NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #5

[Freihafen]

Would it be optimal to take out enemy airfields en masse during clear weather or during poor weather where you'd have more natural coverage?

Just lob a cruise missile with submunitions warhead at each of them and be done with it.

Craters the runways and fucks over exposed aircraft.

[Zeinbrad]

Would it be optimal to take out enemy airfields en masse during clear weather or during poor weather where you'd have more natural coverage?

Just lob a cruise missile with submunitions warhead at each of them and be done with it.

Craters the runways and fucks over exposed aircraft.

Or do it in style with a SAS jeep.

Still wondering what jeep I should base the jeeps on.

[Inyourfaceistan]

You could always use a tactical nuke!

Or SAS jeeps.

That too, but then you run the risk of getting said jeeps blown up by MG fire and attack helicopters giving pursuit.

It was also an inside joke.

[Zeinbrad]

Or SAS jeeps.

That too, but then you run the risk of getting said jeeps blown up by MG fire and attack helicopters giving pursuit.

It was also an inside joke.

MG fire= I assume uparmoring would be good.

Helos= Carry lots and lots of MANPADs, or just do what I did and put a AA gun on one of the jeeps.

[Firmador]

Would it be optimal to take out enemy airfields en masse during clear weather or during poor weather where you'd have more natural coverage?

Just lob a cruise missile with submunitions warhead at each of them and be done with it.

Craters the runways and fucks over exposed aircraft.

Well I was going with with a tandem approach on that, pretty strong defenses so a lone cruise strike would probably get knocked out.

[United States of PA]

Fire more missiles. Aim some at defenses and others at the Runway/Support facilities.

[Inyourfaceistan]

That too, but then you run the risk of getting said jeeps blown up by MG fire and attack helicopters giving pursuit.

It was also an inside joke.

MG fire= I assume uparmoring would be good.

Helos= Carry lots and lots of MANPADs, or just do what I did and put a AA gun on one of the jeeps.

Granted, it would take time for the helicopters to lift off before they become a threat, and assuming you dont get detected you could shoot them up first.

However, if the enemy detects you, a single AA gun on a jeep wont save you from a single Vihkr or Hellfire missile...

Just lob a cruise missile with submunitions warhead at each of them and be done with it.

Craters the runways and fucks over exposed aircraft.

Well I was going with with a tandem approach on that, pretty strong defenses so a lone cruise strike would probably get knocked out.

Saturation attack.
Lob like 10 - 16. That outta do it.

If not then it will at least weaken them up, so they will have a harder time defending against the next volley and/or incoming airstrikes.

[Firmador]

Fire more missiles. Aim some at defenses and others at the Runway/Support facilities.

Certaintly, but I'm trying to hit 30 separate targets increasingly deeper inside enemy territory. Just wouldn't expect even a swarm to get threw

[Inyourfaceistan]

Fire more missiles. Aim some at defenses and others at the Runway/Support facilities.

Certaintly, but I'm trying to hit 30 separate targets increasingly deeper inside enemy territory. Just wouldn't expect even a swarm to get threw

If cruise missiles or tactical ballistic missiles wont get through then I doubt manned aircraft will fare much better in most cases...

[Firmador]

But anyways, so would it be better to operate against enemy airbases during good or bad weather?

[Oaledonia]

How would a government military react to a Swedish Rhapsody numbers station? Would it ignore it and dismiss it as nothing? I was thinking of using these to spoof anti-spy operations.

[Gvozdevsk]

So I decided that the commandos SAS jeeps are split into three different jeeps with different goals.

There is one armed with two 106mm recoilless rifles for AT combat, with one 7mm machine gun.

Another has a AA gun to shoot down helicopters and take out light vehicles.

The other is just a mixture of 12.7mm and 7mm machine guns.

Know any jeeps I should base these on?

Land Rover Defender

[The Kievan People]

How would a government military react to a Swedish Rhapsody numbers station? Would it ignore it and dismiss it as nothing? I was thinking of using these to spoof anti-spy operations.

Unless they had some other intelligence to indicate it was directed at agents inside their country, they would probably ignore it.

[Oaledonia]

How would a government military react to a Swedish Rhapsody numbers station? Would it ignore it and dismiss it as nothing? I was thinking of using these to spoof anti-spy operations.

Unless they had some other intelligence to indicate it was directed at agents inside their country, they would probably ignore it.

I wonder how hard I would have to dis-inform a nation to buy that.

[Triplebaconation]

So I decided that the commandos SAS jeeps are split into three different jeeps with different goals.

There is one armed with two 106mm recoilless rifles for AT combat, with one 7mm machine gun.

Another has a AA gun to shoot down helicopters and take out light vehicles.

The other is just a mixture of 12.7mm and 7mm machine guns.

Know any jeeps I should base these on?

Land Rover Defender

This is turning into the most boring future ever.

[The Kievan People]

IRL you would probably use something like a known foreign agent in your country (either double or simply unwitting) or a communication channel you know to be compromised to plant the fake information.

[Velkanika]

But anyways, so would it be better to operate against enemy airbases during good or bad weather?

That depends entirely on if you get an advantage by flying in bad weather that outweighs the risks. It's too vague to answer realistically, but I wouldn't want to fly a low-level strike mission against an airfield in bad weather. At night is one thing, in a wind or rain storm is something else entirely.

[Firmador]

But anyways, so would it be better to operate against enemy airbases during good or bad weather?

That depends entirely on if you get an advantage by flying in bad weather that outweighs the risks. It's too vague to answer realistically, but I wouldn't want to fly a low-level strike mission against an airfield in bad weather. At night is one thing, in a wind or rain storm is something else entirely.

Well it would be to knock out all of their airfields in a given theatre. I thought it might be better to run such an operation during bad weather, because it would decrease detection range and their reaction time (a simultaneous mass air strike with cruise missiles falling or being launched at the furthest most airbases once the first squadron is detected) but it would be against a top-notch air force.

[Velkanika]

That depends entirely on if you get an advantage by flying in bad weather that outweighs the risks. It's too vague to answer realistically, but I wouldn't want to fly a low-level strike mission against an airfield in bad weather. At night is one thing, in a wind or rain storm is something else entirely.

Well it would be to knock out all of their airfields in a given theatre. I thought it might be better to run such an operation during bad weather, because it would decrease detection range and their reaction time (a simultaneous mass air strike with cruise missiles falling or being launched at the furthest most airbases once the first squadron is detected) but it would be against a top-notch air force.

Yea, that'll just get pilots killed for no reason. Any air force worthy of the name will see you coming in even terrible weather, as radar usually doesn't give a fuck if it's raining or not.

[Mozria]

Is the fume ejection into the crew compartment during the 2A46M's firing cycle an issue with most other autoloaders? If so, how are the fumes ventilated out of the cabin air?

[Firmador]

Well it would be to knock out all of their airfields in a given theatre. I thought it might be better to run such an operation during bad weather, because it would decrease detection range and their reaction time (a simultaneous mass air strike with cruise missiles falling or being launched at the furthest most airbases once the first squadron is detected) but it would be against a top-notch air force.

Yea, that'll just get pilots killed for no reason. Any air force worthy of the name will see you coming in even terrible weather, as radar usually doesn't give a fuck if it's raining or not.

Alrighty, thank you. I always thought bad weather would obstruct

[Krazakistan]

Would it be feasible to develop a Durandal-style warhead for a 300mm rocket launcher? Basically I want an anti-runway munition for my BM-30s encase they ever get within range of a runway being used by an enemy.

[Triplebaconation]

Yea, that'll just get pilots killed for no reason. Any air force worthy of the name will see you coming in even terrible weather, as radar usually doesn't give a fuck if it's raining or not.

Alrighty, thank you. I always thought bad weather would obstruct

Bad weather will degrade radar and IR to some extent, plus at the low altitudes you'd expect for an airfield attack vision and hearing are still important. The chances of encountering defending patrols is smaller.

Historically bad weather has been preferred for low-level attacks - even before the proliferation of very expensive all-weather navigation and targeting aids, which would seem to be wasted if only used on clear nights.

[Kouralia]

Does anyone know the difference in NATO terminology between Special Forces and Special Operations Forces? It seems APP-6A differentiates between them.

[Firmador]

So bad or good weather for a strategic-sized air operation?

And random thought:

Say a company of my men runs into another enemy force, estimated to be company level. They control an area we need to pass, and because its also a convoy lane we've been given the order to secure it and not bypass. They enemy holds the high ground on the right side of the road, which is also a wooded patch.

Would it be realistic to set up your company outside the wooded high ground your enemy holds, fire WP smoke shells into the rear of the forest, have them ignite a forest fire that would force the enemy from cover? Or would once the WP evaporates the fire would not continue on its own momentum?