

[Riysa]

Anything else? I need stuff to work with...

Politically active?

[The Nuclear Fist]

NS-worthy?
You start by jamming it full of electronic equipment.

Commie tanks had fewer electronics because their computing in the Cold War was not advanced as the West, amongst other reasons.

I'm aware of that, I was just hoping that it wasn't impossible to field an NS tank capable of fighting other NS tanks without stuffing it full of the latest electronics.

[Imperializt Russia]

It'll be almost entirely safe from an EMP attack in the first place, and many of its key equipment for fighting can't be "jammed" per se.
Thermal sensors, laser guidance and ranging, even MMW emitters.
They can all be spoofed and otherwise messed with, but not rendered useless.

It is strictly true that more electronics and electronic control is more to go wrong. Look at the L94 chain gun. But they bring enormous advantages over mechanical or especially hand-driven systems.
Hence why those NS tanks would have an edge, if not the upper hand, over your vehicles.

It comes down to how much you want to throw out and what you want to live on.

[Yes Im Biop]

What do Millameter waves do?

[Imperializt Russia]

What do Millameter waves do?

MMW is basically radar for ground vehicles.

In theory, you could even use it to locate infantry AT teams, as well as finding enemy tanks or as part of the active protection system.

[The Nuclear Fist]

It'll be almost entirely safe from an EMP attack in the first place, and many of its key equipment for fighting can't be "jammed" per se.
Thermal sensors, laser guidance and ranging, even MMW emitters.
They can all be spoofed and otherwise messed with, but not rendered useless.

It is strictly true that more electronics and electronic control is more to go wrong. Look at the L94 chain gun. But they bring enormous advantages over mechanical or especially hand-driven systems.
Hence why those NS tanks would have an edge, if not the upper hand, over your vehicles.

It comes down to how much you want to throw out and what you want to live on.

Well yes, I know that on some level I was going to have to include electronics, even I could figure out I couldn't have a tank without any systems.

I just wanted to see how many of the latest and greatest electronic systems I could leave out while still being able to go toe-to-toe with most NS tanks.

I figured I'd need to compensate by adding on more armour, which would make the tank much heavier.

Hmm, maybe I really am out of my depth here.

[Ea90]

It'll be almost entirely safe from an EMP attack in the first place, and many of its key equipment for fighting can't be "jammed" per se.
Thermal sensors, laser guidance and ranging, even MMW emitters.
They can all be spoofed and otherwise messed with, but not rendered useless.

It is strictly true that more electronics and electronic control is more to go wrong. Look at the L94 chain gun. But they bring enormous advantages over mechanical or especially hand-driven systems.
Hence why those NS tanks would have an edge, if not the upper hand, over your vehicles.

It comes down to how much you want to throw out and what you want to live on.

Well yes, I know that on some level I was going to have to include electronics, even I could figure out I couldn't have a tank without any systems.

I just wanted to see how many of the latest and greatest electronic systems I could leave out while still being able to go toe-to-toe with most NS tanks.

I figured I'd need to compensate by adding on more armour, which would make the tank much heavier.

Hmm, maybe I really am out of my depth here.

I have similar requirements for a tank I'm possibly going to design, so I guess we could do a joint project if you're interested?

[Horizont]

I want to have some sort of 'ablative armor' for my tanks- I want it to be cheap to produce and the idea is that it will be supplied to troops at the front, who should be able to fit it onto their tanks with ease. It'll be layered on top of other armor and come in the form of plates. It should be able to effectively stop incoming projectiles and the idea is it gets destroyed in the process.

What material would be best to make this out of? Apparently ablative armor is distinct from reactive armor.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I have similar requirements for a tank I'm possibly going to design, so I guess we could do a joint project if you're interested?

Why yes actually, I'm very interested.

[Ea90]

I have similar requirements for a tank I'm possibly going to design, so I guess we could do a joint project if you're interested?

Why yes actually, I'm very interested.

Cool.
We can continue discussions etc. by TG.

[Imperializt Russia]

I want to have some sort of 'ablative armor' for my tanks- I want it to be cheap to produce and the idea is that it will be supplied to troops at the front, who should be able to fit it onto their tanks with ease. It'll be layered on top of other armor and come in the form of plates. It should be able to effectively stop incoming projectiles and the idea is it gets destroyed in the process.

What material would be best to make this out of? Apparently ablative armor is distinct from reactive armor.

It's probably worth noting that the wiki article consists entirely of fictional uses and also some aerospace uses.

Seriously though, for tanks, your best use will probably be ERA.
The basic concept between "ablative" armour in fiction and ERA is the same, they just have different mechanisms.

[Horizont]

It's probably worth noting that the wiki article consists entirely of fictional uses and also some aerospace uses.

Seriously though, for tanks, your best use will probably be ERA.
The basic concept between "ablative" armour in fiction and ERA is the same, they just have different mechanisms.

Alright. Makes sense.

Also, is Electric Reactive Armor better than Explosive? Since I'm transitioning to the PMT era and have the tech to build it, I was considering fitting all tanks with the former by default and then having the latter applied in the field like I described.

[Imperializt Russia]

You'd probably need an extraordinary power supply to run at all times, just to run to the armour.
ERA is passive and therefore simpler and cheaper.

[Questers]

NS-worthy?
You start by jamming it full of electronic equipment.

Commie tanks had fewer electronics because their computing in the Cold War was not advanced as the West, amongst other reasons.

I'm aware of that, I was just hoping that it wasn't impossible to field an NS tank capable of fighting other NS tanks without stuffing it full of the latest electronics.

cough

[The Nuclear Fist]

I'm aware of that, I was just hoping that it wasn't impossible to field an NS tank capable of fighting other NS tanks without stuffing it full of the latest electronics.

cough

What?