NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #5

[The Kievan People]

Really, nobody cares about cost/kill once the shooting starts.

The rockets and threat of rockets gave militants leverage over Israel. They can use them to bait Israel into a (expensive) ground conflict that will cause the international community to pressure Israel to reach a settlement. Iron Dome removes most of that leverage. Israel can now engage on its own terms.

[Kosakkistan]

So, don't know if this is the right place but;

The Russians have independent brigades, what's the idea behind them? And why does Russia have a shitload of interior agencies?

[Horizont]

And why does Russia have a shitload of interior agencies?

Because they're trying to one-up the NKVD, that's why.

[Oaledonia]

Fuck the B1 Lancer. All pros use B-58s

[Horizont]

Fuck the B1 Lancer. All pros use B-58s

This looks comfortable

[Oaledonia]

Fuck the B1 Lancer. All pros use B-58s

This looks comfortable

Jealous

[Horizont]

This looks comfortable

Jealous

B-1 looks cool.

Not as cool as the B-2 though. Flying wings FTW.

[Imperializt Russia]

So, don't know if this is the right place but;

The Russians have independent brigades, what's the idea behind them? And why does Russia have a shitload of interior agencies?

Same as nearly any independent brigade model. Giving a lot of flexibility. Russia's moving towards the brigade/regiment system anyway, so all of their regiments will become independent.

I, as some weird continuation of Russia, have independent SSM brigades lying around all over the place to bolster Divisional firepower.

[Doppio Giudici]

Would it be productive to convert T-55s to TR-85s and so on if a country was poor, but had a lot of random soviet tanks lying around?

[Imperializt Russia]

Would it be productive to convert T-55s to TR-85s and so on if a country was poor, but had a lot of random soviet tanks lying around?

The TR-85 is a significant departure from the T-55, but I guess that any competitive upgrade package for the T-55 today would be too. The TR-85 looks seriously way left field though. The TR-85M1 would only make sense if you were in an alliance with NATO-spec states, since the TR-85 is pretty much a NATO (or certainly western) take on the Romanian T-55. Though the M1 model does look awesome, 100mm gun aside.

It would depend.

I personally don't understand why, since the Romanians must have dumped so much money into producing these TR-85s and then the m1 variant, they must have been able to upgrade, even to something along the lines of the T-72 or a Leopard 1.

[Crookfur]

Fuck the B1 Lancer. All pros use B-58s

proper canberras uber alles

Canberra B2 best B2 due to navigator-bombadiers getting stuck and thier oxygen and coms lines tangled in the tunnel between thier navigation and bomb aimign stations and having to be pulled from the tunnel by the copilot.

[San-Silvacian]

Fuck the B1 Lancer. All pros use B-58s

proper canberras uber alles

Canberra B2 best B2 due to navigator-bombadiers getting stuck and thier oxygen and coms lines tangled in the tunnel between thier navigation and bomb aimign stations and having to be pulled from the tunnel by the copilot.

Canberra pwns commies

[Doppio Giudici]

Would it be productive to convert T-55s to TR-85s and so on if a country was poor, but had a lot of random soviet tanks lying around?

The TR-85 is a significant departure from the T-55, but I guess that any competitive upgrade package for the T-55 today would be too. The TR-85 looks seriously way left field though. The TR-85M1 would only make sense if you were in an alliance with NATO-spec states, since the TR-85 is pretty much a NATO (or certainly western) take on the Romanian T-55. Though the M1 model does look awesome, 100mm gun aside.

It would depend.

I personally don't understand why, since the Romanians must have dumped so much money into producing these TR-85s and then the m1 variant, they must have been able to upgrade, even to something along the lines of the T-72 or a Leopard 1.

What about the PT-91? It's based off the cheapo T-72 Monkey Models so it should be affordable.

[Imperializt Russia]

The PT-91 is actually a quite capable T-72 upgrade package.
It's also used by some southeast Asian state though I can't recall who.

[The Akasha Colony]

The PT-91 is actually a quite capable T-72 upgrade package.
It's also used by some southeast Asian state though I can't recall who.

Malaysia.

[Doppio Giudici]

The PT-91 is actually a quite capable T-72 upgrade package.
It's also used by some southeast Asian state though I can't recall who.

Well that sorts out my allies more or less, all that is left is to figure out how much a threat the average NS army would be.

At the moment I'm trying to figure out if an old design I made even makes sense now, so now I have to ask...Would an engine anything like the one in the Leopard 2 fit in a T-84?

[Imperializt Russia]

The PT-91 is actually a quite capable T-72 upgrade package.
It's also used by some southeast Asian state though I can't recall who.

Well that sorts out my allies more or less, all that is left is to figure out how much a threat the average NS army would be.

At the moment I'm trying to figure out if an old design I made even makes sense now, so now I have to ask...Would an engine anything like the one in the Leopard 2 fit in a T-84?

Possibly, all sorts of tanks are looking into upgrading to the new Euro Powerpack.

[Krazeria]

I was playing some open transport tycoon (because its amazing) and it got me thinking about engines: whats the biggest engine that you could possibly fit to a mbt, regardless of practicality

[The Corparation]

Fuck the B1 Lancer. All pros use B-58s

Bitch FB-111 or GTFO.

[Doppio Giudici]

Well that sorts out my allies more or less, all that is left is to figure out how much a threat the average NS army would be.

At the moment I'm trying to figure out if an old design I made even makes sense now, so now I have to ask...Would an engine anything like the one in the Leopard 2 fit in a T-84?

Possibly, all sorts of tanks are looking into upgrading to the new Euro Powerpack.

Oh and one more thing...It would seem that people try to use ERA to update armor, but I wonder if it would be possible to just use DU inserts or mounted DU plates.

[Imperializt Russia]

ERA will be much cheaper, simpler and possibly more generally effective.

[San-Silvacian]

do both and make gud armur

[Ea90]

do both and make gud armur

Appliqué DU sounds like a very bad idea.

[The Kievan People]

Nobody even knows how exactly DU is used in tank armor...

[Riysa]

Yup, get it - I've been mining it for how to organize my force. Its got a lot of information taken from Soviet manuals and other items captured in Afghanistan, so its probably a better look at the Soviet structure than a US or NATO manual. Plus, I can say that its definitely not biased.

While it has been awhile since I read it, there is nothing in Airland Battle Tactics which really contradicts the Field Manuals.

The FM 100-2 series provides a very straight forward overview of the Soviet Army and SOP. It doesn't attempt to cover debates on doctrine which occurred within the USSR, it doesn't attempt to forecast future developments and doesn't attempt to explain discrepancies between what Soviet manuals said and what the Soviet Army actually did, but all those things are beyond its remit. Read it and you'll learn how the Soviets would do it by the book.

It's not the absolute definitive English language work on the Soviet ground forces, but there isn't one. Airland Battle Tactics certainly isn't it. I am not even so sure it is the definitive English language book about the Soviet Army published in the 1980s. Personally I found "Weapons and Tactics of the Soviet Army" (1988 edition) more comprehensive. If you are looking for the Field Manuals but more in-depth, that is perhaps the first book you should look at.

To be completely honest I've never read a US field manual; I've just had bad experiences in the past with unabashedly biased sources for a variety of things and AirLand Battle does take the time to generally diss "narrow-minded thinking".

Weapons and Tactics of the Soviet Army, eh? Sounds pretty interesting, you know how much it costs by chance?