NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #5

[Imperializt Russia]

I don't like the idea of stealth anything operating as far forward as attack helicopters due, and there's little point in radar stealth when you're flying nape-of-the-earth at relatively low speeds.

Is look-down-shoot-down radar not a thing?

Being physically amongst the ground clutter probably helps.
Unless it doesn't in which case it won't.

Well, an industrial society is where 99% of humans live so I guess we can just ignore the mass genocide. Nbd, humans are already planning it anyway.

A proper Strossian singularity would decide it needs coconuts more than a few cavemen pretty quickly.

I can't help but find the idea of an omnipotent AI launching a military campaign to secure coconuts hilarious.

[The Akasha Colony]

So bad or good weather for a strategic-sized air operation?

And random thought:

Say a company of my men runs into another enemy force, estimated to be company level. They control an area we need to pass, and because its also a convoy lane we've been given the order to secure it and not bypass. They enemy holds the high ground on the right side of the road, which is also a wooded patch.

Would it be realistic to set up your company outside the wooded high ground your enemy holds, fire WP smoke shells into the rear of the forest, have them ignite a forest fire that would force the enemy from cover? Or would once the WP evaporates the fire would not continue on its own momentum?

Starting a forest fire right near a road you need to control is a bad idea. Depending on weather conditions, the fire could take either too long to spread or spread too rapidly and spiral out of control... right next to the road you need to use.

[Firmador]

So bad or good weather for a strategic-sized air operation?

And random thought:

Say a company of my men runs into another enemy force, estimated to be company level. They control an area we need to pass, and because its also a convoy lane we've been given the order to secure it and not bypass. They enemy holds the high ground on the right side of the road, which is also a wooded patch.

Would it be realistic to set up your company outside the wooded high ground your enemy holds, fire WP smoke shells into the rear of the forest, have them ignite a forest fire that would force the enemy from cover? Or would once the WP evaporates the fire would not continue on its own momentum?

Starting a forest fire right near a road you need to control is a bad idea. Depending on weather conditions, the fire could take either too long to spread or spread too rapidly and spiral out of control... right next to the road you need to use.

So it would be a tactic reserved for more open battlefields?

[Vitaphone Racing]

Starting a forest fire right near a road you need to control is a bad idea. Depending on weather conditions, the fire could take either too long to spread or spread too rapidly and spiral out of control... right next to the road you need to use.

So it would be a tactic reserved for more open battlefields?

It's a tactic that would only work very well on maybe two days of the year and only in certain parts of certain countries. Otherwise the fire won't burn hot enough or far enough to pose any real problems.

[Vitaphone Racing]

I don't like the idea of stealth anything operating as far forward as attack helicopters due, and there's little point in radar stealth when you're flying nape-of-the-earth at relatively low speeds.

Is look-down-shoot-down radar not a thing?

I thought the top-down profile attack helicopters was the hardest part to stealth due to the rotor.

[The Akasha Colony]

So it would be a tactic reserved for more open battlefields?

It would be reserved for places you do not expect to have to deploy your troops for a while so that if it goes out of control, it won't affect your troops or your timetable. Like enemy cities and vast tracts of jungle you want to clear out, so that by the time you do arrive, the fire will have been extinguished.

[Rich and Corporations]

Galla, sometimes I think you only think in 2D :<

I think in 4D. black white hot cold

AIs are just 2D.

On or off.

No, that's 0D.

[Triplebaconation]

Does anyone know the difference in NATO terminology between Special Forces and Special Operations Forces? It seems APP-6A differentiates between them.

APP-6A differentiates between everything.



The truth is out there.

[Kouralia]

Does anyone know the difference in NATO terminology between Special Forces and Special Operations Forces? It seems APP-6A differentiates between them.

APP-6A differentiates between everything.



The truth is out there.

Okay... So that's an Unknown, Air/Space Forces... I got nothing.

Someone made the NATO symbol for an alien space ship?

[Gallia-]

My favourite.

APP-6A differentiates between everything.



The truth is out there.

Okay... So that's an Unknown, Air/Space Forces... I got nothing.

Someone made the NATO symbol for an alien space ship?

It's Unknown - Space Station

[Triplebaconation]

Better call in XCOM.

[Kouralia]

(Image)

My favourite.

Okay... So that's an Unknown, Air/Space Forces... I got nothing.

Someone made the NATO symbol for an alien space ship?

It's Unknown - Space Station

Oh, cool. Is there a website which has the full collection of symbols on it, as Wiki is lacking in some regards.

[Gallia-]

Prepare the nuclear powered ballistic missile subterrene, General:



We'll breach their missile silos and take them over if we have to.

(Image)

My favourite.



It's Unknown - Space Station

Oh, cool. Is there a website which has the full collection of symbols on it, as Wiki is lacking in some regards.

No.

[Oaledonia]

[Gallia-]

That's really :Interbellum:.

[Oaledonia]

That's really :Interbellum:.

Excuse me? They remove tanks, and they try their hardest ;-;

[Gallia-]

:Interbellum: is never wrong or bad.

[Kouralia]

No.

;-;

[Triplebaconation]

Perhaps a list of symbols could be shared...for the right price.

[Gallia-]

cash

moneyz

[Kouralia]

Found it anyway.

[Gallia-]

The NATO version is actually less extensive.

[Velkanika]

Alrighty, thank you. I always thought bad weather would obstruct

Bad weather will degrade radar and IR to some extent, plus at the low altitudes you'd expect for an airfield attack vision and hearing are still important. The chances of encountering defending patrols is smaller.

Historically bad weather has been preferred for low-level attacks - even before the proliferation of very expensive all-weather navigation and targeting aids, which would seem to be wasted if only used on clear nights.

You do not want to fly below 2,000 feet above ground level in bad weather, it's extremely dangerous at best and probably suicidal. Between microbursts, ridiculously bad turbulence, and the general lack of visibility you better have one hell of a pilot if you plan on sending an aircraft toting a bomb load through that.

So bad or good weather for a strategic-sized air operation?

It could be useful to achieve tactical surprise at serious risk of death if a pilot has to fly through much more then a light rain storm while simultaneously trying not to catch a SAM.

[Kouralia]

The NATO version is actually less extensive.

This seems to be quite extensive. I'm down to page 245: 'Leisure Craft', 'Law Enforcement Vessel' and the like.

[Gallia-]

It's abridged. The actual version is 1,200 pages.

Bad weather will degrade radar and IR to some extent, plus at the low altitudes you'd expect for an airfield attack vision and hearing are still important. The chances of encountering defending patrols is smaller.

Historically bad weather has been preferred for low-level attacks - even before the proliferation of very expensive all-weather navigation and targeting aids, which would seem to be wasted if only used on clear nights.

You do not want to fly below 2,000 feet above ground level in bad weather, it's extremely dangerous at best and probably suicidal. Between microbursts, ridiculously bad turbulence, and the general lack of visibility you better have one hell of a pilot if you plan on sending an aircraft toting a bomb load through that.

So bad or good weather for a strategic-sized air operation?

It could be useful to achieve tactical surprise at serious risk of death if a pilot has to fly through much more then a light rain storm while simultaneously trying not to catch a SAM.

Good thing military pilots are trained to fly in bad weather and at low altitude, I guess.